Drug thread

Drug thread
Just been to the doctors and he said it's better to take 300mg of codeine a day rather than a slow release oxy or similar.
I'm over taking that much paracetamol a day i can feel it hurting my liver but i can't function with this much pain.
Has anyone ever sought out street drugs for releif? Where did you go?
I've tried tramadol but i don't like it, I've tried smoking cannabis, and kratom isn't legal either in australia.
Also what drugs is Sup Forums taking tonight

Get kratom online

link?

melt down that codeine with cold water, mix with syrup and make some lean OP. Grip and sip till you feel better rinse and repeat

i cwe all the time so i'm not eating paracetamol (acetaminophen for americans)

What part of your body is fucked up and how did it happen?

Don't take anything that has to do with opiates.

Side effects are way too strong for the high you get. Just get some good ol weed if you want to phase out

These are just shit, there's a reason they're medicine

Lower back, was working in manual handling but i'm only 22 no doctor knows why i'm like this it's fucked up.
Been thinking about it but who knows dude if i don't like the opiates i'll probs go back to weed. But i don't want to phase out i want to be normal and not in pain all day every day

OP have you considered trying advil? that always works for me

I'm on 400mg of tramadol a day.

kek

don't you feel a bit out of it?

>if i don't like the opiates i'll probs go back to weed
yeah... that's not going to happen

Once you take your first few pills, it will only get worse and worse until maybe a few years later you'll succesfully get out of rehab

I feel very out of it.

Always warm.
It's nice out here.

This.

It's an ocean and you will drown in it's sweet embrace.

It'll become your everything. The hair on your arm will stand up just touching the box.

You will learn to dance in the funny farm.

buy a proper filter flask and just CWE them

smoke some weed before it kicks in for extra fun but never after you drink it if you have a low tolerance

what's your guys experiences?

that other guy is exaggerating, but that one time you took tramadol was probably a good example.

They're addictive and the comedown is awful = nightmares, cold sweat, insomnia,etc.

it's not that bad, he's not shooting them up or anything so the addiction wont be as powerful if you just eat them because it takes so long to kick in.

you need to make a decision to feel like shit for a while if you quit but it's not that bad really especially if you can just chill at home all day

If you don't want to feel pain don't take opiates, take paracetamol

At first, you can finally not feel anymore pain. You can't believe it. Especially if you have been in a fair bit of pain for a while.

Days melt into eachother. You forget things. But you're so warm. So peaceful.

Because opiates fuck with your mood, you'll have mood swings, get paranoid, flirt with insanity.

Then you start feeling pain again and need a stronger dose...

Never used any opioid except one time a nurse gave me way too much morfine after surgery, I felt like absolute shit.

I'm in med school, though, so I know how dangerous opioids are, and how regular use can quickly spiral down into addictionn abuse and later street drugs like heroin when the pills that were so enormously strong and made you feel amazing in the beginning aren't doing it anymore or your doc cuts you off. Not everyone makes it out of that hole, so I'd like to warn you to be very careful with these things.

In the short turn it will be great, in the long run it will be hell.

Hardly exaggerating. I'm on a horse dose.

These pills don't solve the cause of the underlying issue, only the symptoms. In the beginning he won't be shooting them, then tolerance will build, he will need a larger dose, then when he's at the largest dose, more pills, then when that isn't enough, he'll look for other things, and it will get worse and worse until you finally correct the underlying issue.

you sound like u need a dose of hardening the fuck up princess. There's plenty of shit out there to try for non-specific chronic back pain like lyrica or ssrni's but they don't give u a high so I bet u don't want any of those.

What diagnostic tests have they done on you? Ct scan? Mri? Have you seen a specialist?

not everyone has issues they can solve

you just need to take responsibility of your own actions and drug use and if you are becoming a junkie then stop for a while it's your own personal choice to do this. drugs don't control you, you control you

What you're saying is just completely unrealistic and I genuinely hope you never get in the situation where you're in need of heavy painkillers like OP

i have a bad back and i've been cwe/ taking oxy when i can get them for over 10 years

I've had so many different type of scans dude no diagnosis yet

You're fucked, OP. Advil will strip your gut lining, Tylenol will screw your liver. Opiods may work but will have several very noticeable side-effects (in addition to being highly addictive).

And you've said you already tried weed.

Both Lyrica and SSRNI's are very hit-or-miss, have as many side-effects as opiods, and are expensive as fuck.

Not to mention SSRNI's are hell to come down from.

cwe codeine pills i just take the oxy normally**

I can't believe it took so long for someone to come up with this stunning solution to addictions and drug abuse, we'll just tell them to stop for a while! Absolutely genius.

*opioids x2

Dude said he is in Australia and any drug on the national pharmaceutical benefits scheme are cheap as fuck u idiot.

you're missing the point. you stop because YOU want to not because everyone is telling you it's bad and you need to stop

people that wont stop don't actually want to stop deep down inside them

...And you know this from how many years spent in the Australian medical system?

The thing is with lyrica and to a,lesser extent the ssrni's, u can trial them for a month and if they dont work u can stop them, no harm done. Try doing that with 40mg of oxy twice a day.

Tell me about the healing power of Jesus Christ, user.

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Wrong-o.

22 and already on the oxy? Lmao, bro

'kay. Still doesn't address the other points.

Ya, he is boned, mightily.

I am a physician that deals with back pain. Even many organic reasons for back pain are confounded by an unspoken psychologic foundation. There is nothing wrong with the cause being psych / stress related, but treating it with narcotics will never solve the problem.

Buy some TTX Get you some porcupinefish, ocean sunfish, and triggerfish.

Eat any of those in moderation.

Please elaborate, what do you prescribe in these cases?

Could work, but do not attempt alone.

You think it's possible for ct scan to reveal soft tissue problems in the lower back?

I would wait for a definitive diagnosis then before committing to long term, slow release opiate therapy, that shit is hard as fuck to get off. You are better off taking panadeine forte every 4-6 hours. Try to tough it out as much as you can. Hopefully it will be a nerve impingement or something that can be fixed. You could try (as has been suggested) gabapentin (lyrica) if the pain is suspected to be due to nerve damage or impingement - don't listen to the naysayers, in my experience about 75% get a benefit from it and about 50% get a huuuuuge benefit from it, but it only works if the pain is caused by a nerve as I said.

you trying to get cancer aswell?

Not CT but MRI could, or a combination of MRI-CT with tracers that accumulate in areas of inflammation or bone (mal)formation could help

I have 2 fused discs, my spine bends to the right, multiple discs are rotated, some bulging, and the twist in my spine puts my pelvis out of alignment. The bulging disc is suspected to be cutting off signals to my right leg, causing it to give way so I fall over.

On a scale of 1 to fucked what are my chances of becoming wheelchair bound?

The point is the Australian medical system allows a good doctor to trial alternate drugs carefully to find something other than narcotics to help with the pain. Lyrica is a great one if it works for you, other than some weight gain in some ppl is pretty low on the side effect meter. Norspan patches are also pretty good for an opiate and theoretically less addictive than the other traditional slow release narcos

My mom is on it, dude. You're full of shit. She gets small but noticeable benefit, nothing like the opioids.

I heard ct in combination with tracers could still do the trick. I'm not OP I've had some lower back injury and I can't sit since three years. Pain is always while sitting and the ct revealed nothing...

The patches actually are pretty good. I'll give you that. You're still overselling Lyrica, though.

Was hard for me to get off the shit. I took hydromorphine. Tramal 500mg tabs twice a day. And 20mg Endone tabs. All were shit and the withdrawl shit. I took NSAIDS like ibuprofen and i had gastric bleeding bad. Hospitalised. I have degenerative ankylosing spondylitis and i just suffer with pain instead of this crap.

you can extract codeine from paracetamol with chemicals you can find at any hardware store. The para does fuck all for analgesia compared to codeine; it's really just there to make you purge if you try to take too get high on the codeine. Look up "acid base extraction"

op here
tl;dr we are all fucked
I'll ask for lyrica tomorrow at the doctor, thanks a lot for the recommendation. If not i think i'll try weed again because i know too many junkies.

Same. I have bends in my spine. Fusion of all c2 to s1 joints. S1 nerve impingment. Achilles are full of calcium deposits. Im struggling working as a tradesman but do it. Ive been given 10 to 15 years before ill be in a chair. Ive wanted to kill myself on my bad days...

Learn2read fuckwit, I said if it works for you it's great. It's a really weird mee that seems to either work fantastically or barely/not at all. I know ppl who have ditched a 400mg/day oxy dose for lyrica and others whom it hasn't worked for at all. I'm just saying it's worth a shot if it's going to save u the pain of years of addiction to opiates

Just took 200mg Oxazepam and 10mg Lorazepam with a sixpack of beer.

Feels nice.

I wish I could help you, but I haven't graduated yet and if even the specialists with all their tools don't know what's going on in your situation, then I'm afraid there's very little I can do. Just don't give up, sometimes a doc can overlook something, get a second opinion if possible. Ask for an explanation in details when they give you the results, even when they say they don't see anything. Our knowledge about chronic nerve pain, what it actually is, how to spot it and how to treat it, is quickly evolving every day.

Careful with that admixture, chief. Or the very best thing that will happen is you never waking up.

Hello friend have you tried psychedelics?

Did they ever check your levels of vitamin D, parathyroid hormone and FGF23?

At least he's not dealing with the USA "healthcare" system.

I was a forklift driver/heavy lifter.

I have also wanted to kill myself on my bad days.

My work are understanding, and cool with me taking days off, but they are becoming more frequent - and they are unpaid.

I'm struggling just sitting at a desk answering phones.

I just wanna brohug you man.

Nah, that has been my daily dose for the last 6 months so I'm good. Thank's for your concern though.

Being in pain while you're full on tripping is a sure way to have a bad trip, at least in my experience

nice bait

Thank you mang. You were most helpful. Here is something for your studies as well. I've heard regular dosage of uridine monophosphate can help healing of peripheral nerves.

Try Kratom OP. Red is total sedative, white is mostly energy/focus, and green is both. Would recommend green maeng da or super green.

It's effectively an opiate except not nearly as hard on your body as pharms. Also easier to stop.

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This whole thread is making me pretty paniced. I have had knee pain for 4 years now, I'm 23, smashed my knee on a pallet and haven't gone through a day without several Advil/Tylenol. Sometimes I get t3s when it's bad. I was just hoping that I had shitty doctors or that in a few years whatever is wrong with it would finally be bad enough to show on an image (I've had xray ct mri ultrasound the works) and nothing shows. So from what I read here my options are get addicted to opioids or live with the pain till it gets so bad that I'm in a wheelchair. What the fuck. They are cloning animals and creating babies outside of the womb and medical science hasn't gone far enough to fix chronic pain without destroying your pain receptors? I might just kill myself tonight. I'm so sick of being in pain and unable to sleep or work because of it.

CBA to read the whole thread, but dude i was in a similar situation when i was 17 and then again 19. All i can day is its gonna hurt like a Bitch for some time but you get used to it when you are not taking any meds. And get to the gym as soon as you can. And lift. Lift and lift, my back is now better than ever, everything thanks to muscles working in place of spine and shit.

Well, I know it's a bit of a crude solution, but if doctors were to amputate right above the knee, the damaged part of your nervous system would be gone right? These times they're getting pretty good with prosthetics. The surgeons would be perfectly able to make the part of your femur that's left perfect for a prosthetic knee and leg. And the pain would be gone.

There was a comparative study out a few years ago that indicated subhallucinogenic doses of LSD (~20ug iirc, where 100-120 is the low end of recreational dosing) can be used for treatment of chronic pain with better patient outcomes than traditional opiate treatments. It might be worth a shot for OP if Lyrica doesn't work, and you other debilitatingchronicpainfags beside. Subjects in the study would use it for a bit and report less actual pain improvement than the opiate group, but would still report higher satisfaction with their treatment and would typically either remain at their tolerance plateau dosing or wean themselves off (while the opiate group obviously all needed now over time).

It really does depend on what healthcare system you're dealing with, but no, there is no surefire way medical science has discovered to make the human CNS fucking behave itself.

They have very little clue why the antidepressants work. Even less of a clue about shit like Lyrica.

Two words: phantom pain.

brah i struggle with these thoughts every day, when my doctor was telling me there was nothing he can do i just had a wave of suicidal thoughts. So fucked up but always look for solutions dude if i'm still here you gotta be too

Daily reminder to everyone in this ITT thread that pain is extremely heavily linked to your outlook and mental state and the number #1 thing you can do to combat it outside of hard drugs is to try not to think about it.

see placebo and nocebo effects

The last year cutting it off has been almost an obsession of mine. I know the fact that I can still use it makes me seem insane and no doctor would cut off a working yet impaired limb but fuck if I was high enough I'd do it myself or at least start it so doctors have to finish it. Only thing stopping me is hope that someone will find something eventually and I've also hear phantom pain is pretty serious too. I don't wanna lose a limb and probably lose my boyfriend too because I'd be a disfigured fuck just to feel different pain.

That's only the case where skin that is in connection of the damaged nerve part is re-used in closing up the wound, or in cases where there's conversion of information from different places to the same nerve tract. In this guy's example, the damage is located near the knee, not somewhere sacral or in the spine. Phantom pain won't really apply here if the surgeons do their job right.

My mom speaks of loosing her injured limb to diabetes with a kind of relish that makes me shudder inside.

You a neurosurgeon, bro?

Just took my 16mg hydromorphone ER Neurontin and ambien feels good man

Living life in pain unable to sleep unable to work and unable to pay bills or do anything that used to make you happy isn't living anymore in my opinion. Suffer for the next 40 years or cut to the chase. Every year it just seems more and more hopeless.

Well, whatever happens, don't cut it off yourself because you'll either pass out and bleed to death or fuck up so badly you'll die anyway. If you see a psychiatrist about this and fully explain how you're feeling and how it is impacting your quality of life (we love those three words), he might use his medical connections to bring this to the attention of a surgeon who will be much more open to the idea than if you were to go to one yourself.

Not yet, also not a native speaker, as I'm sure you've noticed.

Look into CWE (cold water extraction) if you want to stick with the Codeine. I've been doing it for years, have it pretty downpat that I get little to no paracetamol in my final mixture, just codeine. I'm on 600mg a day (two 300mg doses). It's probably not exactly cost efficient as that's a pack of Panadeine Extra per day, but fucked if I'm going through the withdrawls, I used to be on 3pks a day and managed to cut down by slowly taking less and less without any symptoms. I'll usually try get a little bit of Doxylamine in there too, helps with any itching/side effects (Restavit as it's called in Australia).

dude go to dreammarket on the darknet and get you some heroin, its fucking great

My mom has been in this kind of pain for 20 years. The first 5 were with no pain meds.

Doesn't ship to australia dude

I use doxylamine sometimes too, and i cwe most of the time unless i stumble upon some higher dose tablets.
How do you buy so much codeine without them saying something? Don't you get put on the register for buying any codeine pills?

That's what I mean. She probably hates life and just survives. I'm 4 years into the pain and already take daily anti inflamitories and acetaminophen I know that shit is going to fuck up my liver and stomach which will just add more pain and more meds to the cocktail. That doesn't sound like a life worth living to me.

struth

Not every store registers it, I've sussed out which ones in my area don't so tend to space it out so I will only goto the same chemist per 1-2 weeks. It's a bit of effort, I know I'm a degenerate addict, but that's just how it is for me right now.

She tried the same route as you. The advil wrecked her gut and they gave her so much tylenol-laced pain meds in the nursing home where she "recovered" it began shutting down her liver.

damn son do you have like a spreadsheet of which chemists you hit on what day?

You wanna make up some bullshit fairytale ending for me about your mom so I can at least delude myself into thinking everything will be alright?