Reminder that Joe Strummer was a middle-class art school yuppie who's father was a foreign diplomat and was almost 25 when he adopted the wardrobe of the local punk teens. Here's a picture of him in 1975 with his then band: The 100's. In 1976 he played a gig with the Sex Pistols, dibanded The 100's and started The Clash. This band would then go on to make multiple songs with very clear communistic undertones. So I hate to sound like such a cliche but "Phonies" such as Joe Strummer really did destroy punk rock and turn it into the whiny left wing shitfest it is now. That's bot to say I agree with the right but I do believe punk rock was rooted in nihilism and rage rather than politics.
Also a very big fuck you to the mods for deleting that other anons perfectly fine thread that discussed this issue.
Clash are a good band though might have more to do with Mick Jones and Paul Simonon riffing than with Joe
Kevin Jenkins
Well, I like the Clash. So fuck you.
Jackson Moore
op is right that they inspired pop punk crap
Luke Hill
so you have to be worker your whole life to be communist? People can't change and become in political ideals as they age? Also punk was always political, started right with Anarchy in the U.K.
Jonathan Brown
Yeah I did, wrote this pretty fast in frustration.
I'm not going to argue whether the band was good musically but I know for damn sure that them latching onto the punk scene was the final nail in it's coffin.
Robert White
the true posers are those who denounce others as posers
how little character do you have to have
Connor Taylor
Punk was not political. It was a return to the simple chord structure, themes, and style of early rock and roll. Reminder that punk after Television is complete shit and British punk has always been terrible.
Dylan Cox
punk started before the sex pistols plus that song is about fucking shit up, not advocating for political anarchism
Ayden Perry
Punk rock in England was a very small window of time that was only really good before it had a name. By the time The Pistols hit, it was already mostly over. Everything after that was just careerists who would have been just at home in any other 50's rock and roll influenced band.
Thomas Martinez
this
it isn't political anarchism whatsoever, it's simply the dictionary definition of anarchy
Adam Powell
>fucking shit up >"not advocating for political anarchism"
Caleb Rogers
>pic is from 1976 just a few momths after my OP pic
I'm not sure what you're getting at. I don't care if the guy was a middle-class communist, I care because he poised himself as some "true working class hero" and fooled people into thinking he wasn't a total fraud. Thus making people think that punk was supposed to be overtly political. As for Anarchy in the UK see this post
Kayden Powell
lel
Logan Jackson
They where just being cunts trying to instigate shit for publicity. There's not much to any of the Sex Pistols below the surface. This is coming from a guy with a framed picture of Sid and Nancy in the living room
Christopher Ramirez
all punk is shit for whiny deadbeats, why the fuck would you willingly listen to utter tripe and try to convince yourself that you're listening to actual music. for fucks sake, the same 3 chords for 2 and a half minutes does not make a good song
Ayden James
So in other words, Punk lasted for about the same time as Brostep. Are you gonna cry that Brostep was killed by pop culture in the same way punk was? Or do you think you're a special individual because you hate punk, and don't feel the same way about the same things? If you're picking and choosing, please delete this thread.
Noah Stewart
Strummer was an embarrassment and the Clash were a terrible band. London Calling is absolutely THE most overrated album of all time.
Dylan Moore
good shit m8, my point is anarchism in music is almost always a publicity stunt as much as swastika armband would be
Angel Bell
>imagine being this upset that a left wing outfit made the best punk and arguably post punk albums Ebin
Dylan Fisher
patti smith is literally the only one who matters
Nicholas Collins
How are you enjoying lesbianism?
Oliver Wilson
What punk did was successfully level the bloated nature of rock music at the time. You had musicians experimenting with 20-minute suites without the chops to back such a product. Listen to all the Ramones album in context with music of that time period, nothing has its sense of humor and energy.
The real legacy of punk music is the explosion of different genres after the initial wave of CBGB. It showed you can develop a unique concept and give it life through hard work and endless touring. 'Punk' after that time is just cosplaying.
Chase Wilson
woah the clash are *not* post-punk stan alert
Joshua Lewis
Arguments have been made for London Calling being post punk.
Chase Sanders
if an album has 5+ pop singles I don't consider it post-punk
Carter Scott
lmao no one in punk thinks it "has" to be political the clash, mainly joe strummer chose for the band to be political. Joe strummer was always for the people, I don't think he tried to make himself out as hero to the people but more just trying to get his message across.
If you had a message to say would you try to get it across in the conventional way or would you use the new exiting music all the kids are listening to as a vehicle?
Jack Phillips
Most of the great trailblazers of genres are phonies that play on the syntax of the style that their music is centered in.
Colton Gutierrez
I agree just replace trailblazers with public figureheads
Julian Rivera
I like minutemen desu
Ethan King
good band
Jaxson Sullivan
it is post-punk but it isn't "post-punk"
The Clash were their own reggae/dub evolution of punk that happen in parallel to actual Post-Punk sucking all the lifeblood from punk
Henry Young
>British punk has always been terrible t. someone who clearly doesnt know anything about punk
Nathaniel Stewart
lets not get to hung up on this but isn't new wave better to describe 80's fusion of punk and dub with a huge pop appeal
Adrian Perez
British punk has always been inferior to American. However Machines are a great band.
Juan Jenkins
>a middle-class art school yuppie who's father was a foreign diplomat...
Wow, who the fuck cares?
Most great art (and punk for that matter) is made by middle class people with something else to fall back on.
Jason Price
New wave predates punk as term to describe punk actually.
Kayden Torres
Like I said, Joe Strummer leeched onto a movement that was created by the working class for the working class which is exactly what he is not. Acting as a man of the people despite not knowing the hardships they've been through is really disgusting in my opinion.
Jack Harris
John Lydon called Cliff Richard's Millennium Prayer the most punk thing he'd heard in years. Because it was shitty and annoying. But Cliff was doing what he wanted and ignoring anyone that said it was a shit song. The point is punk isn't a uniform or a political stance, it is about doing your own thing and not giving a fuck what people think. Punk destroys itself when it tries follow a rulebook.
Jason Lopez
u got a citation for that? not to be condescending I actually didn't know that
Kevin Moore
You're absolutely right, but nowadays "punk" rock fans absolutely hate if you have a differing opinion thanks to people like Joe Strummer who started the trend of political punk.
Brandon Bennett
The entire scene was based around playing dress-up to what guys in New York where doing. I like plenty of the British bands but you can't beat the diversity of creativity in CBGB, the Mercer Arts Center, and Saint Mark's. You had Television playing dueling, ten minute, emotional guitar solos side by side with the Dictators making silly music for young nihilists. Pattie Smith was paying practically hero worshipping the whole time while you had the Dolls getting rejected from the Theater of the Absurd and building a following from the ground up.
America never produced anything better than The Fall.
Jayden Morales
im gonna watch this rn one sec
Oliver Lopez
This post is pretty punk.
Nolan Nguyen
user nothing about this interview is accurate. Punk rock was a term used in the 60s to describe garage bands cause they were a bunch of punks if you wanna get hung up on terms and how old they are
Leo Jenkins
this is obviously a thinly-veiled fascist thread. so fuck you i would beat your fucking face in until you died.
Adam Howard
You mean England? That's a English band user
Isaiah Turner
I'm open to being proven wrong. Proofs?
Joseph Sullivan
Yeah I know. He's claiming all British punk was bad.
Carson Brooks
I just remember reading that in the liner notes of some Back to the Grave comp. Also that video didn't go into it really at all. It was 1 second of the guy from The Jam saying that. Nothing past that.
Chase Garcia
from a modern perspective new wave(tears for fears, depeche mode) is obviously distinct from punk which is a more broad label. Artists complaining about their media coverage /= academic citation
Christian Jackson
this is a transparent bitch post, you wouldn't do anything to a facist you roleplaying sissy
Brandon Garcia
can't believe paul weller actually flew the flag for fucking "new wave". to be fair he was only 18
William Hall
New wave first emerged as a rock genre in the early 1970s, used by critics including Nick Kent and Dave Marsh to classify such New York-based groups as the Velvet Underground and New York Dolls.[32] It gained currency beginning in 1976 when it appeared in UK punk fanzines such as Sniffin' Glue and newsagent music weeklies such as Melody Maker and New Musical Express.[33] In November 1976 Caroline Coon used Malcolm McLaren's term "new wave" to designate music by bands not exactly punk, but related to the same musical scene.[34] The term was also used in that sense by music journalist Charles Shaar Murray in his comments about the Boomtown Rats.[35] For a period of time in 1976 and 1977, the terms new wave and punk were somewhat interchangeable.
That's from Wikipedia. I think both terms were interchangeable but new wave predates punk rock as a term.
Joseph Rogers
I clearly said I don't agree with the right you god damn imbecile. But I'm sure this is just bait.
Grayson Evans
It doesn't though. People had been saying punk rock since the mid 60s.
Sebastian Campbell
>was almost 25 when he adopted the wardrobe of the local punk teens
the clash were awful but what does his age have to do with anything? wire were in their late 20s and early 30s when pink flag came out. i think one of the stranglers was pushing 40 at the time of their debut's release.
Kevin Sanchez
Dave Marsh was the first music critic to employ the term punk rock: In the May 1971 issue of Creem, he described ? and the Mysterians, one of the most popular 1960s garage rock acts, as giving a "landmark exposition of punk rock".[62]
Hunter Jones
the citation for the wikipedia article you're quoting (i had a feeling) clearly states punk was used before new wave. press.umich.edu/152565/are_we_not_new_wave we I'm sure both agree on the general meaning of these labels anyways
Austin Ramirez
fuck you cunt i would slam your face into the pavement while the fascist friend you suck the dick of lay dead on it >i don't agree with right >FUCK COMMIES you're center right kid aka fascist
Mason Robinson
Yup, definitely bait.
James Smith
The guy was obviously cashing in on a new trend even though he was significantly older than most of his peers.
Zachary Adams
Blah blah blah. He wrote Complete Control, the man's a god.
Easton Ramirez
I get that he didn't fit the "image" they were going for but man they really messed up by letting Glen go.
>Anonymous 07/21/17(Fri)18:31:40 No.74075371 ▶ > >who gives a shit bump
Eli Ward
>Wire >The Stranglers
Both of those were highly literate street-level art rock bands who were just emboldened by punk to make their own music despite their lack of technical know-how. Conceptually and thematically they had next to nothing in common with the cartoon anarchism of the Sex Pistols or the rich-kid leftist posturing of The Clash. When I listen to Chairs Missing or Black And White I'm reminded much more of Lou Reed's solo output or Roxy Music than I am of either of the aforementioned bands.
Ska is gay, Reggae is gay You're fucking gay and you're not punk You say you hate corporations, but you were on NBC London’s calling and they're calling you gay
[Chorus:] Rancid sucks, Rancid sucks, Rancid sucks, and The Clash sucked too [x2]
If Kenny G had a Mohawk, he wouldn't be punk If Yanni had dumb tattoos, he wouldn't be punk If Garth Brooks pierced his nose, he wouldn't be punk If Liberace sounded like The Clash, he wouldn't be punk
[Chorus]
You're gay, you suck [x6] And The Clash sucked too
Cooper Harris
What did he mean by this?
Isaiah Hill
v edgy
Joseph Kelly
>not respecting AxCx
Tyler Harris
who gives a shit abt if it fits a label!
Ryan Cooper
>grindcore
lol
Cooper Reyes
>anal cunt isnt genius you're stupid
Cameron Adams
>grindcore
t. guy who went to art school and wears a beret
Bentley Lee
I've never seen this. Were they performing on a tv show or something?
Michael Morales
Sup Forums is 18+
Daniel Davis
genre labels are gay
Cooper Torres
>Pattie Smith was paying practically hero worshipping the whole time
is this even anglish?
out of curiousity where do you place Lou Reed relative to the NY Punk scene?
Angel Johnson
anal cunt is older than Sup Forums and you, you worthless stain
Ayden Turner
it's okay to be angry, puberty is a tumultuous time
Isaiah Martinez
Are The Adverts the most underrated punk band of all time?
The Adverts were mediocre and the only reason they received any attention in the first place was because the girl was highly fuckable and posed for porno mags. The Damned are the most underrrated of the original UK punk bands. Damned Damned Damned, Machinegun Etiquette, The Black Album and Strawberries are masterpieces which eclipse anything done by any of the other early UK bands.
Dylan Gomez
Not him but I'd say Lou Reed probably influenced people to experiment a bit but he did say he didn't like being considered someone who influenced punk rock. Even though there's a recording of him enjoying the Ramones.
Joshua Powell
Always thought it was funny how Jay Reatard recorded most of Blood Visions before hearing this band and it sounds a lot like them so he threw cover of theirs on it
Colton Jackson
The Damned are one of the most highly rated UK punk bands ever
Bentley Nguyen
Bullshit, people are always praising The Damned despite The Adverts lyricism making them look like child's play. Too bad their second record went for a completely different sound though.
