QB makes a 2 yard pass

>QB makes a 2 yard pass
>receiver catches it and runs 80 yards for a touchdown using his skill to evade defenders
>QB gets credited with an 82 yard pass and a touchdown
explain this amerifats

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Catchers get credited for it too, bongmaster. See Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and Gronkowski

I know, but why does the QB deserve credit? I wonder how QBs' stats would look if it didnt count yards after catch.

McNabb was the king YAC babby

Simply, he had the foresight and ability to get it to the man that could do the most with it.

Example that a Brit could understand, Gen. Montgomery planned and trained his men to the point that he could win the 2nd Battle of El Alamein. Did he fire a shot? Was he in any danger of being shot? Or did the soldiers do their job and he got the credit for the win?

Stop being an idiot. You are making Americans look smart. It's sad.

>that flag
>this topic

Stick to soccer Mohammed

He made the pass, bonglord.

Catchers who had done jack if the qb didnt threw it

Good strategy

>catchers
>catchers

in all honesty, its probably to stop stat padding.

insecure

But he threw it 2 yards, not 82 yards into the endzone. I can see why the QB would get credit if he threw someone open because he then set up the yards after catch, but the QB doesn't deserve credit for throwing it at someone who uses his own skill to gain yards by juking defenders etc. The stat recorders should account for this tbŐ°

I didnt wanted say wr, te, and etc. You boypussi

Just say receiver, who the fuck says catcher in football?

What kind of retarded thread is this? By this stupid faggot's logic JaMarcus Russell and Mike Vick would be the best Qbs of all time because all they can do is throw it deep.

Because he gave them the ball.

All that fancy move dont mean shit if the catchers doesnt have it.

Also certain qb do plan for some of their elite catchers to do these things, hence the qb throwing the ball to them

Plus i think they have a stat for that, called yard after catch or some shit like that.

One 80 yard touchdown isn't going to drastically impact any significant statistics. A shitty QB will regress to the mean.

simmer down

I'm not saying the QB shouldn't get credit for passing the ball, but he shouldn't get credit for additional yards gained on the receiver's back. At a certain point the yards should stop counting as receiving/passing yards and become rushing yards for the receiver

>Also certain qb do plan for some of their elite catchers to do these things
You're reaching if you're implying that the QB had anything to do with a receiver making a bunch of defenders miss tackles because he threw to the guy knowing he's good at breaking tackles. That's not hard and shouldn't factor into the stats.

It's an extreme example but it happens on a smaller scale multiple times per game, some QBs wouldn't have half as impressive numbers if they didn't have elite receivers who they could just throw a checkdown to and get their stats padded when they run for a bunch more yards afterwards.

so many times its the receiver creating his own space

A better question is why doesn't a qb get negative yards from picks

Okay, so what's you solution then? Have some guy review every catch and dole out yards based on his opinion?

Seems like the way the NFL does out now is the best way, at least to me

It becomes far too situational to tell how much was the QB and how much was the receiver. If a QB hits a receiver in stride allowing him to burn past a defender with a simple move, the QB is doing his job. The same receiver on the same play that has to, say, reach back for the ball because it didn't hit him in stride may get creamed by the same defender. A lot of what a receiver can do has to do with ball placement by the QB. Shitty ball placement often leads to shit YAC good ball placement can amke receivers who don't have great hands but do have great speed look like superstars.

>He made the pass, bonglord.

The pass that was only 2 yards.

There's a stat that sort of shows this, it's called like air yards or something

Btw this is how Brees won his passing title, dump offs to sproles

The saints literally never ran the ball

I'm no statistician but with all the computers and shit these days keeping track of more advanced stats like this shouldn't be a problem

>dump off to sproles
>running play

It should also be noted that they do differentiate in the stats between a QB's passing yards gained after the catch, how many passes he completed at different distances and the like. This can give everyone a snapshot of how the QB thrives in different situations. A QB that can consistently throw the ball 40 yards down field but often throws interceptions or gets his receiver annihilated isn't going to be as good as one that consistently throws sharp passes into coverage and allows his team to move down the field. It's more useful to everyone to cont YAC for both the receiver and the QB for the same reasons that assists are counted in so many other sports. Setting your teammates up for success is more important than just heaving the ball down field and praying.

THE PRE-SNAP READ

Respect Bill Walsh .

>tf
>tt

Foreigners (besides Canada) should never have an nfl team

QB yards != WR yards.

There is a reason Bill chose a quick twitch brainiac from Notre "our standards are high" Dame

They do keep track of it, that's why you see YAC -Yards After The Catch, listed. It's a very important stat as it tells you a lot about what your QB and receivers are consistently doing well.

it's a lot like how offensive lines get a lot of credit for how well the runner does. Without a good offensive line, the runner would constantly get stuffed at or before the line. Sure, they aren't running the ball but they are a massive part of the runner's success.

>You're reaching if you're implying that the QB had anything to do with a receiver making a bunch of defenders miss tackles because he threw to the guy knowing he's good at breaking tackles. That's not hard and shouldn't factor into the stats.

Good QBs lead their receivers into open space with their throws. I'll draw up an example for you.

If the throw is in the red area, it's probably an incompletion. If it's in the yellow area, it's probably a catch, but the receiver won't be able to make a move on the defender and he'll get tackled. If it's in the green area, the receiver can make the catch and continue upfield in a single motion. It's no coincidence that the teams you posted have some of the best quarterbacks in the league.

Walsh would have loved Russell Wilson by the way. He would had of had a draft grade on Brady, but the fuck he would have actually pulled the trigger.

>King moves one square to the left
>Knight develops itself and hops all over the board using its skill to evade opposing pieces
>Rook moves once and gets credited for the checkmate

explain this nordfags

I acknowledged that the QB can often set up the yards by throwing someone open earlier in the thread, but my point is that whether it was the QB or receiver generating those yards should be taken into account somehow

That's why football needs more advanced stats and to list them in the box score. It's a simple enough sport to fit them all and no stat would be overwhelming nonsense like a good chunk of baseballs

It is, as a bunch of people have said, YAC is a thing that's tracked along with how far a QB's passes travel in the air.

There are shittons of advanced stats in football. They aren't listed in the box score usually but you can go to plenty of sites that will give you the break down. That's why you hear annoucers say things like, "So-and-so has the most completed passes that traveled more than twenty yards in the air this season."

>dump offs to sproles
Greetings from the future, my Canuckian friend. I suggest you bet big on the Broncos to win Super Bowl 50.

But that's not what I'm talking about. I don't mean eliminating YAC altogether, I mean distinguishing between YAC caused by the QB and the receiver. If it's caused by the receiver the QB shouldn't have those yards/touchdowns added to his stats.

ESPN's QBR tries do that, but honestly over the course of an entire season those things will sort themselves out for the most part. The only people who could tell you who was truly responsible for what are probably the coaches and the Quarterback himself.

The problem is, how can you possibly determine this? If a QB hits a receiver in stride and the receiver breaks a tackle, who do you give the yards to? Did the QB make this happen or the receiver? The answer is, both, that's why they both get credit. How would you suggest going about determining who gets credit?

>QB throws screen pass and receiver sheds tackles to make a 50 yard gain
Result: 1 passing/receiving yard and 49 rushing yards for receiver

>QB throws to wide open receiver who runs for a 60 yard touchdown
Result: 60 passing/receiving yards and 1 passing/receiving touchdown

>QB throws 15 yards to a receiver in tight coverage who is immediately tackled but breaks the tackles and runs an additional 10 yards
Result: 15 passing/receiving yards and 10 rushing yards for receiver

>QB throws 5 yards to wide open receiver who runs for an additional 10 yards, jukes a defender, then runs another 8
Result: 15 passing/receiving yards and 8 rushing yards

Just a few examples, like I said I'm not statistician but with all the technology that goes into recording stats there's no reason why they couldn't develop some sort of algorithm for it. Basically at whatever point the receiver has to use his own skill to create the yards, be it by using fancy footwork or raw power to break a tackle, the yards should stop being counted as passing/receiving yards and start being counted from that point as rushing yards/touchdowns for the receiver.

How about the very common:

>QB throws into tight coverage, receiver breaks a tackle because the pass was on the money.

Does the QB get no credit for leading his receiver in tight coverage and putting the ball where only he can catch it and then break tackles because he was able to catch it in stride?

With what you're suggesting, a QB who perfectly leads his receiver, allowing him to break a tackle, should get no more credit for YAC than a QB who throws it behind the receiver and the receiver gets annihilated on the spot.

>sacks factor into a QB's rushing yards in college but not NFL
Shouldn't in either desu

Agreed, unless the QB tucks the ball and is running, sacks shouldn't count as lost running yards.

it's called YAC idiot.

any retard can look at the WR stats for a given QB and figure out how many yards that QB actually threw the ball in the air for.

is this too difficult for you?

If the receiver didn't have the skill to break that tackle no extra yards would have been gained so it's still on the receiver. If the QB threw him open perfectly he wouldn't have to break a tackle in the first place.

Read the thread before you shitpost thanks

never.

and I did read the thread afterwards, it seems you refuse to listen to me or the other dozen people carefully explaining what a fucking idiot you are

>If the receiver didn't have the skill to break that tackle no extra yards would have been gained so it's still on the receiver.

Not true, ball placement by the QB can force the defender to fail to tackle the receiver more than any skill the receiver might have at breaking tackles. It is extremely situational and any broken tackle might result from a culmination of factors.

>If the QB threw him open perfectly he wouldn't have to break a tackle in the first place.

Also not at all true. A receiver's ability to run crisp routes has a HUGE effect on whether a defender can get a hand on him or not. A sloppy route by the receiver can lead to the QB having to fit the ball into a tight spot. You can't just blame the QB every time a defender touches the receiver.

The anons defending credit given to the quarterback for short passes seems flawed imo.
Imagine Busquets being given the credit for this Messi goal, youtube.com/watch?v=UXtiWLPbXIM
Or xavi given credit for this one, youtube.com/watch?v=WkqecpHcIPw
I get it when the pass is something special like this, youtube.com/watch?v=uUksQSAicrc
Idk though, I might be going about it the wrong way when comparing it to football (soccer).

The best way to compare the two is to consider YAC given to the QB like an assist being given to the guy who passed to the striker who scored. Both guys get something on the stat sheet to show their contribution to the play.

>keeper randomly boots ball up field
>somehow defenders go full retard and let opposing striker get ball and score
>keeper gets assist

explain this yuros

>nba
>literally just hand the ball to someone
>he dribbles and shit for 10 seconds then makes a contested jumper
>counts as an assist
>feed the ball to the big man inside
>he gets fouled just as he was shooting
>makes both free throws
>the guy who passed the ball doesn't get the assist despite the outcome being two points thanks to his pass

explain this amerifats

Take this for example

youtube.com/watch?v=8p315WTL4cw

Watch how the quarterback waits until the defenders are nearly on top of him before making the throw. He's moving backwards, and probably can't even see the guy he's throwing it to at that point, yet the pass is perfect and now all the guy who caught the ball has to do is run in a straight line.

>bitch bitch bitch

>dribbles for 10 seconds

An assist is counted if it impacted the play and allowed the player to score. Usually more than 3 dribbles makes it not an assist, or shit like melo where he holds the ball for a certain amount of time

It's why passing yards aren't that big of a deal.

You're an idiot

But then take for example matt stafford throwing 30 yards into triple coverage to megatron, who outleaps his de, breaks two tackles, then goes another 50. Stafford is credited for an 80 yard dragon

Here's another

youtube.com/watch?v=H08r_GMnmOc

Absolutely perfect throw, the guy who catches it just has to run for days.

They don't credit the blockers either. Doesn't that bother you?

Only morons think assists are a worthwhile stat, pooinloo.

I remember when I was a kid and didn't understand the sport I'd read about a 99 yard touchdown and thought the QB threw it 99 yards in the air.

Yeah. Why are you guys on qbs dicks so hard. A qb throwing his man open is one thing, but completely different than a qb throwing up a wounded duck wobbla and fucking randy moss one handing it, or throwing a quick screen and T.O. turning a two yard play to a 30 yard TD because he ran through and past two dedenders

Yeah that was a good pass. The blockers did their bit as well.

I wasn't even implying that though.

The point is if you throw enough ducks, the majority of them are going to get intercepted and that will be reflected in your stats. I can go to Vegas, keep pounding 0 on the roulette table and when it finally hits they're not going to tell me "We're not giving you credit for that one because you're playing stupid". When I leave the casino with $10,000 less than I came in with that will be proof enough that I was stupid.

>Oline creates massive gap for running back to get 20 yard run
>Oline gets no credit

>Oline gives Rodgers 10 seconds to finally decide to throw the ball
>zomg Rodgers is so elite!

Big white guys get no credit.

The Packers have great pass protection but Rodgers has shown plenty of times that he's not just a pocket passing QB, he dances around all the time and misses tackles. A lot of his great throws are made from outside the pocket, if I remember right no other QB even comes close to his numbers outside the pocket. A better example would be somebody like Drew Brees.

But I agree in general, the oline gets very little credit. Especially when it comes to running backs.
>running back just stands behind the line waiting
>oline manages to open a big hole
>back runs straight through it and gets 50 yards without being touched
>wow what an amazing run from the running back!
I imagine that linemen get a lot of love from the team itself in the locker room and such, but it would be cool if they were given more attention in the game by commentators etc. How many "die-hard" team fans even know the names of the team's linemen?

>Oline gives Rodgers 10 seconds to finally decide to throw the ball

Got that one backwards Padraig. Defenses don't come after Rodgers as hard because they would rather have him stay in the pocket.

gotta glorify the QB. nfl is a business and needs superstars that people get personally attached to

Aaron Rodgers is the GOAT check down babby where his receivers do all the work and he does nothing. Brees is up there too.

For the millionth fuckin time it's a team sport.

>soccer player A completes a short pass to soccer player B at midfield
>soccer player B jukes the entire enemy team and scores a goal
>soccer player A is credited with the assist
Works both ways bongfag

a white guy taking credit for a black guys accomplishments

welcome to America

>a bunch of retarded Euros try to analyze football
>hurr durr throwing it 80 yards is better than throwing it 2 yards hurr durr

Have you guys ever even touched a football in your lives?

Look at the field of play. Within 5-10 yards of the line of scrimmage is contained like 95% of the players.
If you make a 2 yard pass you are throwing into a high traffic area.
Retarded memesters may be impressed with slanging it 60 yards but the short to intermediate passing game is way fucking harder.

Except literally nobody takes assist stats seriously at all whereas passing yards are one of the key stats used to compare QBs.

>utterly missing the point

Rushing is running the ball from behind the line of scrimmage. You couldn't count any type of after catch yards as rushing yards.

You're an idiot

The NFL needs recognizable faces for their franchises and the way football is played (it's harsh and as a result, rosters and turnovers are huge) it's better to hype up QB's through stat padding (Payton Manning being the perfect example of this), since they're more likely to stick around, than a RB or lineman who may or may not retire after a measly 3-5 years.

also, QB's are generally intelligent, well-spoken individuals (you don't need to be a rocket scientist to excel at it but above average intelligence is probably required at the national level, lots of stuff to memorize), since it's the only position where being a roided up nigger won't be an advantage and are thus more marketable.

The NFL even changed the rules a while back (Ty Law rule) in order to allow QB's to get the spotlight and easily surpass the ones from the past.

here if the receiver of the pass dribbles past a defender ot doesnt count as an assist

the pass isn't like Iniesta randomly offloading it 350 times/games to the closest teammate whenever he gets pressured, it's the result of precise gameplanning, defense reading and perfectly timed teamplay, so whether it's 2 yards or 35, it's still remarkable.

This is probably the biggest aspect of american football european don't get, a pass isn't random, unless it's Rodgers hailmarying it out of desperation in the final moments of the game or something (and even then, it's debatable).

but A doesnt get an assist. Vid related, first didnt count as assist, second did.
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Look at this pass from Brees:

youtube.com/watch?v=FKveXCi5ELM

Cooks runs a ton of yards after catching the ball, however all the play revolves around the ability from Brees to throw it on the route of Cooks so that he does not have to stop or slow down.

It would be fun to see Tannehill getting exposed if they stopped counting yards after catch as passing yards tho, the only thing he is good at is throwing on draw plays.

>catchers
Next level trolling? Or retard?

Ultimately, it's because shit is messy. If a QB sees a player at 5 yards who is wide open and can run for much more and another player at 10 yards who can make a catch before getting smashed by four players, the QB should not get a better statline for making the better decision.

Literally how Tom Brady made his living

Most football fans would agree that QBs are overrated despite being at the mercy of their OL/blockers and to a lesser extent WRs to make plays. But delineating passing yards from YAC seems silly because the QB needs to read the defense to see if the pass is a good idea (e.g., does the QB think his receiver has a chance to beat a defender 1 on 1?) before throwing the ball.

this guy would get more credit

You're overthinking this a little bit too much. The only time your idea becomes relevant is when an elite qb is throwing to shit receivers or when an average qb is throwing to receivers that are excellent at breaking tackles. If the situation isn't one of the above two then the stats will almost always even itself out in the long run. I'd be more worried about how great o-lines can make average qbs look elite and vice-versa than something like this.

Brady throws short passes in perfect places to maximize YAC.

Shit fucks like Brock just throws it at the receiver instead of where he will be.

ITT bong retard disregards people explaining why he's a retard

>Plantation owner pays $200 for a slave
>Slave works 80 hours a week on plantation using his skill to pick cotton
>Plantation owner gets credit with $82 profit
explain this amerifats

QB's should get credit for rushing yards too, since they hand the ball to the RB.

Every passing stat will be obsolete within 1 season.

Bases loaded
Batter draws a walk without lifting the bat off his shoulder.

>RBI