Socialism doesn't work

>socialism doesn't work
It's funny because you can never explain why.

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it only works with 100% white countries who's DNA is very very close to one another and view each other as extended family members with shared interests.

Because a lack of a free competing market reduces motivation

It never:

spends less
requires fewer taxes
fights fraud, waste and abuse
pays for itself
delivers on its promises

What the leaf said Also posting a pretty gook with big tits doesn't justify socialism either.

Because it takes away incentive.

"The people" "own" things, but it ends up being distributed and managed by "the party" who is nothing more than a aristocratic class who rule over the nation and live in luxury.

A man strives to work for himself, not his neighbor. Boundless altruism is the white man's cancer.

100+ yrs of failure on the part of "Muh Socialism" is enough for anyone but a mongoloid, Swedecuck.

Kill yourself.

If the nation can't maintain itself without heavy reliance on taxation of corporate entities, then the nation is under the power of those groups. We can't let businesses fail because the lack of tax revenue would tank all the social programs.

Socialism can ONLY work in homogenous nations
E.G: Nazi Germany and Gaddaffi's Libya

> You can never explain why

State-run production has always been and will always be shit. There is no profit motive, hence no motivation or incentive. That's why it's only been duties that can't be handled by others (for the sake of order) have generally been given to the government (Such as police... Even though privatized police are becoming a thing.)

Inefficiencies and lack of incentives

>you can never explain why.

Yes I can.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem

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Give all power of distribution to bureaucrats results in them giving everything to themselves.

>capitalism doesn't work
It's funny because you can never explain why

It requires that everyone from the farmer all the way to the head of state to pay their fair share.
No one can abuse the system. Ex. Staying on welfare/unemployment even though they could work from home. Of shore accounts.
The entire populous must have a strong community centric philosophy.
The budget must be extremely well balanced.

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Niggers of the East. Typical Swedeposting.

>you can never explain why
I don't have to, you see, there was a man in the 20th century who dedicated his entire life to explaining the flaws of collectivism. His name was George Fucking Orwell. Read a book sometime, collectivist scum.

>1. Lack of price signals
The system couldn't allocate and adjust resource allocation because prices were always fixed, often for political purposes. So, whereas a market economy can be dynamic and adjust rapidly, often the Communist leaders were reacting to problems from last year and so their command economy adjustments were too delayed.

2. Nature of Incentives within Hierarchies
People within the power structure need clear incentives. You see this even in the West now, where since so many things are politicized, the incentives are all fucked up. It's why half-retards in business can outperform brilliant people in government: because all the incentives are well aligned in business to focus on efficiencies and profit. Even if you're a shithead in a corporation, you can look at the profit and loss statement and identify where to focus your energy. Under Communism, no one really knows what's going right or wrong and why. It's constantly flying blind. Reading the history of Communism you see these periods where the political elites just arbitrarily say, "This decade: consumer goods and not tanks!" That's no way to run a country. Gorbachev said he knew Communism was fundamentally flawed when they had to set up a party committee to ensure nylon stocking production was sufficient. Cont

FPBP, Globalist Socialism never works, National Socialism is best system ever conceived by man.

>No mention in thread of Misesian calculation problem
>learn some fucking economics people
wiki.mises.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem

Lybia

>3. Human Nature/Incentives/Rejection of Egalitarianism
People like to talk about equality but they don't like it in practice. Tall people like being tall. Guys with big dicks like being the biggest. No one wants equal-everything. As such, the idea that everyone gets an equal-sized apartment being paid the same amount, regardless of merit, work, etc., was a fatal flaw. People revert to the lowest common denominator. Why would you try to be the best employee in a Communist system?

4. Violence
The only way to solve the free-rider problem in egalitarian systems is through fear, coercion and eventually violence. This is why every Communist system kills, it has to use terror.

Eveything becomes unique and adapts to that uniqueness. All constants will adapt and adjust to their respectable variables.

It retarded 20th century economic growth in Russia and Eastern Europe worse than any foreign power could have managed, even by pumping billions in sabotage.

Planned economy and isolation from the global market caused the creation of many redundant, woefully inefficient businesses. The public was their sole investor and the public bore all their losses.

Sadly looking at Western Europe now, no lessons were learned from the endeavor, seeing as they're now all infatuated with planned economies and collectivism.
Thats why

Effort post/10

National Socialism is just a fancy way of saying, "The ideal tribe". Tribalism is evil, deductive reasoning.

Because every attempt of something even close to it has ended in failure. Only an idiot would think pushing it farther in that direction would somehow alleviate all its problems.

any system would work in Europe if it was completely white desu

You're going to be a 3rd world country by 2030.

Ever notice how nearly every single collectivist is someone either without a job or completely hates their job? Collectivists are just failed capitalists. They don't know how to compete, so they want those in power to level the playing field so that they don't have to.

>requires fewer taxes

*Less* taxes, not *fewer*. I don't care how many taxes there are (income tax, VAT, inheritance tax etc), I care only about the amount I have to pay.

Also, don't switch from less to fewer, that's bad style. Always use "less", it's always correct.

...because it don't, old pigface had it right with 'socialism is the philosophy of equal failure and envy'... aka jewish egalitarianism

Socialism exists to soften up western societies for invasion, as you should know sven.

>The system
would
>allocate and adjust resource allocation
not by a roundabout way of reacting to market, and not in interest of pushing up abstract economic values, but according to consensus of competent professionals who actually work on that factory, workshop or laboratory, so that scientific and cultural progress marches on.

Capitalism results in a world that goes in meaningless circles, wasting raw resources to sustain that cycle, while producing almost nothing of value.

Corruption and inefficiency. It's incredibly difficult for one group of people to determine the needs of an entire country without getting SOMETHING wrong and ending up with shortages.

Take the example of Mao-era PRC. The new communist government collectivized agriculture under state control, and began getting estimates from the communes as to how much grain would be produced by them for that year. What they failed to consider was that the communes were incentivized to exaggerate their estimates to meet quotas and appease the government, resulting in horribly inaccurate statistics every year for the central planners to rely on. This created the artificial famine in the early '60s that unarguably killed tens of millions of people. As well, once the communist party came into full power, officials inevitably began to become corrupt, and oftentimes grain needed for the people would be sold by the government on the international market to enrich themselves. Even Mao himself turned from a dedicated revolutionary to an old fuck who had his buddies get virgins for him every day to have sex with. If you look at the old SSRs or even modern day countries like Venezuela and 1990s DPRK you'll see similar stories. Also, I'm talking about actual socialism here, not democratic socialism (e.g. still having a capitalist economy but with a government that has high taxes and provides more than usual services and welfare).

Nice pic btw.

Adam Smith destroyed the concept of communal work three hundred years ago, faggot.

Capitalism results in this new aristocracy of super-rich who have both absolute control and no motivation to progress because it harms status quo.

Mises debunked that crap 100 years ago. Socialism.

Because labour is valueless and the more money goes to the government the more powerful it becomes the more regulations there will be on the market the more inefficient workers there will be.
Market regulation and government inefficiency doesn't work and will slowly destroy the economy as no valuable products or services will be made.
Government distribution never works to equalize the economy. The only thing that equalizes the economy is de regulation.

This and you need a small population and country that has a common heritage and culture for it to work

Yes. This is very easy to see when you look at the backgrounds of the men who preach this shit.
"Sure they were a failure at anything practical, but their ideas on economics are brilliant!"

It's sickening.

>nytimes.com/2016/05/16/world/americas/dying-infants-and-no-medicine-inside-venezuelas-failing-hospitals.html?_r=0

>PRC
>communist
It was state capitalist. As was USSR and Cambodia.
The only society to implement communism is kibbutz, Israeli settlements. Unfortunately, communism requires both herculean undertaking of entirely changing humanity's collective psyche, eliminating mistrust, AND is a colossal administration hurdle.
Communism on state scale is unattainable atm.

We don't have to. The burden of proof is on you to prove that your thing works.

In fact, historically we know that it doesn't work. You can make all these theories and shit, but does that matter? No. What matters is that when people try it, it fails.

"my only motivation is to not be hassled, and the fear of losing my job, but you know bob, that'll only make someone work just hard enough to not get fired."

It ended in failure because the rulers never had any intention of implementing it. They created state cap system and became new kings.
People like Trotsky, who try to actually fulfill their promise, get bonked by their barbarian "friends".

>absolute control
Thats not how the free market works

The entirety of human history you silly faggot.

>It's funny because you can never explain why.
It works well until you runt out of other peoples money. See Venezuela and Brazil!

>historically we know that it doesn't work
And when in fuck was there a socialist state?

But but its never been tried!!!!

>Communism and socialism only fail because they never actually do it right like MY way!
Love this dank meme.

Being able to order everyone below you to do whatever you want (and this is exactly what super-rich do) is control.

FPBP
Worked fucking great in Sweden 40 years ago, then every one got a brain damage and started to import humanitarian problems from abroad because there wasn't enough problems to go around at home.

>meaningless circles
>wasting raw resources
>nothing of value.
Whenever a resource is depleted yet still required to complete a product or process, an effort is made to either modify the process, introduce a new resource in its place or introduce a new process to reclaim the resource.
Through these efforts a society advances in ways a more resource conscious society wont.
Take this scenario and move a timeline some 50 years and you will realize that the more resource conscious society will not be able to compete with the resouce hungry society will.
Example the native americans vs European colonists

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>socialism works
It's funny because you can never explain why.

>atm

you mean never.
as long as we are human and have basic human nature, communism will always fail.

I know american education system kinda sucks, but you've got to be literate, right? Go read Kapital, by Marx and Engels. It's written in simple language for peasants to understand.
After you are done reading it, read up on Lenin's NEP and subsequent policies.

I love it when people try to look serious while having second-hand knowledge at best.

I don't care about socialism,what's the name ofthe girl?

>employment is authoritatative
At least in this system there is a choice on whether you want to be controlled or not

But the rich can't do that. The rich have to pay people to do what they want and even then the person doesn't have to do it if they don't want to.

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>go read marx and engels

you realize they completely ignore human nature and are based in pure fantasy, right?

>Socialism works
"Socialism works for niggers" is a more accurate statement.

So, in your opinion, yeast that thrives and then dies in its shit is a model organism? Welp.

It doesn't work because of the tragedy of the commons, simple as that.

see flag

>I know american education system kinda sucks,
We objectively have the best schools in the world here, try again.

>I love it when people try to look serious while having second-hand knowledge at best.
I love it when people rewrite history and then say "But if you read this book by (idiot communist) then you'll realize why if we did it like they said (despite that it was tried and doesn't work because they're just lazy idiots who literally don't understand how society works) it will totally work!"

Try again.

>marx
that retarded old guy. You know just because some old guy wrote a book doesn't make it true.

Ok faggets I'm tired of muh motivation. If they put a rifle in your head you're gonna work harder than in a capitalist society.
The true reason it fails it's the impossibility of allocate production because there is no price that tells us what to produce.

>what is embargo
>what is blacklisting
>what is PMC

Sure, they might lose some tiny fraction of their wealth by pwning you, but the next guy will catch the drift and submit to them without them expending any resources.

Not anymore. If you don't want to starve on the street, you work for the big guy.

Understand that I am not against control, I'm against control by those who are not interested in humanity's continued survival and prosperity.

"I will find you, and I will re-inform you until you agree with me. Also, overpriced vendors, that will teach you information that is free on the internet, will be looking at this score that we say represents your intelligence, but it actually represents your obedience to the system." The American Education system.

>Venezuela
nytimes.com/2016/05/16/world/americas/dying-infants-and-no-medicine-inside-venezuelas-failing-hospitals.html

You don't seem to realize that humans are only animals. We are no better than yeast, viruses or dogs. It doesn't matter if a virus kills other things what matters is that its alive and thrives.

The best scientific, medical and law schools in the world are here. Our schools are the best.

>yeast that thrives and then dies in its shit
>thrives and then dies
>dies
Everything shits and everything dies, but not everything thrives and you should know that better than anyone here vodkabro

That's not capitalism, that's crony capitalism. In capitalism everything is voluntary: businesses only have power if people decide to give them money in exchange for services. In crony capitalism businesses are able to gain control by corrupting the government.

Yeah the education system in America sucks. Its just a giant communist propaganda system. Despite this our colleges are still better than anywhere else when it comes to STEM

>wasn't real socialism

why is 'humanity' more important than 'nations' or 'countries' to you? vague globalist ideals grounded in 'muh humanity' are exactly the reason why the world is in the mess that it currently is.

George Orwell was a leftist kek keep eating that shit you call truthfinder

Name one country where it has worked that isnt

A) Drowning in Immigrants
B) Have Absurdly High Debt
C) A Downward Trend in Economic Innovation
or
D) Corrupt Politicians

I await your reply.

Do you realize that everything that divides humans and animals is those unnatural things like architecture, medicine, data analysis, etc.? "Human nature" is an idiotic concept. There is an animalistic part, that very "human nature", and there is our part that goes against nature.
Animalistic part of our being needs to be dismantled if we are to progress.

>objectively have the best schools in the world
>schools push out hordes of retarded nigs and wiggers that think books is something you eat for breakfast and Hobbes is a furry tiger
Doesn't seem like it, lad.

You illustrate complete lack of knowledge of what socialism actually IS. I suggested you a way to rectify that. But, of course, you are free to stay stupid and proceed to commit collective suicide with your corporate overlords. Too bad you're dragging me along for the ride.

Starving on the street is better than leeching off of the other workers

State Capitalism is not real capitalism. That's like saying you hate Coca Cola because you don't like how diet coke tastes.

Nazi Germany

CHINA

>muh humanity' are exactly the reason why the world is in the mess that it currently is.
I agree with this statement, the animal kingdom doesn't subscribe to this concept and socialism is a prime example of how equality is a failed social construct.

>we need to become more robotic if we are to proceed

Okay then m8, you can start by not thinking about anything except work from now on. Lets see how far you get.

>Doesn't seem like it, lad.
thebestschools.org/features/100-best-universities-in-world-today/
You're literally retarded and ignore facts because of your preconceived notions and feelings.

I can see why you think Marx was smart.

Please don't be one of those that think we are a socialist country.

Every time they have tried to turn us into one, it have gone to shit.

Nations and countries are means to an end, subsets of humanity.
Nations are an optional mechanic, sometimes shrouded in divine mandate or some inane origin stories to help them stay stable.
If humanity buys it, there will be noone left to, well, be citizens.

Apathetic people and ego-tastic elite is the reason the world is going down the drain. You are defending the current state of things.

Ta livet av dig jävla drägg.

the irony is that the only successful socialist state was nazi germany, and that was because they were racist as fuck.

>It's funny because you can never explain why.

Actually, it does. Countries are extended tribes/packs.

>people realize you don't need to work because the government will pay you
>nobody works
>everything falls to shit

You realize that "species being" is one of Marx's big concepts and is central to his account of alienation? And that "species being" is virtually a synonym for "human nature." If anything, this uncritical humanism is a problem in Marx because he just asserts "species being," as though we can simply know it's true.

I'm guessing you've read almost nothing of Marx and understood even less. Try being less of a dumb fuck, even on user imageboards.

>socialism works
It's funny because you can never explain why.