Can someone explain why Obama was a bad president? I'm not from the US and so I fail to understand why everyone seems to hate him.
Trump is cool and all but Obama wasn't that bad.
Can someone explain why Obama was a bad president...
Kayden Lee
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Ryan Clark
Gr8 b8 m8
Noah Rogers
Nah, I'm serious
Connor Powell
I don't like him because of the war in Libya and the fact that he brought race into literally everything.
Anthony Lewis
neither one is bad. neither one wants the destruction of the USA. it's just polarizing politics that brings out the worst. honestly people in the government are retarded and don't look through the bills presented to them, they just decide to go with it or not based on their feelings tward the president or party. it's all retarded.
Jacob Campbell
obama didn't really get much done except for obamacare, which is a disaster
Jose Davis
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Henry Reyes
Everyone loves him here in America! We despise Donald Trump! Trump is an imbecile! A fucking dumpster fire!
Nicholas Bennett
The worst thing he did was continue vaporizing taxi drivers in conflicted areas. Besides that he was just another president who tried to fix things and mostly failed like all others
Julian Robinson
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Jace Rogers
obamacare is the best thing that happened to the us people in centuries
Josiah Russell
Then why did people vote for something completely different?
Anthony Williams
He wanted to ban private ownership of firearms
Andrew Long
>more riots than any other pres
>promised to pull the troops out as his first order
>didn't pull them out until he was up for re election
>pulled them out against all data/advisers telling him it was a big mistake
>essentially birthing isis
>some shit in libya
>some shit in egypt that gets no attention
>drones drones drones
honestly he gets blamed for shit that was eventually going to happen no matter what
hence the
>thanks obama
maymay
he's bretty gud imho, though that's probably because i'm comparing him to the more recent past presidents. and they're the real fuckups who severely fucked up not just america but the world as a whole
Gavin Richardson
he was an ok pres, but the country needed a great one that was willing to take chances and do big things. instead of this, obama was always just a cautious moderate aiming for middle ground.
Charles Thomas
They don't like him because he's black. Also, he's a politician.
Eli Morris
Because that are retards that think the ACA and Obamacare are two different things because they watch Faux News and read Breitbart.
Liam Peterson
Nigger your out of your fuckin mind
Jackson Hernandez
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Jace Butler
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Isaiah Long
While he had quite a bit of retarded legal ideas, he was honestly one of the best presidents we've ever had when it comes to public relations and social acceptance. Majority of the people that hated him we're the ones that actually got fucked or jewed by his policies, or the ones that just plain hate niggers cause they're racist.
Trump also has positives and negatives, but I don't wanna trigger the Alt Right faggots who mob this entire community.
Chase Sanders
he's not different from any of the "establishment" presidents. the only reason why people like him is because hes charismatic. he did the same shit that trump has been doing and only now are liberals angry about it
Liam Baker
Yeah, I think Obama is recognized by a majority in this country to have been a pretty good president. You are surfing on Sup Forums which has a higher-than-average proportion of ill-informed backwater-living alt-rightists.
Contrary to other commenters, I would say he rarely brought race into his politics. He may have been the first president to pay attention to issues of race at all, but that's understandable. He generally neglected racial issues and was criticized by the black community for being too white in some instances. They thought they were finally getting "their" president but he more or less governed as any democrat would have.
As for Obamacare, I agree it's got some problems, but the could be fixed if their were enough reasonable people in congress to do it. Personally, in my state, Obamacare made it so that I had to buy health insurance at a minimum of $320/month (without any subsidies, I pay full freight). Before Obamacare, if I wanted health insurance, it cost $570/month, but I wasn't required to buy it at all. So it depends on your perspective.
I thought involvement in Libya and Syria were both pretty ill-advised. Personally I lay the blame for those on Hillary, especially Libya. But I still voted for her.
Joseph Butler
>Voting for Hillary
Why?
Kevin Robinson
>promised change
>gave moar of the same
>???
>/thread
Dominic Butler
Welcome to the Internet Age. Every president the US has from here on out will be the worst ever.
Noah James
>He generally neglected racial issues and was criticized by the black community for being too white in some instances.
If I had a son he would look like Trayvon
Jackson Williams
He race baited all the time essentially taking a big shit on everything mlk did and causing further division. He also bailed out gm
Juan Ramirez
If you truly think that then you are clueless. The ACA raised premiums for every fucking person that can hold.
Ian Wilson
bank bailouts
doubled the national debt while achieving very little economic stimulus.
creation of Obamacare which increased fees and is likely unsustainable. Does nothing to tackle US's exorbitantly more expensive health care per capita compared to any other country.
almost everything foreign policy wise ("red line" in Syria, failure to address ISIS, supporting the Arab Spring which has led to the rise in power of anti-American politicians in the Middle East and furthering instability, lack of action on North Korea which has further led to the issues today, NSA spying caught by allies chipping away at US reputation with allies)
The list goes on and on. He inherited a shit position from Bush and a polarized Congress. Introducing unsustainable deficit spending and achieving nothing in terms of infrastructure development, progress in Afghanistan/Iraq, and weak economic growth (when the Feds refused to increase interest rates) is almost laughable.
Jordan Butler
Mostly because I thought that rewarding Trump for conducting the kind of campaign he did would permanently lower the level of political discourse in the country. Trump is a bully. Someone should have had the courage to stand up to him. (I'm looking at you, American voters!)
James Martinez
I'm Canadian and I would have voted for Trump.
Brayden Collins
He doesn't really identify with most blacks is the thing.
Julian Thompson
Yeah, Trump may make more sense in a less racially diverse country. What do you think about the Quebecoix?
Levi Hill
It's because he's black and not a conservative. If he was black and a conservative everything would be fine.
Luke Adams
Riots aren't really up to him, and birthing ISIS is just not true. Destabilizing Iraq brought ISIS.
Everything else though makes sense, especially droning.
Ian Long
>but voted for trudeau
are you just in love with the letter T?
Parker Thompson
> Trump is cool and all
Uhh........I'm afraid it's retarded.
Hudson Carter
obamacare essentially turned drug dealers into doctors
Leo Russell
bait
Christopher Morales
go suck a herring boris
Leo Williams
>Riots aren't really up to him
his actions directly lead to them.
>he could've been my kid!
the fuck did he think spewing this shit all over the nation was going to do
David Reyes
he's going down as one of the greats
Carson Stewart
hold? my premiums went down and my gf got coverage under her dad until she was 27
William Hernandez
Why Obama was a bad president (part 1)
Obama extends Patriot Act without reform
- [1] articles.nydailynews.com
Signs NDAA 2011 (and 2012, and 2013)
- [2] forbes.com
Appeals the Federal Court decision that “indefinite detention” is unconstitutional
- [3] activistpost.com
Double-taps a 16-year-old American-born US citizen living in Yemen, weeks after the boy's father was killed. Administration's rationale? He "should have [had] a far more responsible father"
- [4] washingtonpost.com
Continues to approve drone strikes that kill thousands of innocent civilians including women and children in Pakistan, Yemen, and other countries that do not want the US intervening; meanwhile,according to the Brookings Institute's Daniel Byman, we are killing 10 civilians for every one mid- to high- level Al Qaeda/Taliban operative. This is particularly disturbing, since now any military-aged male in a strike zone is now officially considered an enemy combatant
- [5] telegraph.co.uk
Protects Bush’s war crimes as State Secrets
- [6] [7] [8] salon.com
Charles Foster
>bank bail outs
he enacted frank dodd. wonder what's going to happen when trump bankrupts the economy, how bailouts will there be then
Ian Martinez
(part 2)
Waives sections of a law meant to prevent the recruitment of child soldiers in Africa in order to deepen military relationship with countries that have poor human rights records -[9] thecable.foreignpolicy.com
Appoints Monsanto, GMO company with multiple unsafe practice violations, lobbyist to head the FDA - [10] washingtonpost.com
DOJ raids marijuana dispensaries that are now legal pursuant state law - [11] liveleak.com
Obama protects AG Holder from Congressional “Fast and Furious” gun walking investigations - [12] abcnews.go.com
Engages in a war on whistleblowers - [14] dailycaller.com
Grants immunity to CIA torturers - [15] guardian.co.uk
Quadruples Bush's warrantless wiretapping program- [16] aclu.org
Logan Rodriguez
trump has caused more riots. he just caused an act of terrorism. that kid today essentially thought he ws trump, trust fund kid, no real parents, white and stupid. he did exactly what he thought trump would have done
Aiden Mitchell
(part 3)
Allows innocent man to die at gitmo - [17] huffingtonpost.com
Increases Drug War budget - [18] whitehouse.gov
Supports intrusive TSA pat-downs and body scans - [19] cnn.com
Says it’s legal to track individuals by pinpointing their cellphone without warrant - [20] businessinsider.com
Renews FISA and NSA’s unregulated spying and banking of all wireless communication - [21] [22] nytimes.com
Appeals SCOTUS ruling that warrantless installation of tracking devices on cars is unconstitutional - [23] thenewamerican.com
DOJ overzealously prosecutes [read: persecutes] activist Aaron Swartz, ultimately leading to his suicide in the face of trumped-up charges brought forth to silence his movement for open information - [24] rt.com
Obama nominates JP Morgan defense lawyer to head the SEC, the regulatory agency in charge of keeping Wall Street in line - [25] rollingstone.com
Dominic Diaz
Obamacare only benefited the poor - free healthcare. But middle class, the majority of us, had to pickup the tab for the free health care for the poor. Now if you don't have some type of health insurance throughout the whole year you are penalized with a fine. Nothing from the government is free. All is at the expense of us the taxpayers.
Michael Russell
you're an idiot
Wyatt Myers
It saved my life bro.
Gavin Myers
>become president
>isn't instantly forced to bend over for the military
they are controlled by these money hungry psychopaths
not the other way around.
Blake King
Please explain how bank bailouts didn't save the economy and doubled the national debt long term
Ayden Martin
He wasn't
We only have 2 parties here so the die hard followers either love or villainize whoever we have as president. The rest of us are just along for the ride and only notice then when they occasionally fuck shit up. Let's be honest, here in the USA, my kids are going to college whether we elected Trump or Hillary. The big things in life won't be affected by them.
Tho here are a couple things
The guy won a Nobel Peace prize for doing nothing more spectacular at that point in his career than looking more civilians by authorized drone strikes than anyone else in history
Took financial advice from the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae consultants and executives, 2 of our financial institutions that went under or got taken over with that economic collapse. People would vote him in because "he was good with the economy" rather than just sitting they liked the idea of a black president.
Still pretty pissed his party unconstitutionally enforced the health care act. I'm so fucking healthy I don't need it till I'm 50, but fuck it, every time the government does something that's good for me I somehow always end up paying them more money. All hail big government.
Hudson Williams
i get a bit annoyed when foreigners try to involve themselves in political debate. that being said. there's a bunch of reasons why. how-ever i really don't feel like going to negative place. i'll ist 3 reasons briefly. 1 obamacare. 2 drugs 3 climate agreement / tpp
Tyler Rogers
>Monsanto, GMO company
you farmers are retarded for saying shit about monsanto then having it sold to the germans. they're laughing at your dumbass for giving that up. GMO's make food cheap. dumb ass small time farmers wanted the corp guys put out of business
Liam Gutierrez
it's babies first time baiting, don't worry about it user. just ignore the retarded shitposter
Xavier Sanders
>rt.com
lay off the breitbart user. for fucks sake you quoted rt.com. not that your shit made any sense, this but kills all your credibility
Jeremiah Cooper
>historic low (actual) unemployment
>historic high national debt
>shipped more jobs overseas than created domestically
>domestic jobs created were part time, low pay, service industry jobs
>used media to appear to be doing the opposite of the above
>backed a party candidate and provided them assistance before the primary elections (cronyism)
List sorta goes on like that.
Everything you hate about politicians.
>spending more money than they have
>trading national resources for personal gain
>cronyism
>covering it alll up and not being accountable for their actions
Eli Long
>Then why did people vote for something completely different?
The Choice wasn't Obama or Trump. It was Hillary fucking Clinton or Donald 'the douche' Trump.
Jackson Reyes
>But middle class, the majority of us, had to pickup the tab for the free health care
fuck if you did, the rich paid for it. for fucks sake what did you think the 99% protests were al labout? getting hte rich to pay for obamacare
Jace Carter
every single one of his pro trump rallies are violent
Ethan Scott
Obama allowed Liberal Douchebags to double down on their douchebaggery.
America is sick of liberal douchebaggery.
America puts Trump in office.
Liberal Douchebags, again, double down on their douchebaggery.
Liberal Douchebags:
They're Douchebags....
and they can't learn.
Joseph Williams
>getting hte rich to pay for obamacare
lol no.
Lucas Ramirez
So i guess CNN, business insider, ny times, and white house do fucking gov is fake news to you guys.
>Tfw one "sketchy" link is Cherry picked out of the several credible ones that were posted
James Sanders
To his credit, the Obamacare offered to the poorest was of such bad quality that it quadrupled the black infant mortality rate.
Robert Phillips
While that's true, holy fuck do not deny he appointed a knowingly corrupt sociopath to head our FDA. Fucking thanks Obama
Also idk if they're laughing. They shouldn't be. Let's see, Monsanto seeds create foods with diseases, Bayer has the antidote.
But I'm sure they'll leave their beloved homeland out of it. Not like they travel or get their food from other countries or anything, right?
Parker Foster
>climate agreement / tpp
that's not one thing. 1. the restrictions placed on the climate accord created tesla, so it works to advance society 2. tpp, trump is about do attempt to go after china for the same thing this coming monday without 150 other fucking countries backing him
Jose Bell
>is attacked by violent leftists
>during election season trump had to keep away from several venues because of the violence occuring before his very arrival
leftytards are the most violent, likely because they know their neetbux are about to get fucked
Camden Brown
>I don't like him because of the war in Libya
Why did you like Gadaffi? Are you an Arab Socialist?
Wyatt Reyes
(part 4)
Picks Goldman Sachs partner Bruce Heyman—who, along with his wife, raised $1 million for Obama—as an ambassador to Canada - [26] cbc.ca
Candidate Obama on War in October 2007:
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank."
youtube.com
President-Elect Obama on Torture in Nov. 2008:
"Yes. I have said repeatedly that I intend to close Guantanamo, and I will follow through on that. I have said repeatedly that America doesn’t torture, and I’m going to make sure that we don’t torture. Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America’s moral stature in the world."
youtube.com
Obama's Failed Promise to Close Gitmo: A Timeline:
theatlanticwire.com
Obama (2007): "That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing but protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient."
Parker Howard
>fuck if you did, the rich paid for it. for fucks sake what did you think the 99% protests were al labout? getting hte rich to pay for obamacare
Jackson Scott
My healthcare costs quadrupled.
I make $65k in California.
Independent contractor.
Had my own insurance since 2002.
Carter Wood
obvious bait
Ethan Morales
(part 5)
Obama in 2007 disagrees with President Obama on War Powers Act:
youtube.com
Candidate Obama Debates the President on NSA, Privacy, and Civil Liberties:
"The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat" - Barack Obama, 2007
swampland.time.com
"...and I want to make it clear...if he takes this nation to war in Iran, without congressional approval, I will make it my business to impeach him." - Joe Biden Dec. 2007
Obama in 2014 SOTU: “America does not stand still – and neither will I. So wherever and whenever I can take steps without legislation to expand opportunity for more American families, that’s what I’m going to do."
Obama in 2008: "George Bush [is] trying to bring more "more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that's what I intend to reverse when I'm president..."
youtube.com
CANDIDATE OBAMA:
Obama pledges Net neutrality laws if elected president (29 October 2007)
He asked Obama: "Would you make it a priority in your first year of office to reinstate Net neutrality as the law of the land? And would you pledge to only appoint FCC commissioners that support open Internet principles like Net neutrality?" "The answer is yes," Obama replied. "I am a strong supporter of Net neutrality."
cnet.com
Brody Gray
because it was a clear subversion of congressional approval for a war
while completely fucking an entire country
pretty sure they still haven't created a government since gadaffis unfortunate end
Jonathan Watson
Untrue. Sometimes they literally are not given the time to read through bills, most recent example is how Mitch MCconnel drafted that health care plan and even once it was presented on the floor there was only 1-2 days I think to read through it before the vote and most republicans and Democrats alike couldn't tell you anything about it outside of what Mitch MCconnel told them.
Usually the committees that help draft the bills have a good couple Democrat and republican representatives and those representatives will relay what's in the bills to the party members so they don't have to read the bill itself.
I would find this fine if partisan politics wasn't so fucked up where the people drafting the bill will most likely lie or exaggerate certain things in the bill when told to their party members, and then we have both sides calling each other liars.
Caleb Thompson
(part 6)
PRESIDENT OBAMA:
FCC's new net neutrality proposal is even worse than you think.
FCC: When a lobbyist is named head of the agency that regulates the industry he represented, perhaps we shouldn't be surprised if he acts in the best interests of his former employers.
mercurynews.com
Candidate Obama on Debt in July 2008:
"The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic."
youtube.com
Senator Obama (2006) on Debt Ceiling:
“Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.”
Obama's "Grand Bargain"
Obama's Grand Bargain includes:
lowering corporate tax rate from 35% to 28%
nytimes.com
Substantial cuts in SS, Medicare, and Medicaid
uspolitics.about.com
Grayson Foster
I'm paying 4x as much for healthcare.
No change in coverage.
Where's all that cash going?
Why is it illegal for me to stop participating in the scam?
I'm a middle class working guy.
>muh 99%
William Taylor
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Ian Bennett
>Monsanto seeds create foods with diseases
GMO is safe shit for brains
Cameron Ortiz
Every president did good and bad, for me what made me dislike and distrust Obama was when he said something along the lines of "i don't have all the facts but i believe the police acted stupidly" and some other bs when a professor broke into their own domecile and the cops harshly arrested the man, who was black, after the man refused to give id or anything showing it's where he lived and fought back against the cops. I think it's what promped obama to have some white house beer summit, i think it was called.
Hudson Brooks
(part 7)(conclusion)
I'm neither a Democrat or a republican but to say that Obama was a great or even good president is nothing more than a lie.
Benjamin Davis
>leftytards are the most violent, likely because they know their neetbux are about to get fucked
obvious bait
Brody Barnes
Lockerbie doesn't bother you at all?
Owen Thomas
There's a lot of uninformed philosophical opposition to Obama, and a lot of uninformed philosphical support for him as well. The fact is that more jobs were created under his presidency than any other in history, and Trump inherited the healthiest economy the US has had since 9/11. He deported more immigrants than any other prior president. He engaged in a more aggressive anti-terrorist campaign than any other president, and showed a greater willingness to engage in entraterritorial conflicts to pursue that aim than any prior president. He was good for business and border security and more hawkish than any conservative wants to admit. There's no reason for either side of the political spectrum to hold the opinions they have of him, but they see a "D" behind his name and have a kneejerk reaction of support or condemnation. It basically boils down to Americans not knowing or caring what politicians are actually doing and just rooting for their team. It's stupid tribalism.
Dylan Gutierrez
if your healthcare quarupled, it's bc your care was worse than fucking medicaid. you were too stupid to know you were being ripped off.
Jack Brown
I didn't mind him, but I also didn't adore him.
Overall he was a decent president, but also a bit of a puppet. I mean compare that to bush and just holy fucking wow.
things in 2000 were way better than 2008. 2008/2009 were fucking terible
2016 is better than 2008. It was even better than 2012, but he peaked in 13
his duties were done by that point, we didnt need 4 more years of that.
And we definitely didn't need another bush/ republican establishment type
He did bumble up ferguson tho. I lived there at the time and his response was analogous to bush and katrina, very innefective when he couldve been extremely effective. Race relations actually went backward from 2008-2016, big time
so by process of elimination
Justin Edwards
good goy, you NEED to pay more, or you're getting ripped off
James Walker
I'm not sure you know your history to well, or how civilizations work.
I mean indoor plumbing and sewage infrastructure alone is saving more lives at a much cheaper cost than any medical related bill you could ever pass. And considering the US is only 2.5 centuries old, you're saying Obamacare is the best thing that's ever happened to us. Ever.
Like fuck Independence and free speech, amiright? Ending slavery wasn't cool enough for your list? Fuck electricity or even the internet, or even our access to capital so we can invest and start a business on our own.
No no, this medical bill with half assed results is our crowning achievement. Future generations will learn about the mighty USA and Obamacare, and when the cities turn to ash, there will still stand monuments for aliens to find of our single greatest accomplishment. Obamacare.
Ryan Lewis
>Obama pledges Net neutrality
who the fuck passed net neutrality? stop with all your bullshit
Dominic Jenkins
Did Obama ever officially distance himself or come out against his old Pastor who went on racist anti white Rants and was famously quoted for saying "God damn America?"
Justin White
He didn't really accomplish much of any importance
His attempts to introduce universal healthcare were so shit that it probably killed it for the near future
His misguided gun control bullshit is as always frustrating and retarded
Race-baiting
Oliver Turner
holy shit not a conspiracy or anything south korea and isreal have put clauses burried deep in arms deal bills forcing us to give up defense tech.
Meanwhile the media has a cow when trump liaisons some off handed remark to a diplomat
Fuck
Alexander Price
this motherfucker is cut an pasting this garbage from brietbart
Jaxson Campbell
The legalese, making a bill 200 pages, paperclipping unrelated bullshit to them and giving ridiculous deadlines, while waiting to the very last minute to present it.
It's almost as if they made the system to favor gridlock.
Xavier Williams
He was good. Alt right cucks are retarded and don't know shit about the world.
William Ramirez
> race
America`s first black president
Noah Carter
He racked up more debt than all previous presidents put together