If socialism is so bad then how come it works in europe?

If socialism is so bad then how come it works in europe?

It doesn't work.

Its like a ponzi scheme, Europe can only trick new people into joining for so long.

Racial homogeneity means you don't have 59% of niggers receiving state funding just for being niggers.

Socialism is great! Just ask the USSR.. Oh wait.

How does it work?

This. Socialism works when everyone is making six figures and is willing to give up four of them.

The only Bernie-tier socialist countries in Europe are Greece, Spain (also known as the shitholes of Europe) and Denmark. The Danish economy and labour market is very differently organised then the rest of Europe or America. They also don't give free money to niggers, only to the Danes. That's why it works pretty good in Denmark.

Because we live to work. No "pursuit of happiness" bullshit.

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The failure to the USSR is owed to Russian ineptitude, not ideological flaws.

Socialism is workers controlling the means of production. Europe is still capitalist, as the means of production is either in private hands (free market capitalism) or the state (state capitalism)

Fucking. Retards.

I thought Denmark was where white people come from.

>hurr durr I don't know what is socialism

>"if socialism sucks how come Denmark can do it lol gotcha faggots."
Denmark is the size of your tiny penis and until recently had zero racial diversity. America implementing socialism would turn into white people subsidizing niggers and spics.

No fucking thanks.

Venezuela

>it doesn't

Hurr durr if we get free healthcare we live in a socialist society

Stupid cunt. Europe is varying degrees of mixed market capitalist societies

It doesn't. We pay out of the ass, taxes on everything, but pappa gub'mint can't even pay for your higher education anymore. No free tuition, no free monthly allowance while in uni, nothing, only a 52% tax rate for anyone doing reasonably well. Meanwhile refugees get their own cozy home with playstation and don't have to do shit all day.

It doesn't the EU has cucked most of europe so they are now facing record numbers of unemployment plus they are getting raped by rapefugees everyday

>No fucking thanks.

You don't want to know the joy of busting your ass for mudslimes that will shot you in theaters or niggers that will insult you in their songs ? Really, americans are such bigots.

Europe was one a rich and glorious series of nations built on the banks of crumbling empires. Socialism is a luxury, it's dependent on the successful management of industry and raising taxes. You can't do one without hurting the other. It's unsustainable and erodes within a century or turns to imperialism / fascism or another form of authoritarianism.

The nordic countries got it too work because they have a small population, believe in it for their population and live frugal modest livestyles. You'll be hard pressed to find a mansion in those countries.. it's why the likes of Notch and Pewdiepie leave, they get punished for their success in the name of "greater good".

>It works great in Europe

The Europe that is being taken over by Muslims? The Europe where """"""""refugees""""""" rape white women by the masses and their prime ministers work with the media to cover it up?

>sounds like one of Bernie's cuck phantasies

Obviously socialism cannot work without a stable economic foundation.

>being this much of a memelord

Do you actually believe life in the EU is bad?

because europe was white.

Pursuit of happiness basically meant being financially secure and secure in property tho

that's like saying "a well-regulated miltia" means that the government needs to regulate it. the meaning of words change over time.

>Socialism is a ponzi scheme
>dependent financialization isn't

come the fuck on now

Yeah, it worked so great. Oh wait.
It kept eastern euro countries whites, that's the only good thing about socialism.

people think Sup Forums is more than a containment board, it's pretty funny

> europe
> works

>Do you actually believe life in the EU is bad?
yes the swiss rape the shit out of your european union countries

>being this naive

That's the attitude they want you to have. Wait until the sand niggers are in your town and you actually have to face it. You have obviously been sheltered from it but that won't last. It's only a matter of time.

>Europe is socialist
Read a fucking book for once in your life you retards

Do you mean fractional reserve lending?
If so I agree.

it doesnt

>Pursuit of happiness basically meant being financially secure and secure in property tho

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't tens of millions of Americans lost their means to pursue the aforementioned since 2008?

I'm not sure what makes you believe your system is so much better than ours. If this were 2006, I'd believe you. Nowadays, though? You're leaning yourself out the window a tad too much here, I'd say.

My hometown has been full of foreigners since the dark ages. We're fine.

It does.

Fractional reserve lending is a part of it, yes. It encompasses much more than that though, it's the general economic shift from producing goods and selling them to creating money using various financial identities, with the 'value-added' being the creation of capital and so on.

It actually doesn't.

Has it come to mind that america and europe (a group of member states) are kinda different

youre right, let me correct myself:

it currently works. with any more refugees it wont. we will get more refugees.

thus it will stop working within a decade.

You just described the fractional reserve system, but excluded manufacturing and distribution.

Where the hell did you read it works here? It's shit, debs are ever rising, unemployment is getting dramatic in the cities youth, problems can't be named due to muh racism or triggered ignorance... YEAH take all of that out and it's great.

>being this paranoid

If we assume that there are 1.5 million turks, 0.5 million arabs and 1 million new refugees, that's 3 million. Germany has a population of ~80 million. So 3.7% of all inhabitants of Germany are Arab. Yet you think they're swarming Europe and wreaking havoc. You're a fucking paranoid retard.

Fractional reserve banking is simply the idea of being allowed to accumulate financial leverage by only keeping a fraction of the money you get as deposits as reserves, leveraging the rest to a massive degree, which is a part of dependent financialization. What I'm talking about is the distribution of the different sources of wealth creation in a country's GDP and how financialization is the shift (in proportion) from one sector to another. Just as industrialization was the shift from agriculture to manufacturing as a proportion of a country's GDP, financialization is the shift from manufacturing into ponzi scheme finance of the same degree.

>debs are ever rising,

Have a debt ceiling. Nobody forces your government to overspend.

First off, define "foreigners".

You really have no idea what's coming, do you?

>Europe
>Socialist
No.

That be communism dawg

based chess master

>yes everything is fine. Nothing to see here. You're just paranoid.

>tfw when London just elected a Muslim mayor

>First off, define "foreigners".

Turks, Arabs, Balkanites, even some Africans

>You really have no idea what's coming, do you?

This country, or rather the country it emerged from, once got depopulated by the plague and the most cruel religious war in all of history. And it's still here. We're fine.

There's worse than Muslims.

I wonder who's behind this post?

No it isn't, you stupid lard. Communism is a "moneyless, stateless, classless society", an equally retarded concept.

Because it's not just socialism. It's capitalistic socialism.

Sweden was almost untouched in both world wars. They also have oil. This means they can easily pay for everything with oil money. Other countries can't do that. They don't have piles of cash; if they tax businesses, they will go offshore or simply cease to exist.

Moreover, socialism works only when people agree to return what they take, act responsibly. When you take in millions of immigrants who can't even speak the language well, it's not for welfare, it's robbing people of your country.

Pure socialism didn't work for us Russians. Now it doesn't work for Venezuela. The reason is simple: socialism makes everyone equally poor except for the ruling class. It destroys economic incentives and hands the control over economy from the market to state officials who can't comprehend how it works.

You know the most sure way to kill your country? Planned economy in food production. Expect constant hunger, food rationing and lack of toilet paper. It did for USSR what its enemies couldn't do for 70 years.

>not ideological flaws
>thinking labor theory of value is not an ideological flaw
>thinking that equalizing private property and crime is not an ideological flaw

Because a lot of countries today combine capitalism with socialism. In Nordic model the government is lead by democratically elected parliament that doesn't really own the private sector.

Here the job of the government is to provide it's citizens social security and promote technological and cultural progress in through funding and other forms of support. It's also job of the government to keep the competition in private sector fair so that the corporations don't go around and violate human rights, the environment or the people to get competitive edge.

Problem with modern systems is the lack of transparency along with problems caused by free-trade agreements and globalization. While some countries do their best to combat environmental and social issues along with following, you can't assume that other countries will do the same. If you still allow these countries to sell their products and services in your country it will be close to impossible for local industry and services to compete with prices of shady foreign goods and most consumers don't really have the time to care.

I'm a German with some Bosnian and Persian roots. I'm all for racial pride, but it shouldn't supersede one's will towards a functioning society. That would be a political failure, and we're trying to be the politically sophisticated ones, are we not?

>sees the word muslim
>has a hissy fit

Sadiq Khan is a human rights lawyer. If that doesn't encompass integration into the West nothing will, it's one of the things we criticize third world countries (with the US ironically being one of the few "developed" countries that has an issue with) for not having enough of.

lmao

it doesnt work when you have 40 million dindus to feed

they dont even pitch in so how do you make it work??

You're not making a very convincing argument guy.

The last time i checked, China had currency.

Sweden does not have oil ivan

It's not working in Europe, for the same reason it won't work in the U.S.
Other countries work harder (Germany) than others (Greece)
A country like Greece used to have a very bad credit rating and wasn't able to be loaned much now had the eu credit rating and could borrow a Fuck ton
Look at what the euro used to be, the dollar has now almost passed it up

Pure socialism has always failed. USSR collapsed, Venezuela is about to collapse. North Korea lives on humanitarian aid from other countries. Cuba is extremely poor.

While—surprise—capitalist countries never collapse for some reasons. Despite socialist will cry that stock market is a scam, banking sey ystem is a scam, etc, for some reason those things benefit people.

But of course an enlightened college student like you knows better than that, right.

Fractional Reserve is the ponzi mechanism that allows those bad actors to prosper, eliminate that and you take away their ability to grow disportionately.

You're the one who doesn't know what socialism is you dumb cunt.

Socialism = public ownership of the means of production.

Name one European country where that is the case.

All of Europe is capialist as fuck.

Why do you think they import so many third worlders? Because capitalists love cheap labour.

NHS is deemed as Socialist and that service is bankrupt and broken, which is why it's being slowly taken over by private firms. I don't know of any Labour policies that have worked. Socialism is a complete failure in Britain. Don't know about the rest of Europe or even care roll on the 23rd June.

>Hurr durr "Nords are socialists" meme
>I believe because The Bern told me so
I can't wait until they deem leftism as a mental illness that can only be cured by lobotomies.

I'll make sure you get your treatments, OP.
>Scramble your brain to erase every trace of you
>Repurpose you to destroy other lefties

Europe hasn't had to pay for their own defense for 60 years

Socialist theory has advanced a lot since Marx. Of course the Soviet leadership, due to its totalitarian nature, had no means of implementing those advancements.

The people who want to import these migrants are CAPITALISTS.

Comprede you stupid burger muching fuck?

The same people who want to give visas to Mexican border jumpers in the US.

Capitalists love immigration because it's a source of cheap labour.

1) it's not working in europe
2) the USA pays for their defense

>we got fucked up before so why worry about what else is coming. It doesn't matter.

No wonder your country is slowly going to shit. You people have been made so apathetic since the end of the war. Btw, having a few dark skinned people in your town is different than a slow invasion of millions of sand niggers who don't have the remotest desire to assimilate.

> All of Europe is capialist as fuck.
Said the redcoat who has to have a TV license to watch government owned media.

>Thinks China is communist in anything other than name
>Ignorant of the fact that they've only lynreached today's levels of success thanks to capitalist reforms in the 80's.

FFS, you as ignorant about socialism as the average Bernout.

It's just that most of Sup Forums doesn't know the definition of "socialist" and use it as a synonym of "degenerate".

>your country is slowly going to shit

Germany is stronger than ever.

You know what? I think you're jealous.

not really, it's one of many elements that were associated with said disproportionate growth. With derivatives, all you do is transfer ownership and combine multiple instruments of debt into a package and sell it, there's no fractionalization there. The derivatives market and the way it's run also falls under the umbrella of financialization. It's much bigger than you think.

The point is, socialism, whether libertarian, democratic, or otherwise, would've prevented that from happening on the scale that it did.

I don't pay for a TV lisence since I don't watch TV.

You seriously have to be an ignorant rube to think that Britain is socialist.

I mean, I know American education is shit and you guys are brainwashed to hate anything that's govt funded but holy fuck...

That's called "The Joys of Collectivism"

That's funny because we're faring much better than you right now. Even with a nigger president that hates western culture. Your white socialist leaders are fucking you so hard. Suck me dry.

Isn't an ideology reliant on the lack of ineptitude and corruption in government a flaw in of itself?

>le USSR is representative of all socialism meme

>capitalist countries never collapse
>zimbabwe is doing hunky dory
>brazil is doing fine
>Argentina didn't have it's growth stunted like a kid with foetal alcohol syndrome and is still yet to recover 100 years on

stop generalizing vlad

>Socialism = public ownership of the means of production.

Actually, we pursue something called "social democracy", which promotes social justice within the framework of a capitalist market economy. It is de facto socialism. The presence of socialist government does not imply there can be no private ownership, I'd really like to know who taught you otherwise.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

I'd wager you've never even left the US.

It's crazy how many Americans I meet in London who can't stomach the thought of going back to live in their country after living in Europe.

You're just fucking delusional and get your worldview from a chinese meme factory website.

>Germany is stronger than ever.
Didn't know Germans had a sense of humor

>Greece
>only 21% think hard work is important

no wonder they're fucking destitute

>Germany is stronger than ever.

Oh that's cute

There is literally no full socialist country in Europe. Certain countries maintain certain aspects of socialism, but it is never fully integrated.

Also; that kike Sanders referred to Denmark/Scandinavia as social democracies, when they're all constitutional monarchies, lmao.

Also the welfare state was started by Bismarck, a reactionary conservative.

It doesn't and we haven't even implemented on Bernie levels.
Remember the last time Europeans tried democratic socialism?

>we're faring much better than you right now
>hates western culture

The basic definition of socialism taught me otherwise, retard.

they have a RIGHT to pursue it, but it isn't just handed to them by others.

This is really the end of the discussion. Most of these "success story" countries in northern Europe have half the population of New York City, and none of the diversity (comparatively).

Nobody can point out a country of 300 million or more where life wasn't full of misery and mass death, because none exist.

German share index
On our way to becoming the world's greatest.

>socialism
>capitalist market economy

Are you seriously this fucking dumb?

Those two things are antithetical.

Socialism has nothing to do with gay rights or racism or "social justice".

Socialism is about public ownership of resources.

Jesus H Christ read a book that isn't Ayn Rand.