>go to the store, get anything you want within limits, it's all free >walk into your apartment, which is also free and given to you by the government, which allocates living space to you because there is enough room for everyone, so why not just give people living space? >turn your computer on, which is again rationed out to you >go to bed >you phone, which again was rationed to you, wakes you up >go to work at the factory, which is mandatory service for all the things you have had given to you by society >no wage >lunch time >cafeteria gives you food because there is more than enough food to go around, so why not just give people food? >hop into your electric car that doesn't go above 120 km/h >come home >rinse >repeat
Should we give Socialism another try? Like, no full-blown Communism, but Socialism. Hear me out, before calling me a faggot: There are many things that we can simply give to people, without actually worrying about costs to society, so long as the resources are there. I am more than happy with Capitalism. I love the competition, but can't we at least acknowledge that throwing away bushels of wheat while people are starving makes no sense?
After full automation of 95% of jobs, and the eventual technological singularity, we won't have a choice.
Oliver Adams
>mfw reading atlas shrugged >mfw this unironic post
Ian King
>we won't have a choice. Holy fuck, dude. You get it.
I wanna "This!" so hard.
Like, estimates say that within 100 or so years, unemployment will rise so much that we will either have to kill off the excess human population OR just give them living needs and we can be humane, since we have more than enough.
>implying there is any difference between communism and socialism
Jose Walker
Vulcans are fucking retarded sometimes though
Easton Martinez
It's the human condition to not only seek out self interests to to diversify oneself in many talents and academic virtues.
Just because you're a useless faggot and drone doesn't mean the vast majority of people cannot, and will not conform to what you think would work.
Robert Jones
Why would you want to be cucked by others? Provide for yourself, earn your living, and fuck out of other people's lives Otherwise our entire society is pure entitlement, while relying completely on the government. It's not human instinct to be given everything on a platter, humans want to achieve things and own the fruits of their own labor.
A lot of people in the book talk about how we should consider the poor and the indigent instead of working for profit, while they ignore the fact that none of them would actually be willing to accept responsibility for it. It's what socialism is, passing of your own self reliance and responsibility to the fucking government, the ultimate cucking.
Jason Nguyen
What are you talking about we won't have a choice? There's always the choice to not feed people who can't take care of themselves. A portion of the population will riot and loot and eat itself until it but there's always the option to allow that to happen and let the population level out again to a sustainable level.
It would happen in most places of the first world today. All it would take is the grocery stores to stop being stocked.
Brandon Price
You just described a dystopian nightmare
Asher Rodriguez
Well, I mean the use of force issues with Communism. Like dictator bullshit, you know? The mass murder and shit. haha
I'll pretend I didn't read that!
I'm just thinking in terms of... like a thought experiment. When I watch Star Trek, I think, "Is that where we're headed? I like it."
In a way we do provide for others. If a homeless man is in trouble, the cops will help him. He doesn't pay taxes, but the cop will help him regardless and that's someone risking their life. We're just talking about giving people basic living needs, you know? I don't know, maybe you're right, but... can we change?
Is it? I think of my life right now, and I think to myself, "Do I care how many shekles I make as long as my shit is taken care of?"
In what sense do you see it to be dystopian?
Leo Cox
Sounds like a fantastic life OP
Jackson Turner
>I'll pretend I didn't read that! Oh come on
They're so autistic that they have to suppress ALL their emotions, or else they murder and rape and fug all over the place. Not to mention dumbass pre-spiritual reformation Vulcans
>u-uh t-the Vulcan Science Ministry says time travel is impossible >even though we've traveled back in time like 3 times already on the record officially
Also you're forgetting that ST takes place in a POST-SCARCITY SOCIETY. Terra isn't anywhere near close to achieving "post-scarcity" status yet, as we still have a lot of processes contingent upon the use/consuming of resources that aren't being replenished or that are being used quicker than they're being replenished
>tl;dr: vulcans pre-spiritual reformation were kinda dumb and Star Trek type societies can't exist until shit like matter replication or protein resequencing is viable
Jose Lopez
>go to work at the factory, which is mandatory service >"Fug u cracka-ass space cracka! You owes my people space reparations!"
Now what, Spock? That nigger refuses to work.
Michael Taylor
what will you be doing at this factory?
James Collins
>"Fug u cracka-ass space cracka!
topkek now!
Jose Kelly
>space reparations! My sides are in cracker space.
You're right about the Post-Scarcity thing, but can't we at least ration certain things out to the people on the margins?
People who want to compete should be allowed to do so, but we can give people living space and basic nutritional products... right?
Making widgets. :D
Michael Rivera
>Get Sick >No doctors >Why work that fucking hard for the same shit else gets for being a janitor? >Die
Yay socialism
Kevin Parker
Not at the cost of depriving others of their "certain things", living space, and basic nutritional products.
Might as well conscript those who need to live off the state into something like Starfleet or put them to work in some kind of work program. That's pretty much communism, but fuck it mane those space ships and warp coils don't build themselves and nobody gets a free lunch
Mason Barnes
You're avoiding the question, Spock.
While you were chuckling a thousand other Afronauts have started mumbling and decided they too don't want to work in your factory. They just demand all of the gibs.
What are you going to do?
Gabriel Foster
Underage retard detected. Life isn't like this. Giving an authoritarian regime the right to completely control your life, how much you get, what you get, what you have to do etc. always ends up badly. Fuck off.
Andrew Gray
OP is also forgetting a 3rd world war (the "eugenics war") where a lot of those Afronauts and "genetically inferior" people died off; Star Trek's universe didn't git gud until Earth had one last good 'ol purge
something we're still lacking in [Current Year]
Dominic Kelly
So it's slavery then?
Samuel Richardson
what the fuck is a widget? it sounds incredibly unimportant there will be millions of people in this factory with very little sense of individuality/carpe diem >14 year old please leave
Dominic Hall
Doctors exist even in Cuba, my man. Don't be so dismissive.
Also, in my idea, if you're a doctor you can still make lots of money and be more comfortable, you know? Like, if you invent things and work super hard at healing people, you can still get a big house and stuff.
I'd say that humanity needs to move forward. These folks would simply have to live with the basics that we give all of society at the margins. Man, you're really throwing a wrench in my machine.
I didn't account for Space Niggers...
lmao, I'm Sikh. Do we die in the "Eugenics War", give it to me straight! :(
No... You're working and providing for society, which in turn provides for you. That would be like calling our current system slavery.
I just made that up. I don't know, like you could be a baker or build cars or some shit.
Ayden Morales
>>lmao, I'm Sikh. Do we die in the "Eugenics War", give it to me straight! :( Well I think you gotta read the books for that one, and then you get into a stupid debate about whether or not the books/comics/vidya is "canon" or not
gosh, im sorry i just cant do this thread anymore fuck you are retarded >be a baker or build cars or some shit that would require different degrees of training/different degrees of pay
Austin Butler
>Khan_Noonien_Singh Also, Jew-Jew Abrahms put this poo-in-loo into the 2009 movie.
I, personally, don't like the direction he's taking the movie into. Some have called the upcoming 2016 movie "Star Trek: Tokyo Drift", which is hilarious because they took one of the makers of Tokyo Drift to make this one.
Vulcans are black Spock is a privileged white vulcan
Samuel Powell
All who refuse to work in glorious socialist utopia are killed on spot. Problem after that sorts itself out.
Asher Sanders
Sounds like dreams of blacked canadian cuck. Here is reality: >go to the store, you can't get a shit cause of constant deficit >walk into your apartment, which is also free and given to you by the government, which allocates living space to you because there is enough room for everyone, so why not just give people living space? However, you share your 5-bedroom apartment with 4 more families, each of them is a young family with 2 children. Also, there is 1 kitchen, bathroom, fridge and so on for everyone. Moreover, you live with your parents in 1 bedroom >turn your computer on, which is again rationed out to you. However, the only allowed by government use of computer is reading pre-approved by government books >go to bed >you phone, which again was rationed to you, wakes you up >go to work at the factory, which is mandatory service for all the things you have had given to you by society >no wage >lunch time with a bowl of grass and a goat anus >cafeteria gives you food because there is more than enough food to go around, so why not just give people food? >hop into public bus, which is so fiiled up that you can't move >come home >rinse >repeat
Carter Clark
>Holy fuck, dude. You get it. >I wanna "This!" so hard. >pic related
Sure, eventually we will become obsolete but that's when the underclass plebs fight back and get anti-AI laws in place to restrict automation in industries. I'm 90% certain they already have legislation in place regarding replacing workers with machines. We're only going to get more as the technology advances. >or shits goes completely unrestricted and we get Terminator
Angel Thomas
I read it. You are a major commie faggot. Socialism will never work because there will always be people who are better than others. If you work really hard and prepare 100 cans of baked beans at the factory, while Joe only prepares 10, and you both get paid the exact same amount with no hope of improvement, then you'll slack off. Eventually everyone will be producing maybe 1 or 2 cans a day, yet the pay will be the same because muh livin wage. It doesn't work, it cannot work, not unless you turn everyone into robots. People will always seek to better themselves and when you take that ability away from them, they will crash and burn along with the economy.
Stop being a fucking moron. How many more countries do you want to see destroyed before you admit that it doesn't work?
William Fisher
Could work in maybe a couple years. A society has to be entirely self-sufficient (very difficult). We need to work out nuclear fusion, automate all jobs, gene therapy and cloning, and nanotechnology. After this we can probably have a ""labourless"" (still probably need extremely high skilled engineers and scientists to make sure everything runs) society. Capitalism is pins everything on labor and time being a commodity.
Otherwise no your a faggot. We aren't ready yet.
Aaron Reyes
>>go to the store, get anything you want within limits, it's all free Government imposed limit of 10 food items >>walk into your apartment, which is also free and given to you by the government, which allocates living space to you because there is enough room for everyone, so why not just give people living space? Your apartment is made to the lowest possible cost, you have no freedom to pick which apartment you live in because the government picks that for you . >>turn your computer on, which is again rationed out to you Base model computer >>go to bed >>you phone, which again was rationed to you, wakes you up Lowest spec phone >>go to work at the factory, which is mandatory service for all the things you have had given to you by society Stuck at one job with no possibility of choosing where you work, because the government designates where you should work. >>no wage No ability to purchase items for pleasure >>lunch time >>cafeteria gives you food because there is more than enough food to go around, so why not just give people food? >>hop into your electric car that doesn't go above 120 km/h No choice of which car you drive because the government allocates that too. >>come home >>rinse >>repeat
It's almost like you want someone else to run your life for you because you are too incompetent to do so yourself.
Andrew Kelly
Okay, I read your post before calling you a faggot like you wanted and now I want to call you a retarded faggot instead. What a waste of my time. With government-issued phones and computers privacy is merely a delusion. Shitposting or criticizing government policies on them would at least lead to police contacting you (like they already do in certain European countries if you're against immigration on social media) or even being jailed. No matter how you try to achieve it, you'll have a police state in the end. Even the capitalist countries of the current world are slowly going down that hole thanks to the leftists in power.
Oliver Lewis
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Charles Turner
>use of force >go to work >no now what? socialism is fucking cancer
Aaron Gomez
dont forget, >government then throws you in gulag for life because you were late for work next day
