>Saved the works of Aristotle and shaped modern European philosophy >Created arabic numerals we use to day as well as algebra and the concept of algorithms >Created geometry >Created trigonometry and the law of sines >Discovered the basics of calculus >Created the scientific method >Discovered and named most stars as well as the Andromeda Galaxy >Discovered the Earth was round >Refined our understanding of the cardiovascular and nervous systems >Discovered the difference between smallpox and measles >Created some of the first medical encyclopedias >Created the worlds first colleges that granted degrees >Countless contributions to art and architecture
>implying greeks weren't buttfucking underage boys
Wyatt Morgan
A lot of those claims are questionable OP.
But it doesn't matter, because the Arab world of today is not the same, just like Greece and Italy isn't the same as it was 2000 years ago.
Are you saying one should accept the murder of homosexuals and the stoning of women, and the general subjugation of Islam in the Middle-East simply because 1000 years ago they had a more open and scientifically minded culture?
Julian Phillips
>Are you saying one should accept the murder of homosexuals and the stoning of women, and the general subjugation of Islam in the Middle-East simply because 1000 years ago they had a more open and scientifically minded culture?
Are you implying all arabs are exactly the same?
Jason Rogers
Roman does not mean "Arab".
Roman does not mean "non-White".
The Roman empire had technology that is still being rediscovered to this day.
Nicholas Wright
>remind me why you hate Arabs
Because of their acceptance of Islam as the one true religion.
Jaxon Sanchez
and norway isnt a shit country?
Christopher Green
>Are you implying all arabs are exactly the same?
No? Arabs are people just like anyone else, it's their totalitarian religion that's the problem.
What's your point?
Jacob Jenkins
can you gib eggzamples ?
Zachary Howard
>No? Arabs are people just like anyone else, it's their totalitarian religion that's the problem. >What's your point?
My point is that arabs have done way more for society than most. And what would you know about religion? All yours did was get shit on by christians
Jordan Howard
>>Saved the works of Aristotle True.
>>and shaped modern European philosophy Misleading. They shaped European philosophy in earlier times, which went on to shape modern European philosophy.
>>Created arabic numerals we use to day as well as algebra True
>>and the concept of algorithms I'll be honest, I don't know if this is true or not.
>>Created geometry Horseshit, the ancient Greeks were doing geometry.
>>Created trigonometry and the law of sines Greeks.
>>Discovered the basics of calculus Calculus was developed by Issac Newton.
>>Created the scientific method That was a Franciscan Monk.
>>Discovered and named most stars as well as the Andromeda Galaxy Many cultures did astronomy independently, they're not special for this, and we get our names for most of the old stuff from the Greeks.
>>Discovered the Earth was round Most people new that the Earth was round. The ancient Greeks had a rough approximation of its size, and they were pretty close.
>>Refined our understanding of the cardiovascular and nervous systems >>Discovered the difference between smallpox and measles >>Created some of the first medical encyclopedias Don't know about this.
>>Created the worlds first colleges that granted degrees Debatable.
>>Countless contributions to art and architecture Many people did this.
Landon Cooper
If all your technological and social achievements are more than a millennia old you just might be a Arab.
Gavin Jenkins
>My point is that arabs have done way more for society than most
No they haven't. A brief period of scientific endeavor of 100 years, 1000 years ago, isn't "done way more for society than most".
Besides, most of the living Arabs today probably don't even know who Aristotle was, what the scientific method is, or any of the other things you mentioned.
Mason Diaz
I know this is bait, but I'm hungry for a bite right now >>Saved the works of Aristotle and shaped modern European philosophy And burned down the great library of Alexandria in the meanwhile >>Created arabic numerals we use to day as well as algebra and the concept of algorithms Positional system is due to Indians, Arabs only adapted them. Not sure on the other two >>Created geometry Mesopotamians and ancient Egyptians explored geometry way before them, and ancient Greeks defined it definitively >>Created trigonometry and the law of sines See above >>Discovered the basics of calculus No. One Arab guy once used a method that by accident was similar to integration, but only for a particular situation. Basis of calculus is only due to Cavalieri, Descartes, Leibniz and Newton >>Created the scientific method Again, no. >>Discovered and named most stars as well as the Andromeda Galaxy Okay >>Discovered the Earth was round Ancient Greeks knew the Earth was round, and a Greek mathematician calculated the Earth's circumference way before Christ >>Refined our understanding of the cardiovascular and nervous systems I have no knowledge of that, please enlighten me >>Discovered the difference between smallpox and measles See above >>Created some of the first medical encyclopedias Many ancient people did before them >>Created the worlds first colleges that granted degrees And closed them down after the traditionalists seized power against the 'Ilmi >>Countless contributions to art and architecture Not as much as other people
Jaxon Diaz
it's the smell
Leo Butler
OP BTFO
Ethan Rodriguez
>Persians have done way more for society than most ftfy
Evan Bennett
>>Saved the works of Aristotle and shaped modern European philosophy bullshit, noone destroyed the original >>Created arabic numerals we use to day as well as algebra and the concept of algorithms those numbers were created by the pooinloos >>Created geometry bullshit, greeks had already done that >>Created trigonometry and the law of sines ok, true >>Discovered the basics of calculus bullshit >>Created the scientific method double bullshit >>Discovered and named most stars as well as the Andromeda Galaxy name OK, but they didnt discover stars, they didnt have telescopes, or you think they just squinted really hard? >>Discovered the Earth was round flase, greeks did >>Refined our understanding of the cardiovascular and nervous systems by stabbing each other >>Discovered the difference between smallpox and measles and cured none >>Created some of the first medical encyclopedias greeks again >>Created the worlds first colleges that granted degrees again >>Countless contributions to art and architecture and destroyed countless more
Dominic Cruz
>>>and the concept of algorithms >I'll be honest, I don't know if this is true or not.
Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, same guy that created algebra
>>>Created geometry >Horseshit, the ancient Greeks were doing geometry.
>>>Created trigonometry and the law of sines >Greeks.
Al-Jayyani
>>>Discovered the basics of calculus >Calculus was developed by Issac Newton.
Isaac Newton is only given credit because muh eurocentrism
>>>Created the scientific method >That was a Franciscan Monk.
Alhazen aka the worlds first true scientist
Joshua Adams
>Isaac Newton is only given credit because muh eurocentrism
ABANDON THREAD
I REPEAT ABANDON THREAD
Joshua Bennett
>>remind me why you hate Arabs
shit culture with shit people from a shit hole. bombing of kabba = BEST DAY OF MY LIFE
Austin Reed
>saved the works of Aristotle and blah blah blah we wuz bullshit
Actually it was the Byzantine empire that did that, and when they fell in 1453, the scholars fled west from the mudshits and were the catalyst that started the renassiance, which cemented European dominance for several hundred years.
I'm not even going to bother with the rest since this is just a shitpost anyway, I just love debunking that myth every time I see it.
Aaron Fisher
Ancient Egyptians worked with geometry before Greeks
Giza nigger
also arabs pushed trig so much farther than the greeks
they also perfected the greeks works
ibn kaldun created what can be considered the greatest medical textbook ever "The Canon of Medicine"
Egypt has the world oldest college
The point is, every race has a golden age
For whites it was ancient to late antiquity
for arabs it was the middle ages to renaissance
for asians it was ancient thru middle ages
for poo in loos it was late antiquity and ancient
but not niggers
Ian Reyes
>Actually it was the Byzantine empire that did that, and when they fell in 1453, the scholars fled west from the mudshits and were the catalyst that started the renassiance, which cemented European dominance for several hundred years.
Avicenna and Averroes say hi
Camden Allen
>shit you learned from Sup Forums and you never actually looked up on
Hudson Wood
my bad it was ibn sina not kaldun
Ethan Adams
>Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi That's a Persian name, not Arab. That's not advancing your point. >news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6389157.stm They still came after the Ancient Greeks, who arguably invented Geometry as we know it >Al-Jayyani He didn't invent trigonometry >Isaac Newton is only given credit because muh eurocentrism How is that an argument? The process that brought to the development of calculus, while not initiated by Newton, was not initiated by Arabs either. It's an entirely European discovery >Alhazen aka the worlds first true scientist Says you
Daniel Clark
>Refined our understanding of the cardiovascular and nervous systems
This is bullshit. It was quite a common past time for surgical enthusiasts in Rome's heyday to examine both living and dead bodies. The mapping of the cardiovascular system and initial nervous system research was done by bored patricians who may or may not have been sadists.
Not to mention Romans/Greeks identifying germs and the spread of disease through lack of cleanliness. They might not have been able to see bacteria under a microscope but knew of the perils of not washing ones hands and keeping wounds clean and covered to stop infection.
Roman medicine in Marcus Aurelius's day was more advanced than the medicine practised by "doctors" anywhere else in the world up until the 19th century simply because they understood and took the effort to combat infection and the spread of disease with sanitation.
Something as simple as washing your hands before tending a wound so the patient didn't die of septicaemia and other complications days later is why you were better off dying the in the field than being treated by doctors in the US civil war only 150 years ago.
Julian Martin
>listing questionable things that happened hundreds of years ago >bring us nothing but terrorism and child rape in modern times
Carson Campbell
Secular Arabs are decent Fuck muzzies
Luke Evans
>Ancient Egyptians And what do them have to do with Arabs? Ancient Egyptian achievements are NOT Arab achievements by any means >arabs pushed trig so much farther than the greeks And Europeans pushed it even further than Arabs, what's your point?
William Perez
I already knew that before coming to Sup Forums, you burger cuck
Isaiah Nelson
ITT:
Butt hurt edgy white people who can't accept the fact they they went through a dark age and arabs aka their worst enemy for the past 1300 years actually helped them and invented stuff that they still use today
Jace Williams
>Ancient Egyptians worked with geometry before Greeks Not Arabs. I never said greeks invented it, only that they were doing it before the Arabs, which means that the Arabs can't have invented it.
>pushed trig Not the claim
>perfected greek works Never claimed in OP
>news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6389157.stm >Islam had advanced geometry in their art Doesn't mean Arabs invented geometry. There's a reason the Pythagorean Theorem is called the Pythagorean Theorem.
>Isaac Newton is only given credit because muh eurocentrism Who did it then?
>Alhazen aka the worlds first true scientist There is no reasonable definition for scientist which makes him the first scientist, and him being a scientist doesn't mean he invented the scientific method. The scientific method was developed far later.
Kayden Garcia
>It's an entirely European discovery no it isnt calculus was first found in europe and just like greeks contributed to calculus , chinese and indians did explore calculus too . also alhazan sure wasnt the first "true scientist" but he did achieve alot in different fields including calculus and he was an arab en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhazen
Aiden Gonzalez
Multiple people saved the works at different times. The different cultures took turns acting retarded about pagan writings, and when they were doing that the other guys would save them and make copies. I'm happy to give OP that, but he's still got a lot of bullshit in there.
Zachary Ortiz
i love arabs, but as far as passing on knowledge to (western) european, the true heroes are the byzantines. they preserved it.
Jaxson Richardson
>drop your phone in the Sahara desert >camel jockey finds it
SEE ARABS WERE ADVANCED QUICK IMPORT MORE OF THEM
Ian Rodriguez
>He didn't invent trigonometry >>Isaac Newton is only given credit because muh eurocentrism >How is that an argument? The process that brought to the development of calculus, while not initiated by Newton, was not initiated by Arabs either. It's an entirely European discovery
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_calculus Long history of calculus of which arabs created integral. Also even at the time it was disputed whether Isaac Newton discovered it or Leibniz
>>Alhazen aka the worlds first true scientist >Says you
calculus was developed by alot of people from different regions and not only newton
Jaxson Taylor
>implying that ancient egyptians who lived in the same place as arabs and for the past 5000 years arent arabs
nice mental gymnastics mario
no you didnt
who is ibn kaldun?
ibn sina?
Without looking it up
And i know you will becaue youre a faggot
You dont know shit about the arab golden age and just go on a mongolian turtle mating image forum to shit post about how youre white some how and MUH RAYSE
Ryan King
>that they still use today
Yeah, and Arabs barely do. Did you know that the entire Middle-East has translated less books the last 1000 years into Arabic than Spain translates in 1 year?
Jonathan Foster
>Saved the works of Aristotle and shaped modern European philosophy
No it's complete bullshit, all the work of aristote was in the center of christian theology. This meme come from a movement called orientalism and it's fake
>Created arabic numerals we use to day as well as algebra and the concept of algorithms
It was hindu except the zero Algebra no it's no-sense Algorithms yes and it was a great mathematician who do that
>Created geometry No really, you must talk about the egyptian, they are not arab
>Created trigonometry and the law of sines I don't know
>Discovered the basics of calculus No it happened long time before arab
>Created the scientific method Not at all
>Discovered and named most stars as well as the Andromeda Galaxy I don't know but some good arab in this field indeed
>Discovered the Earth was round No
>Refined our understanding of the cardiovascular and nervous systems I don't know
>Discovered the difference between smallpox and measles I don't know >Created some of the first medical encyclopedias I don't know
>Created the worlds first colleges that granted degrees That's totaly irrelevant
>Countless contributions to art and architecture Not so many art contribution islam is mostly against that, archictecture can be based
Ryan Williams
>The process that brought to the development of calculus, while not initiated by Newton, was not initiated by Arabs either. It's an entirely European discovery This doesn't even matter. Newton forumlated Calculus. You can't give credit to all the people who did everything leading up to it, because that would essentially be almost every physicist and mathematician who's cultures had been in contact with the Europe by that point.
Camden Ross
>calculus was first found in europe and just like greeks contributed to calculus , chinese and indians did explore calculus too This is true, but the European discovery and development of calculus is arguably indipendent from the works on calculus made by Chinese, Indians or Arabs. People around the globe indipendently discovered the same basic things about calculus, but for a reson or another only Europeans extensively developed it.
Christopher Butler
>look at all those things arabs discovered 3000 years ago. >remind me why you hate arabs?
Nathaniel Harris
If they did all that and they are so great then why aren't westerners flocking to their countries?
Evan Roberts
They are darker skinned Jews
Jordan Torres
Like i said to the other guy
nice mental gymnastics
So youre saying the people who have adapted to living on the mediterranean and in the desert for the past 5000 years, the same enviorment arabs come from, arent arabs?
enjoy telling yourself that MUH GREEKS AND MUH ROMANS are the only ones who invented anything before AD
Kevin Hughes
>the dark age applied to all of europe The byzantines didn't suffer a dark age, and the dark age is called that because few people were literate and consequently there are few records. Historians are "in the dark" about much of what happened in that time.
Charles Howard
>implying every civilization back then wasn't raping young people
Nicholas Carter
dont bother. if you havent noticed arabs are the new nigs. they will try to rewrite history in their image and still talk about flat earth faggotry
Brayden Davis
>Israelbro Topkek
Elijah Johnson
>the arab golden age WE WUZ SCIENTIS AN SHEIT
yeah, arabs discovered a couple things, granted, but it wasnt that much big deal the world would still be much better off if terror niggers never existed
go blow yourself up now, goatfucker
Matthew Adams
>they brought things that other people had invented into Europe, like not-actually-Arabic numerals and the work of famous Arab authors like Aristotle!
Good for them.
Luis Jackson
>remind me why you hate Arabs
They don't stay in their own countries.
I can get along with everyone as long as they're where they belong.
Samuel Peterson
>If they did all that and they are so great then why aren't westerners flocking to their countries?
Because America fucked up theirs for oil
Samuel Perry
sand niggers
Jose Garcia
You went through a Dark Age to
not everything stays gold forever
Jordan Powell
Fresh Klav Kalatsh
Gabriel Wood
Roman sex culture (gay sex positions and stuff)
James Ramirez
...
Wyatt Jenkins
>in the dark about much of what happened in that time
Because there were not that many writing pieces
so we can assume that culture and intellectual thinking stagnated and/or declined during that time
fucking retard
Eli Young
Whos denying the dark ages? And stop taking credit for Byzantine its just making you look silly.
Eli Moore
This + Sage
Ian Johnson
>So youre saying the people who have adapted to living on the mediterranean and in the desert for the past 5000 years, the same enviorment arabs come from, arent arabs? You're a fucking idiot. The arabs are a specific ethnic group within the middle east, and they aren't even the only one. Bedouins are not Arabs, Persians are not Arabs, Kurds are not Arabs. The Ancient Egyptions were not Arabs. They were a distinct ethnic group. Also, for fuck's sake, not all of the Middle East is a desert. The main desert is at the center of the peninsula. There are mountains, green coastal regions, grassy plains, etc.
Thomas Baker
>resorting to ad hominem because you cant disprove anything and ultimately know im right
wew lad
Lincoln Flores
>stole shit >remind me why you call them sandniggers?
Dominic Flores
>Long history of calculus of which arabs created integral. Alhazean used a similar method to find a formula for the volume of a paraboloid, but did not develop on the concept of calculus or integrals. The works on calculus done by people such as Newton, Leibnitz, Fermat & others was much more comprehensive, and did not include the works by Alhazean >news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7810846.stm Many people have been claimed to be "The Worlds first true scientist". Only because you found an article that says that HE was, doesn't mean it's true. One could easily argue that Aristoteles was the World's first scientist, too.
Owen Nguyen
Only in western and central Europe.
Henry Gomez
too bad the Arabs didn't save that one for us
Aiden Morgan
>Are you implying people live in and are accepting of the culture around them? Leftist go and stay go
William Ortiz
Aristotle was also saved by monasteries in Europe, and was only endangered by the Burning of the Library at Alexandria
Arabic numerals are based on an earlier Indian idea
Geometry is not Algebra
Neither is trigonometry
Calculus was invented by Isaac Newton
Scientific method was developed by Greek logicians
The stars were always charted dipshit. Just because Arabs ignored everyone else doesn't make them geniuses
Again the Greeks were the first to say it was a sphere which was proven by a Greek living in Egypt
Cardiovascular system not understood until Da Vinci
I've not heard this smallpox thing so we'll call it a suspension of judgement
First encyclopedia invented in France
First colleges invented in Europe
No evidence for the Architecture or Art given. Try harder.
Lucas Foster
There's a distinction between those who expressed the same concept somewhere else in the worlds and might have influenced it or not, and those whose work was used by Newton and incorporated into his own theory.
Kayden Cook
Man what a retarded way to kill an animal.
Hunter Myers
berbers, kurds, turks etc dont live near the arabian peninsula to actually move there realistically during that time period
but arabs can
congratulations you played yourself
The only good thing to ever happen from the Byzantines was the Hagia Sophia and maybe greek fire
They declined after Justinian until Basel, then they were sacked during the 4th crusade, then the limped on for another 150 years until the ottomans crushed them
please
Andrew Johnson
>They don't stay in their own countries. >I can get along with everyone as long as they're where they belong.
>implying America didn't fly to the middle east and overthrow a democratically elected government which eventually devolved into chaos and anti-american sentiment
wew
Josiah Powell
>Saved the Greeks Righto! >created arabic numberals, algebra, algorithms. -arabic numerals- yes! -algebra - took it a step further -algorithms - ever heard of euclid's algorithm?
They invented the word algorithm, granted, but the greeks used the living fuck out of them.
>created geometry dude, what? They built off of the greek ideas, and al hazan did wonders with optics and was a pioneer into *sphereical* geometry, but the greeks did the living hell out of that crap. >Created trigonmetry and law of sines law of sines to a good degree, yes, but it existed in vague forms from the greeks. >they added onto the Greek method of exhaustion, yes, but calculus took a while to get to modern form. >Discovered most stars/named them What the fuck are you on? Many proimeinent stars, yes, the words for them were lost in the shadows of time from the greeks, but the night sky was thoroughly analyzed well before the islamic golden age. >Discovered the Earth was round Lel, nah. The greeks calculated the circumference of the earth within a thousand or so miles. One crazy fuck even showed that the sun was at the center. >cardiovascular and nervous systems yes! >disease differentiation Yes! >first medical encyclopedias they updated some old ones, made some new ones. They did work out the eye though! >countless contributions to architecture They borrowed some greek/roman/pesian stuff, added their own pizaz. Similar to other cultures
The Arabs were important, don't get me wrong, but they were merely part of the progression of western development. I actually really like the medieval Arabs. They were bro tier, but they weren't the harbingers of modern civilization, I'd argue that it was a continuous development, albeit progression went to different regions around the Mediterranean.
Brayden Fisher
>proceeded to fuck their cousins for 500 years and drop 15 IQ
Tyler Adams
>berbers, kurds, turks etc dont live near the arabian peninsula to actually move there realistically during that time period >but arabs can >congratulations you played yourself Still missing the point. We literally know who the Ancient Egyptians were. The Coptics still uses a variant of the language in their churches. That's how the french deciphered the Rosetta Stone.
Easton Anderson
Avicenna was Persian. And, like almost all works from the "Islamic Golden Age", his talent was primarily in translating Ancient Greek into Arabic. The Canon of Medicine was a regurgitation of some of Galen's work (written eight hundred years prior).
Khaldun was substantially more influential, and actually an Arab, but once again a large portion of what has been attributed to him is simply translations of the works of his intellectual predecessors in Europe. Almost all of the Prolegomena's contents relating to politics are heavily borrowed from Aristotle, for instance.
Juan Morris
>the past actions of a group excuse the current ones
James Ward
>genocide and enslave Greek Chrisian people >take their shit >take credit for making their shit >run out of Christian skaves >scientific advancements stop
>remind me why Arabs aren't a cancer that needs to be removed
Liam Walker
Underrated.
Bentley Robinson
>hieroglyphs are used by coptics My best mate is coptic, no they fucking dont
The rosseta stone was deciphered because there were 3 languages on it and we knew one (ancient greek) so we could do the rest
>implying America didn't fly to the middle east and overthrow a democratically elected government which eventually devolved into chaos and anti-american sentiment
And because of that I should accept them in my country why...?
Ian Bell
>Saved the works of Aristotle By raiding Greek libraries >Shaped modern European philosophy By invading Europe and other Christian regions >Created arabic numerals Arabic numerals were derived from Babylonian, Greek and Hindu >Algebra and the concept of algorithms Which were originated by the Greeks and Babylonians >Created geometry Did not "create" geometry; Greeks did most of that. >Created trigonometry and the law of sines Did not do that; Greeks and Pythagoreans did most of that >Discovered the basics of calculus Just total bullshit now >Created the scientific method Continued bullshit, Habib. >Discovered and named most stars as well as the Andromeda Galaxy Greeks >Discovered the Earth was round Greeks >Refined our understanding of the cardiovascular and nervous systems Primarily greeks and pan-Hellenic peoples >Discovered the difference between smallpox and measles Bullshit resumes >Created some of the first medical encyclopedias Drawn from discoveries of the Greeks >Created the worlds first colleges that granted degrees Based on the Greek sophist works >Countless contributions to art and architecture Derived from Greek and Babylonian technologies >remind me why you hate Arabs A lot of lying to cover up shit they stole; monumental insecurity complex due to shit culture.
Connor Scott
avicenna has 450 works el friendo
>The canon of medicine is a regurtation of...
Please.
Its time to stop.
That book is arguably the best book on medicine ever written
Stop using MUH GREEKS as a crutch when youre wrong
Angel Reyes
>implying Arabs aren't still fucking young boys and girls regularly
Sebastian Anderson
What scientific contributions have arabs made in these recent ages?
Joshua Gray
>implying the middle east was perfectly fine until the US came along WEW
Jonathan Watson
>Old school semitic Arabs from 2000 years ago are the same as muslim shitskins from today I'm one of the Arabs you're talking about. My dad's family is from Damascus and has been there forever. He's an engineer and I'm a biomedical scientist. Please do not lump us in with the shitskins, as we hate them.
Benjamin Price
This is a tired old meme
Why does the middle east suck? Is it because America overthrew the Iranian government in the 50s in favor of the Shah, who oversaw the most prosperous period of Iranian history before being deposed in the 1978 Islamic Revolution?
Or is it because of 6000 years of all hating each other culminating in the British partitioning of the former Ottoman Empire into "nations" made on arbitrary lines which immediately went back to killing each other on ancestral grievances Including a half dozed wars against Israel making them all look foolish A decade long invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviets A decade long war between the Iraqis and the Iranians after the Shah was deposed. The shifting of the lands of the Palestinians The shifting of the lands of the Hashemites And the continual shitfest created by the Kurds who demand their own state but continuously are murdered by the Turks, the Armenians, the Iranians, the Syrians, an the Iraqis because none of them like the Kurds?
Go on.
Pick one
Ian Gomez
2/10
John White
>Implying those who did all that represent the majority
Asher Green
Was Euclid an arab? Because somhow, I remember the Elements being the first and most important treatise of classical geometry.
Jackson Morris
British create arbitrary borders instead of letting the people choose their own
UN creates a state for Jews >America decides it must protect that state no matter what
Iran democratically elects a leader >America ruins that democracy
Seems like whites fucked the browns to me. Oh wait that never happens in history
