How do we fix the horror genre?

How do we fix the horror genre?

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Someone should make your standard romantic chik-flik but leave in lots of unnerving and creepy details in the background that most audience goers will miss.

Perhaps the same character in the background of every public scene. Or some weird noises at some point. Or unexpected faces lurking in the background or something.

Never intentionally draw attention to these things but leave them in there.

Has this been done before?

I like this idea. I've wanted to do it as a short cartoon.

Make movies that leave the viewer feeling properly uncomfortable. Make them think that when they leave the theater and go home, back to their cozy lives, the threat hasn't ended.

Fuck off with the jump scares, don't go for startles. Unsettle them. Disturb them. Traumatize them. Scar them. Leave them haunted by the experience.

Fuck, that sounds great.

Just throughout the entire movie, but no payoff? I don't know.

I was thinking you were going to go the direction of Psycho - leave the audience expecting one kind of movie (a psychological thriller, with the embezzling secretary as the titular psycho) before throwing everyone for a loop (Surprise! It's a fucking slasher film).

let out a psycho in the theater 1 out of 100 times during the a horror movie. You would never know if someone might try to slit your throat at any point in time. Pretty spooky.

This would be cool, like having something odd always on on the television in the background.

Then when a character finally notices what is on the TV, they are witnessing a truly horrible event and are suddenly dead in the next scene.

Like every lifetime movie ever made?

For me, Horror movies have most effect when they are genuinely upsetting.
I don't mean like hyper realistic torture porn or shit like that, but stuff that is so depressing its actually scary mixed in with horror stuff.

Like a lot of the stuff in Black Mirror.
If more horror was put into a Black Mirror episode and then it was turned into a movie, it would be the best horror movie in decades

Have they ever done a stalker-type film with the stalker as the main character instead of the victim?

The Sopranos gave me that vibe at times.

What kind of payoff would you have without ruining the entire idea? I think that user wanted it to be something for more attentive viewers.

I sort of like the idea.

Like, for example, if they did it with The Ring, the movie up until a certain point is a regular calm movie, establishing characters and stuff (so it isn't boring), with the video playing on a tv somewhere in the background, and the character suddenly noticing it and being fucked in one moment. A sort of 'OH SHIT THIS IS *THAT* KIND OF MOVIE' moment.

I guess Maniac?

>the guy in the Member's Only jacket staring down Tony in the background of the entire final scene

You can ease into it by showing minor characters watching it in the background or something, and then never appearing again. Maybe not even a fucked-up video, just something distinct enough for the astute to notice.

Just watched Oculus. Pretty good, the jump scares make sense, and the last 30 minutes are engaging as fuck. The redhead was a total qt as well. Not often does the movie give away the ending in the first minute and still wants you to watch more of it.

>Just watched Oculus. Pretty good
nahhhh
She's cute, but nahhhh

>stop pandering to teens
>stop marketing them in such obnoxious ways
>bigger budgets
>original, well thought-out ideas

desu, even if execs followed this formula, less and less 'pure' horror films would be made as supernatural shit has less impact as technology and scientific understanding of things grows, and you can only have so many films about psychopaths before they become stale and overused.
the future of horror is in sci-fi.

I think this genre would greatly benefit from a noticeable increase in creepy lolis.

Maybe something like marching soldiers and bomb explosions.

It's never ever brought up but it looks like something horrific is happening, just outside the happy lovey-dovey scope of film focusing on the couple?

Seems too obvious.

Yeah personally I would go for the somewhat innocuous stranger in every scene with some sort of horrific implication near the end for those that noticed.

only movie I can think of is kill list. movie is a slow burner with some ominous music and scenes. but the the plot goes to hell in ways you wouldn't expect. at the risk of spoiling I'll say no more but its definitely worth a watch for the ending

i think it'd be better if these subtle details imply something dreadful will happennear the end of what the average person would assume is a happy ending

>will leave your bones rattling

Drop the trope of spooky children who communicate with the ghost/demon/entity before shit gets real

An absurd amount of horror post Poltergeist has used this, it might be a more played out trope than big titted college girls tripping over nothing during slasher chases.

Underratted

This is possibly the least funny meme to come out of the past few years

spoiler that shit

make Horror movie directors play PT

Less haunted house bullshit and more innawoods spooks and monsters. A good Beast of Bray Road movie.
I saw this kinda shitty but aesthetically pleasing Canadian movie called Bang Bang Baby at the local film festival last year that sort of fits the premise you're looking for.

>the virgin mary
>those old blind mafioso
>christophers dream in satriales
>tony's dreams at the pier
>that shot of pussy in the mirror
>tony staring at the door in the safehouse

>bigger budgets
Absolutely not. Some of the best entries in the genre were done for no fucking money. It works best when its an underappreciated genre that the execs don't monitor too closely. Give some asshole out of film school a few thousand dollars, and a week or two to bang out the movie and very little supervision. It's always been an inexpensive genre because all you need is corn syrup, red food coloring, a prop knife, and maybe a rubber mask if you really want to go overboard.

Less ghosts, some otherwordly shit, filmmakers should do research into ambient noise and imagery that creates unease and fear within an audience and use that more than "le EPIK jumbscare :DDDDD"

desu after watching Stranger Things I loved seeing that kind of otherworld in the upside that was fucking spoopy, like a world that's familiar but fucked up in some capacity

>but no payoff
You really just outed yourself as a generic pleb.

you can't

horror fans don't want good horror films they want jump scares and gore

also the psychic knowing about the poison ivy, the moving wine glass, and that mysterious man that walks up the stairs during livia's wake

>the moving wine glass
that really fucked with me

the poison ivy was more weird than scary

that man that walks up was a comedic thing because he didn't want to be involved in janice's group session

>beast of bray road
>no thanks, I've only got so many pairs of trousers to shit

Behind The Mask: Rise of Leslie Vernon
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer
Man Bites Dog
and there's one more cult film i've seen where the director was also the actor..... can't think of it..

Twin Peaks general?

Dont look now comes to mind.
Old and slow horror movie from the 70 i think.
Remember that there where a lot of scenes with unnerving stuff.
like the main character (donald sutherland) drinks a glass of water then in the next cut its blood and in the next cut its water again.
stuff like that happens a lot in that movie.
good stuff. anyone seen it, please dont spoil the ending.
I remember that the ending was one of the few times where it actually took my breath because it was that disturbing.

>Give some asshole out of film school a few thousand dollars, and a week or two to bang out the movie and very little supervision
>film school
Please stop.
They need bigger budgets because it all gets spent on Jewy, overrated CGI computer effects studios.
And you need more than knives, blood, and 2spoopy stalkers, because Halloween-type shit stopped being scary in the 90's.

I know the movie exists, but do people outside of Wisconsin actually know about that?

its pretty obvious the wine glass moved because she accidentally tugged the cloth under it

True Detective is a crime drama that has weird horror shit happening below the surface all the time.

Do Cosmic horror, but do it well.

Don't do jump scares more than once in the movie.

Have a lot of potential jump scares in the movie which don't activate.

Have a rational, non-overreacting protagonist who does everything right to survive.

Culture despair, not just terror.

Have protagonists over 50.

Have a female protagonist over 50.

Don't show your monsters more than you'd show jizz in vanilla porn.

Ghosts don't have to have big long mouths all the time.

Sickness is scary. Feature disease.

everything doesn't have to be alright in the end, but that doesn't mean it has to end on a cliffhanger.


Kill-list is awesome. It starts off with a one plot, meaning you root for the characters and relate, and then drops them in with some things that make you spooped.

Make a regular film, without any indications of horror, no suspense or music etc. Then, give a jumpscare at the end.

Can you imagine something like The Office US having a fucking disturbing ass jumpscare without any foreshadowing at the end. How cool would that be.

Isn't that the horror equivalent of blackadder goes forth?

That's basically me. I just really like to follow certain woman to see where they go throughout the day so It would be nice to see a film about that.

I would like to do a romcom with the usual predictable cliches turned up to maximum, but then in the last 10 mins it turns out the partner is actually an insane serial killer and that's why they act so weird

>Can you imagine something like The Office US having a fucking disturbing ass jumpscare without any foreshadowing at the end. How cool would that be.

That would be nice actually. It would make it seem more like a creepypasta and add a nice "cursed tape" cliche to it.
Someone must have done something similar`?

This man knows his spooks

Like that random demon face in The Exorcist or that alien on the rooftop in Signs

Yeah but those are horror flicks so it's not that unexpected. Add that shit to (500) Days of Summer and watch as people get traumatized in theaters.

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everything nowadays is about demons or ghosts
refreshing spin would be unknown creatures, things that dont fit in neatly into a category

More found footage movies obviously.

what happened in the second one, i couldn't see

David Lynch did two sole jump scares in mulholland dr and inland empire, respectively.

Exactly.
turn your volume up

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tl;dr the television that you can faintly hear in the background mentions riots and martial law being declared

Like the secret fifth roommate in The Young Ones?

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Always hidden, never mentioned by the characters, and most people didn't even know he/she existed.

fuck you just tell me what happens bitch

Mulholland drive wasn't even a jump scare was it. It was a "let's just point the camera at a scary rasta now". Without any bullshit crescendo. Smarter i think.

He did yeah, though those films were not your regular everyday films.
I mean, the jumpscare in mulholland drive wasn't expected and scared the shit out of me I'll tell you. It still fit the film though.

Now something similar in a romcom would be traumatizing. Of course it should be serious and meant to be disturbing. Kind of like the jumpscare in Pee Wee Herman film, but more serious and sinister, AND at the end preferably.

Problem is, once the movie is out, it would be so much talked about that only the people seeing it on premier would be the ones not knowing about the scare and left traumatized.

>How do we fix the horror genre?
Outright Ban the Production, distribution, viewing, and ownership of found footage films.

oh wow. i was wondering why the music took such a long time to come in.

just give more money to this man

THE FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN IS THE MOST UNSETTLING FEAR OF ALL
show me less for fucks sake, in fact its often better when they show nothing at all, the scariest part of all good monster movies is when you cant see the monster or can only just see part of it, like the first half of jaws or the blair witch project. its all about that suspense, jap horror has a lot of that going on desu

I hate the conjuring. The atmosphere is great but the whole bullshit religious stuff ruins it. You just know god can't lose so everything is gonna be ok.

He should go back to stuff like Dead Silence, puppets scare the shit out of me

I'd say Audition sort of fits that bills. First act/half of the movie is a romantic comedy/drama about an old dude with a younger woman, and only until the big switch-up half-way through do you look back and realize how fucked it was from the start. Really chilling stuff.

Give all the money to this man and tell him to go crazy.

god cant lose?
im not a fan of conjuring too but because it merged with the insidious' nothing surprising

Care to spoil it?

I guess it's sort of like what Stanley Kubrick said about ghost stories. A ghost implies life after death and therefore is inherently optimistic. Same with religious horror stories since if the Devil exists so does God.
I did think that movie "The Last Exorcism" did a decent job with that idea, since the premise is it's a dude who has lost all his faith and doesn't believe again til it's all gone to shit.

This. Gone Girl scared me more than any "Horror" flick that's came out in the last decade because of how unsettling this bitch was.

Lol it was a satire.

Twin Peaks is frightening since you have no idea what the fuck is a parody and what is supposed to be disturbing.

Like that girl Heidi. In the first episode she laughs this weird giggling laugh for like 10 seconds, which seemed really out of place.

She did the same thing in Fire Walk with me, for some reason.
Yet nobody fucking mentions or talks EVER about this particular scene.

she's the best villain since Chigurrh desu

you just know people like her exist.

Well yeah, because saying otherwise goes against the religious morale and I guess it's troublesome in America. I'm not saying that religious themes are bad, they can be interesting but it need to be at the service of the tension

Didn't see it. Does his faith reward him ?

Old widower has a friend who works at a TV studio. The friend agrees to hold a fake audition where the widower can scout out a nice lady to go out with. Meets the girl in the picture, seems like a nice conservative, old fashioned girl. They go on a few dates and all seems well until the guy gets busy with his son's life for a bit. Then he calls the girl and you see her apartment for the first time. She's waiting like a dog in front of the phone and there's a burlap sack with something in it freaking out in the corner. The widower investigates the girl and turns out she was abused and cuts dudes up with piano wire. She drugs and kidnaps him where she reveals whats in the bag
It's her old boyfriend missing both feet, most of his fingers, his tongue ears and eyes. She vomits into a bowl and feeds him

You don't.

That is FUCKED UP senpai

Nolan did that with TDKR
Didn't work out to well

Left unknown. He's an ex-pastor who wants to disprove demonic possession and satanic worship. He spends the whole movie explaining the tricks of the trade. Turns out at the end it's not fake and he stumbles into a full on satanic ritual sacrifice with a fiery demon in the pyre. He runs in quoting the Bible with renewed faith but the movie ends there.

>implying you can fix horror
>implying people's tastes won't always be shit

For the last several years there has been a distinct upturn in the quality "the horror genre". The problem is the good stuff gets buried under crap like Zombeavers and the latest Paranormal Activity style garbage.

What the fuck bruh

good suggestion user.

what in the actual fuck
ive watched the young ones countless times and never noticed this once.
what the FUCK

bomb capitalism

>that scene in the finale where she comes back to the diner and they repeat the whole scene from the pilot to an almost disturbing level
Felt so fucking odd, goddamn.

Seriously, I can't wait for season 3

Yup Lynch made it somehow like a cyclical ending there.
But what's disturbing is nobody mentions that. You're the first person I've ever talked to who has noticed that. Google doesn't give a shit. Makes you wonder how much similar shit is left unnoticed in the series.

Not to mention Bob, that fucker still gives me nightmares. Lynch should just make a full blown horror film.

maybe like a comic book movie but scary. I really like all comic book stuff. Maybe if they tried a horror comic or something that would be cool.

I thought gone girl was a chick flick going in if that counts.

Surprised someone else liked The Last Exorcist, everyone else seems to hate it (though the sequel really was shit)

Just keep in mind this comes AFTER 45 minutes of cheesy romantic dialogue and awkward romance scenes. And it gets worse from here
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crossed is pretty horrific, the psycho series specially

I've been outlining a film that for the first hour is just basic family drama but then after a sweet scene where the mother tucks the daughter in and goes to bed herself a murderer emerges from the shadows in the little girl's room and brutally mutilates her, then goes about killing everyone else in the house.

It's kind of an experiment to discover why horror is scary. I think most horror films would not have tension or suspense without their soundtrack, the music tricks the audience into being scared. So I want to try a horror movie without any typical horror stuff. Like it would be marketed as a drama which for some reason has a hard R rating and people would go in not knowing why. Then the "horror" kicks in still with no horror music or change in cinematography, shot the same way as the rest of the movie. I would want to see if people are actually scared or if it's all just a trick.

Shit user I'm not even going to watch that. It's past bedtime and I'm already creeped the fucked out by this thread.