How can so many of you call yourself conservatives, or at least semi-intelligent human beings, and support Trump?

How can so many of you call yourself conservatives, or at least semi-intelligent human beings, and support Trump?
He:
>Wants to raise tariffs on products from China and Mexico to 45% and start a trade war

>Is a pancake (constantly changes his mind) on the minimum wage issue but has most recently come out to support raising it

>Plans to build a massive border wall, costing taxpayers billions in initial construction fees and billions more over the years to maintain it & expanding the budget overall, while we have an $18 trillion deficit

>Is actually an idiot: "First of all, you never have to default because you print the money, I hate to tell you, OK?"
Yes, he said this. He seriously believes this is how money works.

>Pondered incest with his daughter: “It would be really disappointing — not really — but it would depend on what’s inside the magazine. I don’t think Ivanka would do that, although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

>Advocated for violating the Geneva Convention and killing innocent civilians, which most of you probably don't give a fuck about anyway, but I thought I'd mention it

>Is a repeat liar: examples are easily found online (Being against the Iraq War, claiming Ted Cruz's dad was involved in the Kennedy assasination, etc.)

So, let's have a reasonable discussion and tell me why you like Donald Trump (And no, I'm not a liberal).

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Because I'm not a conservative due to not being retarded.

But I don't call myself a conservative. Conservatives are little cuckold pussybois. It's an ideology for weaklings. I don't want to conserve anything political that has happened in the last 60 years.

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Hillary will force NATO into another war in the middle shit, this time with Iran.

Trump might not.

>Yes, he said this. He seriously believes this is how money works.
Also you should know that that is literally how money works. This is high school level economics.

Mouth breathing idiots like yourself are precisely why I am not a conservative. Stupid people have stupid policies, and by and large the Republican policies have been almost comically retarded for at least the last ten years

Long story short, Americans are gullible fucks. I suppose it has a lot to do with their double digit IQ's and their inbreeding.

because the alternative is hillary

OP BTFO

>is a pancake
You mean Kasich?

I'm not a conservative either. This post is also for the semi-intelligent.
And no, that's not how money works. You can't just print money and then use that money to pay off your country's debts; if you could, no country would have debt.

>it's a retard tries to tell me and my finance degree from Ross how money works episode
No retard. That is literally, exactly, 100% how fiat currencies work.

This is 9th grade level shit.

No it isn't. Yes, Fiat currencies are essentially created out of thin air, but you don't just print that money and then pay off your own debts with it. Then you end up with shitty hyper-inflation.
You're right, this is 9th grade level shit, and for some reason you don't fucking know it.

>but you don't just print that money and then pay off your own debts with it. Then you end up with shitty hyper-inflation.
No, not necessarily. The fuck do you think we've been doing since 2008? Printing money. Where's inflation? Too fucking low.

You might want to write the University of Michigan and question why they seemed satisfied giving me a diploma in the field of study if you and your shit shoveling skills have such a superior understanding of the concept.

What Trump said is 100% factually correct. Whether you agree with that as a method of policy is another matter entirely. To call a man an idiot for understanding a basic truth of how monetary policy works only serves to prove why people like you are too stupid to be allowed to vote

Whether you're conservative or liberal is irrelevant, you're too fucking stupid for politics to matter to you anyway.

This is Fourchan. You can't reliably prove you have a degree, so I don't care.
I never said it was absolutely impossible to simply print money and pay off your debts with it; yes, it's possible, but you have a potato for a brain if you think it's sound policy to print $18 trillion and then pay off your debts with no consequences on the currency.

Ah, so now we come to the point where you admit you were telling a deliberate falsehood and then ascribing such behavior to someone else (Trump.) Good, now we're making progress.

A follow up question: did Trump ever state that would be a good idea as a matter of policy?

Also can I ask you why you seem to think all debt comes due at the same time?

There will NEVER be a situation where the US would need to pay 18 trillion dollars in debt.

Nope. I never lied. It's not my fault you're a retard.
And yes, by saying we never need to default because we can just print money and pay it off? That seems like he's saying that's good policy to me. Did you interpret that differently?
We currently have trillions of dollars of debt, which was what Trump was talking about paying off. The debt doesn't have to be paid off at the same time, I know, but that means 18 trillion that needs to be printed in a relatively short period of time, if we're using it to pay off the debt. Inflation would be an issue.
This is basic economics, as you said. Now, if you'd like to revert back to the purpose of this thread, which was an inquiry into why a majority of Sup Forums supports, Trump, that would be nice.

Mexico is going to pay for the wall dumbass

Holy fuck, you're dumb. I'm guessing you only watched the first 2 minutes of the economics for retards youtube video before desperately stringing shit together to support your irrational hatred.

Aside from the liar and daughter thing none of his standpoints are anti-conservative.

Lol k

>You can't just print money and then use that money to pay off your country's debts; if you could, no country would have debt.

1. The U.S. literally does this.

2. No other country is the U.S. and no other country (well, maybe the DPRK) has it's currency as the reserve currency of every other country on Earth.

3. The U.S., like Britain after WW1, will not be ALLOWED to default, regardless of their financial policies. Same again after WW2.

Raising the minimum wage is a fairly anti-conservative stance, is it not?

RARE FLAG HOLY SHIT

>And yes, by saying we never need to default because we can just print money and pay it off? That seems like he's saying that's good policy to me. Did you interpret that differently?
I interpreted it as his stating a basic fact of economics but then I'm not a drooling highschool dropout.

Depends what kind of right wing angle you're discussing. It makes perfect sense from a nationalist perspective

I'm interested, could you explain further?

Nice meme OP.

>TRUMP: The 45% tariff is a threat. It was not a tax, it was a threat. It will be a tax if they don't behave. Take China as an example. I have many friends, great manufacturers, they want to go into China. They can't. China won't let them. We talk about free trade. It's not tree free trade; it's stupid trade. China dumps everything that they have over here. No tax, no anything. We can't get into China. The best manufacturers, when they get in, they have to pay a tremendous tax. The 45% is a threat that if they don't behave, we will tax you. It doesn't have to be 45, it could be less. But it has to be something because our country and our trade and our deals and most importantly our jobs are going to hell.?

ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Free_Trade.htm

Nope.

It's a fairly anti-Liberal stance.

Liberals believe in free trade and the freedom to negotiate wages. Just like they believe in Open Borders.

At some point these "classical" liberals moved over to the right of (American - not international) politics, rebranded themselves Neo-Cons and Libertarians to distance themselves from the Socialists that were flooding the left.

This is also why the terms "Conservative", "Liberal" etc etc are all sort of meaningless. Most people will operate on a hodge podge of the above.

But tl:dr - Trump is an American conservative, so he's looking back towards guys like FDR and Eisenhower.

Maybe he's not conservative enough, in which case he would be looking back to the founding fathers - and yet his foreign policy of protectionism is far more in line with their stated aims than any other candidate.

I'm not going to spoon feed you. I would assume that is what led you to grow up so stupid.

Not him, but a nationalist puts the interest of his nation and his people (often based on ethnicity) first.

If raising creating or raising a minimum wage is what he believes will strengthen his society and look after "his" people, then he will do it. Just as he will trample other free market sacred cows like open borders or free trade.

I wasn't asking you to spoon-feed me. I was just interested in your reasoning behind your statement. No need to get all triggered about it.

Fuck off, Satan. Your spawn on Earth, Hillary, will not be president.

>no sources

It's cool though because I have heard similar things as well but you really should cite next time for others.

When I heard his economic plan for imports I was concerned. After all there are many small businesses that rely on foreign export to get started.

The whole wall thing is built on the precedent that Mexico is paying for the wall, though. I assume he'll back down slightly if they refuse although that would be quite the happening.

>I wasn't asking you to spoon-feed me.
That is exactly what you were doing. If you do not understand such a basic thing on face value then you need to go read a book.

And you, don't encourage his lazy intellect by giving him a leg up on an already simple concept.

>RIP attempt at adult disscussion

hey dude I have a question. Ive never taken any economics classes but recently become interested in it. I am a PHD student in physics. When trump said "you can't default", I interpreted that saying: the US never defaults (as in cannot pay back the interest on a loan), as it always just prints more money to pay off the interest. That inevitably causes some amount of inflation, but a manageable amount. Some inflation is good anyways. Of course you can't print off 18 trillion to pay out the debt because that would cause insane inflation and fuck up the economy. Thus why the US will never default on a loan.

is this right? That's how I intepreted it.

>He seriously believes this is how money works.
Yes, you idiot. This is exactly how it works. If you kept up with financial markets, you'd realize that this is exactly what the US has been doing since the recession
>JUST PRINT MORE

>conservatives
wrong board
the BDSM club is two blocks down

Yes, on a basic level. There are also about 50 other things you could do before literally printing money would ever even need to be done.

What he said was basically:
>even if somehow all the other avenues to service debt were to somehow disappear overnight there would still be the ability to service said debt by literally printing money. Which is why anyone who screams about default is a fucking idiot.
And he was right.

Not him, but that's sort of right.

It only really applies in special circumstances though. If Zimbabwe for example tries to do the same they just go into hyper-inflation.

Because no one gives a shit about Zimbabwe.

The U.S. will not be "allowed" to default. The market will adjust for their inflation.

I mentioned it above, but look at how Britain paid back it's WW1 and 2 debts. If they were a private borrower the bank would have taken the house back. But interest rates were manipulated by the U.S. and payments deferred to ensure a manageable payment structure.

This also happens in the private sector when someone borrows so much that the bank is now on the hook if they default.

But yeah - No one other than trolls is suggesting HE was suggesting he'd just run off an 18 trillion dollar bill and call it a day.

I know the government prints money. What I meant when I said that was that Trump thinks we can just print money and then pay off our debts with no consequences on the currency.

Tell that to Mugabe.

If you are against trump you are for hillary.. how about you explain yourself first before asking?
Its the nice thing to do.

What made you think we were conservatives?

Why would I? He knows that better than anyone.

I mean, there isn't really a whole lot to explain. Both Hillary and Trump are awful candidates, in my eyes, so it doesn't matter who wins, to me at least.

You people really can't read, can you?

>conservatives

Not even close.

>What I meant when I said that was that Trump thinks we can just print money and then pay off our debts with no consequences on the currency.
Except he said nothing of the sort and you're projecting your stupidity.

Your already in a trade war you idiot, china has 40% tariffs on you.
The differences is your to much of a bitch to fight back.

are you having a stroke?

>implying I meant everyone

>conservatism implies keeping the status quo
>implying ANYTHING is right in the U.S. right now
k, next thread

Regardless of hyper-inflation or not Trump is 100% correct. If you don't wanna default, you print more money. Sure it would cause inflation, but it may get to a point where we either choose hyper-inflation or defaulting and fucking America harder than inflation.

Back to high school for you.

>buying back debt at a lower price if rates change is bad business

u wot?

Why would debitors want to sell the US its debt back at a discount price, kek

1. Get the le china owns 95% of debt meme outta here. Out! Out! Out!

2. If the dollar becomes stronger due to a rate change, the debt that is held out on T-notes could be repurchased with a stronger dollar for "less" money.

Again Trump says something halfway clever and it gets memed to the moon and back in a week by the press.