Why trans-sexuality/homosexuality isn't treated as mental disorder if it...

Ryan Martinez
Ryan Martinez

Why trans-sexuality/homosexuality isn't treated as mental disorder if it clearly is one? Who decides it something is normal and something is not?

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Aiden Ward
Aiden Ward

Nobody cares. I don't even recognize them as real people.

Owen Bell
Owen Bell

Homosexuality isn't a mental disorder it's just degenerative disgusting behavior, gender dysphoria is and these faggots ought to be institutionalized, here they still are

Jace Campbell
Jace Campbell

Because the liberal "progressive" agenda treats everything as a specter and rejects the idea of morals or standards.
Thus they do not acknowledge that anything can be considered outside the norm as the norm simply doesn't exist for them anymore - the only 'principle' they base their agenda on is 'if it does you no direct harm, why would you oppose it' without taking into consideration any long-term effects on society and individuals.

You can listen to Jordan Peterson - he's pretty good at explaining the effects of modern liberal mindset on people. PragerU is also adequate.

Connor Ramirez
Connor Ramirez

I just feel sorry for these sick idiots who turn themselves into mutants.
The upside is they're not able to breed so while I may have to suffer this idiocy, my children won't.

Jaxson Perry
Jaxson Perry

there is only men and women. Rest of the crap needs to be dumped from this nice helpful planet.

Charles Harris
Charles Harris

likely other than the gender confusion the person is healthy and not suffering.

the funny thing is if its classified as a mental disorder then a sex change is likely going to be the cure so whats the difference anyways. also now you have an argument that the sex change is a type of therapy and could be covered by government assistance.

you people don't think shit through do you

Brandon Garcia
Brandon Garcia

Google gender dysphoria. It's an actual psychological disorder that can be successfully (sic!) treated.
But the progressives reject that - even to the extent of treating the idea of therapy as offensive. For example, recently I've seen a person on Quora complaining that their answers detailing their experience with successful gender dysphoria were removed due to 'violation of site's policy'.
Let that sink in: a person with gender dysphoria was denied the right to speak about it because her experience was contrary to the widely held views.

Levi Hernandez
Levi Hernandez

not you

Noah Taylor
Noah Taylor

the funny thing is if its classified as a mental disorder then a sex change is likely going to be the cure

That's a bit of a leap.

Therapy
Checking and correcting abnormal hormone levels
CBT
education

Nah fuck all that stuff just slice up my cock and cram it up my gooch... That'll fix everything.
There is actually a promising medication that completely removes a persons wish desire to transition if taken. It's a psychological issue that can and should be remedied with therapy and medication where possible.

Nathan Garcia
Nathan Garcia

What makes someone more competent than me, thinking human being?

Aaron Campbell
Aaron Campbell

Because:

1) It's not treatable. Homosexuality at least. Gender dysphoria can be treated to a degree, but in many cases it's healthier to help these people transition into their presumed gender. Even so, treatment is only necessary in cases where the identity crisis causes the patient significant mental distress.

2) The vast majority of them are perfectly functional members of society. If a disease cannot be treated and it's not a threat to the subject or the people around them, then we do what we can as a society to allow them to integrate into it.

3) No one gives a shit about what is "normal". Thirty years ago, you were ostracized for being a "geek". Now that computers and tabletop games are party of virtually everyone's daily lives, no one cares anymore. Being "normal" doesn't mean shit. We don't institutionalize people for not being normal.

4) Just to top this off, there are plenty of other mental diseases out there that don't necessarily require treatment (like lesser cases of depression, bipolar disorder, etc.). We don't force treatment onto people who don't want it unless they're a danger to themselves or to others.

Don't take this to mean that I don't think some of the bullshit new-age liberal shit isn't out of control. I do. But you're blowing things out of proportion here.

Eli Harris
Eli Harris

I know it is and transition not only isn't the only treatment it's not a cure at all, these mentally ill faggots still have the same suicide rates after transitioning, about 70%, the whole gender bullshit the left seems to be peddling doesn't make sense.

James Russell
James Russell

Liberals seem to ignore these numbers. And instead of leaving these people be as their miserable mentally-ill selves they instead choose to impose unhealthy norms upon the rest of society causing THEM to develop problems of their own.

Grayson Allen
Grayson Allen

Well clearly it's social pressure that causes their massive suicide rates to remain the same before or after they have been "cured". Transition is honestly applicable to a small percentage of the already small percentage of confused homos. This is the only mental illness where psychiatrists and physicians do more harm than good, imagine not treating a paranoid schizophrenic, yeah the little green people are talking to you you need to go murder children

Carter Rivera
Carter Rivera

Because some people benefit from it politically.

Jason Nelson
Jason Nelson

it's healthier to help these people transition into their presumed gender
AKA selling them the lie that cosmetic surgery, genital mutilation and hormone pills can make you into something you are not.

Luke Adams
Luke Adams

homosexuality
Not a mental disorder. Pure heterosexuality is an invention of recent culture.

transsexuality
A mental disorder, but tranny groups have entrenched themselves into gender politics just to make things difficult.
They claim the only "treatment" for their disorder is radical body altering surgery and that any attempt to cure the illness is cis scum transphobia

Jaxson Anderson
Jaxson Anderson

What's with the trans- and the homo-? Sexuality is sexuality. Never has been black and white. OP is fifty shades of gay.

Joseph Wood
Joseph Wood

It's quite sad that they throw these clearly mentally ill people under a bus, because it doesn't suit their agenda to actually have a study into the cause of their horrific suicide rate. They know that if it turns out that societal pressures are minor to insignificant, they will actually have to start treating them as people with a problem, not their personal weapons to shout down dissent.

Brody Bell
Brody Bell

Liberal hippie spotted.

Zachary Gutierrez
Zachary Gutierrez

As opposed to your garden-variety conservative hippie, such as Denny Erokan.

Isaac Rodriguez
Isaac Rodriguez

[citation needed]

This is the problem with the internet. Everyone vents their opinion as truth.

David Brown
David Brown

So why isn't it changing now, when literally any retarded whale can gather its personal support circle?

Why aren't the suicide rates of nerds as high? They often have to endure bullying not only from their classmates, but often from families as well.

What about pornstars/escort workers? They are looked down upon by society, ostracized, and yet their suicide rates are nowhere near to those of trannies.

The list could go on, but you get the idea.

Why are lesbians as likely to develop mental issues as gays, even though they are more tolerated than homosexual men?

What about transabled people? They feel a strong urge to lose some part of their body; should this also considered to be healthy behavior and not a part of serious mental disorder?

Easton Turner
Easton Turner

No, simply allowing them to get closer to what they believe they should be in order to lessen their anxiety. There's not a doctor out there who's gonna tell their patient "you can totally be a girl/boy if you want" and these treatments are never recommended lightly. The patients are always made to understand that this is a treatment of symptoms and not a cure.

This is Sup Forums, not webmd. All of what I've said is verifiable, but I don't give enough of a shit to look for case studies just to soothe your petty little mind. You're free to believe whatever the fuck you want, I'm not the goddamn Inquisition.

Josiah Phillips
Josiah Phillips

but in many cases it's healthier to help these people transition into their presumed gender. Even so, treatment is only necessary in cases where the identity crisis causes the patient significant mental distress.
Their suicide rate shows that current methods aren't working

2) The vast majority of them are perfectly functional members of society.
Gay people, certainly. Gender Dysphoria is mental illness by definition.
If a disease cannot be treated and it's not a threat to the subject or the people around them, then we do what we can as a society to allow them to integrate into it.
Again, their suicide rate shows they clearly are suffering to a staggering degree.

3) No one gives a shit about what is "normal". Thirty years ago, you were ostracized for being a "geek". Now that computers and tabletop games are party of virtually everyone's daily lives, no one cares anymore. Being "normal" doesn't mean shit. We don't institutionalize people for not being normal.
Fewer and fewer gay people suffer societal problems not because of annoying screeching from talking heads, but that most people are realising that they're pretty much the same aside from their lack of desire/desire for cock. To contrast, Trannies not in the 1% of passable can be seen as pretty clearly different from a glance.

4) Just to top this off, there are plenty of other mental diseases out there that don't necessarily require treatment (like lesser cases of depression, bipolar disorder, etc.). We don't force treatment onto people who don't want it unless they're a danger to themselves or to others.
Again, the suicide rate. The fact that they're willing to permanently mutilate themselves is a pretty big indicator that everything's not all ok upstairs.
People that have delusions of being Admiral Nelson who want to cut off their arm and gouge out their eye would certainly be institutionalized.

Colton Baker
Colton Baker

Their suicide rate shows that current methods aren't working

Suicide rates are not a measure of success of the treatments. Regardless of what procedures they undergo, these people will never truly feel normal, so it's easy for them to slip into depression. Like I said, the treatments are not an actual cure.

Gender Dysphoria is mental illness by definition.

And that doesn't make them any less functional members of society. Not counting those whose extreme dysphoria causes crippling anxiety and/or depression.

Again, their suicide rate shows they clearly are suffering to a staggering degree.

Some do, most don't. I won't argue that the suicide rates aren't high in the trans community, but the numbers are often exaggerated to extremes. The "40% suicide rate" statistic is basically equivalent to the "1 in 4 women get raped" statistic.

To contrast, Trannies not in the 1% of passable can be seen as pretty clearly different from a glance.

Point being? I hate repeating myself but:
We don't institutionalize people for not being normal.

People that have delusions of being Admiral Nelson who want to cut off their arm and gouge out their eye would certainly be institutionalized.

Not necessarily. These conditions can and are managed.

David Hughes
David Hughes

This is Sup Forums, not webmd. All of what I've said is verifiable, but I don't give enough of a shit to look for case studies just to soothe your petty little mind. You're free to believe whatever the fuck you want, I'm not the goddamn Inquisition.

Hey, it's you who made really bold claims.
For one I see around /lgbt/ how people just push each other forward by circlejerking and how abundant the amount of "want to suicide" posts is by those who have already transitioned.

Easton Myers
Easton Myers

it IS treated as a mental disorder
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John Lewis
John Lewis

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Xavier Long
Xavier Long

Why trans-sexuality/homosexuality isn't treated as mental disorder if it clearly is one?

Actually it IS treated as a mental disorder by those who seriously have it.

The problem is that nowadays there's a fuckton of tumblerinas and other sjw faggots who identify as trans without actually being trans.

Just go to youtube and search for Blaire White. Pic related. It's a tranny who's honest about what she is and tells it the way it is.

Dominic Evans
Dominic Evans

trans is beautiful
so much better than normal bitchy retarded females

William Roberts
William Roberts

youtu.be/rnQbgShb6r8

Isaac Smith
Isaac Smith

I feel like most people don't understand that transitioning generally doesn't change the societal conditions of these people in any way. The treatments are meant to improve how the patients feel about themselves, but it doesn't change how other people feel about them. Getting a pair of tits won't make people treat you like any less of a freak. This is the main reason why suicide rates don't really decrease by a significant margin for people who have undergone these treatments.

Studies have actually shown that suicide rates for trans people who aren't treated any differently from "normal" people don't really vary much from the so-called "normal" people either.

Aaron Gutierrez
Aaron Gutierrez

i personally see it as a double fun female without all the pesky womens needs adn there is less concurrency with womens ! what do u want more u dumb puiece of shit ?

Carter Ortiz
Carter Ortiz

without all the pesky womens needs

You obviously don't know any trannies because they're way more needy than actual women.

It's so much easier to date a woman, you'd have be a hardcore faggot and seriously love the cock to put up with all the drama and bullshit that dating a tranny brings.

Kevin Cook
Kevin Cook

see

Unfortunately, this is true in most cases.

As fun as it sounds not having to deal with female drama, you won't find that with transgender women. Their mood is generally all over the place.

But if you can find yourself a passable cross-dresser, you can totally have that. Good luck with that though. Also, that makes you 100% gay.

Samuel Perez
Samuel Perez

no im not into cross-dressers

Caleb Carter
Caleb Carter

its really sad to hear that

Xavier King
Xavier King

Then we're just agreeing that mutilating yourself actually doesn't really solve the issues; which is what's getting put as.

Sebastian Murphy
Sebastian Murphy

How unfortunate for you. There are plenty of feminine sissies out there who can't wait to be stuffed full of fat cock.

Carson Butler
Carson Butler

Sissies are way better for fucking than trannies.

Trannies are all messed up in the head. They want you to "treat them like women" and love them and care for them and all the other complicated shit...

Sissies just wanna dick to bounce on.

Sebastian Sanchez
Sebastian Sanchez

mutilating yourself actually doesn't really solve the issues

Of course not, no one claims that, except maybe some heavily left-leaning media.

It doesn't solve the patients' societal issues, but it does allow them to function more comfortably in day-to-day lives.

With continued psychotherapy, further advances in medicine, and a more accepting society, we'll eventually allow these people to function normally, but as of right now, the status quo isn't changing much and liberals forcing certain issues isn't helping.

Agreed.

Jacob Gray
Jacob Gray

I'm pretty sure it's not transitioning the help they need, but something entirely psychological.

I never quite understood the "gender dysphoria". I've never identified myself as anything, be it man or woman. The body is just a vessel. I could wake up being a woman tomorrow and I wouldn't want to change it.

I'm completely certain it'd be way more effective to convince them to accept themselves as they are instead of pushing their delusions which will just lead them to being unhappy.

Cooper Bennett
Cooper Bennett

Maybe I've just played a wide range of characters on RPGs. Maybe that's all trannies need.

Jaxon Butler
Jaxon Butler

Consensus

Charles Reyes
Charles Reyes

I could wake up being a woman tomorrow and I wouldn't want to change it.

Maybe. Maybe not. You'll most likely never know. I can imagine myself being totally chill waking up as a t-rex tomorrow and it doesn't mean squat.

You might be perfectly comfortable roleplaying female characters, but you have no idea how I'd feel if you actually got stuck as a woman. Maybe you'd celebrate getting the chance to play life on easy mode. Maybe you'd go out of my mind with mood swings and different thought processes.

You can imagine how it'd feel all you like and there's simply no way to know for sure.

James Stewart
James Stewart

Its not.
No one, reality is objective and an organic systems' ability to navigate the objectivity of reality is one of the main testing phases of if a thing is non-orderly.

tl;dr - traps aren't gay, feminine penis

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