>Ronaldo playing terribly and clearly on the way out
>people try and say Messi is also declining and pretend both will bow out from top level football together
I see this all over and i don't understand. Messi is as good as ever, anyone who watches Barca games can clearly see he's still by far the BPITW. Is it just Ronaldo fanboys trying to make themselves feel better?
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Are you really not allowed to appreciate both players at once?
Besides aging bodies, they both don't have the real hunger for glory anymore.
Never said anything like that.
But now you bring it up, why should i or anyone who's not a RM fan appreciate Ronaldo exactly? Because he's not enjoyable to watch at all. There's nothing about him i'll miss when he's gone.
>being this deliberately partisan
He has entertained crowds around the globe, scored top class goals, caused controversy and delight (and won international titles) all whilst being a consummate professional. It seems like you're being obtuse for the sake of it
When will TSU say fuck it and become a full-time centre forward? He's probably in the best team to be a tap in master.
Messi will be the best in the world at least until he's 35.
>Messi is as good as ever
Messi has been declining for years now, he hit his peak in the 2010/11 season. he had a few other seasons when he put up similar stats but none carried the quality he had that season. and he struggled hard till Barca added Neymar and especially Suarez. he also regularly chokes in big games since then.
I used to be able to appreciate him, but his ego has overtaken his ability. it's not good to watch him being pentulent to his team-mates when he's not performing well either. his burst acceleration is going and his dribbling has been poor for a few years now so he isn't the most enjoyable to watch compared to someone like messi who can go past people with ease
They tried to sell there was an actual rivalry when Ronaldo was far away from Messi, now they'll try to sell this too.
Don't bother, most of these people don't watch much football and just like to shitpost
When will Enrique be sacked?
Messi is sick of dropping to the midfield to make up for Barca's current inept mids
Cris should just go to China, make 1 billion a day and try to get to the 1000th goals mark
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what did he mean by this?
What really annoys me is that he's actually quite good at supporting his team mates when he feels like doing it. I've seen him making good crosses or open up space, but 98% of the time he just says fuck it and try to score a blooter instead.
He really needs to reform his mentality. His hunger for glory becomes his undoing as it is.
ronaldo was fun to watch at man u and early madrid.
I don't think we've watched the same games lad, because he can barely pass it back to his teammate without spilling spaghetti everywhere.
He is without a doubt one of RM's worst players at the moment.
There has been reports saying he wasn't at training today and might not play on wednesday againt Napoli, and I think Madrid has a better chance to win w/o him, desu.
different people just have different criteria for assessing who's the best. your opinion is irrelevant because it's clearly biased. for instance:
>clearly on the way out
that's false. he just signed a 5 year contract.
>Ronaldo playing terribly
that's also incorrect, he's playing well, his numbers should be enough to shut you up:
28 goals and 7 assists this season.
>Ronaldo season
>playing terrible
you should leave your little island, brit, that much inbreeding is clearly affecting your mind
>It's the portupoor who defends anyone from his third world country
kys
>Stats are a valid criteria
This is probably the most accurate post i've seen on Sup Forums in over a year. Finally someone who has actually watched Messi regularly instead of saying shit based on highlights.
Kek maybe not in the gypsy shithole of spain/catalania (or w/e other irrelevant shit you choose to identify as)
>Messhit
>le why watch games, i have stats
I guess this is why big clubs spend months watching their new signings and you're posting in spee from your soviet apartment
no shit they already won everything and are considered as the best players currently playing
not in my book too, but when a player is playing at a highest level, with the numbers of Ronaldo, it cannot be denied, however you want to put it.
unless you want to argue football's objective is not scoring goals. if that's your argument then you're in worse shape than the brit, maybe his inbreeding is not so much of an issue after all
You faggots are adorable.
there's a world from saying cold stats are useless to footballs objective is not scoring goals
>anyone who's not a RM fan appreciate Ronaldo exactly
They don't. Some Real Madrid fans say Messi is the best but no Barcelona fans say the same about Ronaldo.
I'm not a fan of stats either. But if you want to argue a Real Madrid player with
>28 goals and 7 assists this season.
is playing terrible, then you're fucking crazy. It's that simple, son
>Can't even win a title with his national team
>messi
>manlet
>cant head
>awful at freekicks
>international choker
>muh passing sideways on the half way line
>tax fraud
>tattoos
>pizza n sprite
>ronaldo
>pure
>incredible athlete
>GOAT heading and freekicks
>vegetarian
>leads his national team to euro glory
>CL winner last year
>ballondor in the bag AGAIN
>gives lots to charity
>likeable brave single father
>Messi is sick of dropping to the midfield
Rakitic is there to provide the energy (which is needed) so it makes sense that Messi moves inside to create. Why don't English shitters understand this? They keep criticising Ibrahimovic for dropping into midfield too and think it hints at a weakness in that area.
Why? They're not carrying their teams. Is the same for Suarez, he's been pretty far from his top level this year and has some similar assists.
They're obviously better in those conditions than the 99% of players? Yes, but they play in stacked teams and many of those stats could have been done in similar numbers by other players in their position. Just watch any Madrid game and you'll see the impact on their game, is almost 0.
>unless you want to argue football's objective is not scoring goals.
The objective is to win the competitions you're in.
all that Ronaldo has against Messi 1on1 are stats, every time someone tries to compare the two of them they do so by crunching numbers, but if you watch the two of them play, Messi is without a doubt the better player, not only he has similar(and sometimes better) numbers than Ronaldo but also participates more in the build up play, he drops in the midfield and plays a role similar to Iniesta and he's still maintaining insane scoring and assist stats.
You faggots have cute butt-butts.
could, would, should, you're a fucking joke. RM has 20 something players in their squad, some of them the best footballers in the world. Reality is that it's Ronaldo who stacks those numbers
>is almost 0.
only the goals and assists, sure. almost zero.
>cant head
Who cares? Since when has this ever mattered. Nobody talked about Platini or Zico because they could head the ball.
>awful at freekicks
Messi is better than Ronaldo at this.
>international choker
Messi plays better for his national team than Ronaldo does.
>le i'm not a fan of stats
>look at this stats
Clearly not a single game watched.
Yes
they're different players, very different in fact.
>Messi is without a doubt the better playe
that's according to you, other people see it differently
>but also participates more in the build up play, he drops in the midfield and plays a role similar to Iniesta and he's still maintaining insane scoring and assist stats.
>Messi plays in a different way
We already established that, why are you repeating yourself. They're different players, they will always be different. Just accept that fact and stop bothering people
>Messi plays better for his national team than Ronaldo does.
played* and no he didn't. At least Ronaldo won a title with his national team. Messi couldn't handle the choking.
>At least Ronaldo won a title with his national team
Great contribution, shouting at the team from the sideline in the final like that.
you have difficulties with logic. it's alright, you're a "spaniard", so I get it.
What I say is that with his stats, one doesn't even need to watch, it becomes undeniable, it's enough for me to shut the conversation.
you're an idiot just for saying he's not playing well with those kind of numbers.
>3 goals against slav nations (couldnt score against fucking Iceland) and did not play the final
>only reason their team progressed was because of the shitty format
>won
Sorry can't hear you over the sound of him winning a title with his national team. Again, where's Messi's?
Move along people just some BAIT
>BPITW
This fucking reddit tier acronym
>those numbers
muh he's a towell seller like me so he's the best i don't need to watch anything
Look for the biggest spanish madrid community and say what you're saying here, they'll be laughing at you for months
they (payet) took him out in the final, that's true, it's somewhat of recurrent in international tournaments and superplayers like Ronaldo. Regardless, he led them to the final and the rest of the team finished the job.
He already is a full time tap-in merchant but his power and speed can be somewhat usefull on the wing.
Can we just move on to the next generation?
Im sick of these 2 faggets
Spaniard on holiday here
No one ever says this future talent could be the next donaldo, it's always the next Messi because anyone with functioning eyes can see Messi is on a level donaldo will never reach
Hang yourselves autists
Look at it this way, what if Silva or De bruyne had the same goal scoring capabilities than Aguero, who would you say is the better player?
There's no doubt that Ronaldo is one of the best today but also is hard to ignore that he is declining and becoming more and more one-dimensional while Messi is also declining but he's more complete.
>Suddently stats don't matter or prove anything
He's fucking awful as a cf. Everyone always says this but Ronaldo Needs Benzema more than any other player on the pitch. Benzema deals with centre backs attention so Ronaldo can do what he does.
You're just asking hypoteticals. try to remain in the real world, and ask a specific question, please.
>There's no doubt that Ronaldo is one of the best today but also is hard to ignore that he is declining and becoming more and more one-dimensional while Messi is also declining but he's more complete.
I don't see it, I see both players evolving and becoming even more different than they ever were, both are still fundamental to their teams.
One thing I noticed though, and it might prove me right on my theory Iniesta has been the key player of the great Barça years, is that with the reduced use of Iniesta this season, Barcelona have been struggling.
It will help explain the discrepency between Barcelona success and Argentina lack of success (and spain's success too).
Those that have been arguing Messi has been the most important player of super barça will have nothing to hang on to. let's just wait and see.
This.
Messi:
>scores goals at a high rate while also serving as his team's primary playmaker
>is the best passer/playmaker in the world
>is the best dribbler in the world
>his goals more often than not demonstrate incredible skill
>his assists more often than not demonstrate incredible passing skill
>seeks out his assisting teammate for hugs after scoring goals
>seeks out his goalscoring teammates for hugs after they score goals
>has had same beautiful girlfriend/wife since childhood, with whom he has produced offspring
>is a family man in his off time
>can still win the treble
Penaldo:
>scores goals at a similarly high rate by being almost exclusively a poacher
>is the most selfish ballhog in the world
>is a meme dribbler who can't break down defenses with his dribbling
>his goals are usually penalties or tap-ins
>his assists are usually simple short passes on the counter
>seeks out the nearest camera after scoring goals
>throws tantrums when his teammates score goals
>goes from beard to beard while producing surrogate children in order to avoid heterosexual intercourse
>spends most of his off time being an admitted homosexual, hanging out with muscular men and shopping for clothes while wearing a purse
>cannot still win the treble
He's not a center forward and he'll never will. he's adapting to a new role as a secondary striker, in which he is excelling and is expected to excel in the next few years. Of course he cannot be a nº9, he doesn't have the characteristics for it, he's a slim agile fucker, that's why he's been a winger all his career-
>Donaldo fans will try to deny this
in this real?
I will make this simple for you:
A player that contributes in the build up play and scores and assits a shit-ton is better than a player that scores and assists a shit-ton but doesn't contribute in the midfield.
It's simple, anyone knows this, you're just in denial. But I understand, you are portuguese, it must be hard being shit through the whole history of the sport and now that you are somewhat relevant you can't have your players being scrutinized. It's ok.
>It will help explain the discrepency between Barcelona success and Argentina lack of success
Is playing 3 major title finals in three years lack of success? Finals that btw were absolutely close or even dominated by Argentina?
Just by shit luck we're talking about all this stupid shit and not that Messi and the NT are 3 times champs. (And then Argentina and Messi would be TOTALLY GOAT 4EVER!!1! without a doubt, because that's the depth of analysis of some people)
>Reality is that it's Ronaldo who stacks those numbers
Of course since the system is built to pander to his goalscoring abilities, it's his use in the team to move and exploit gaps. And he's great at it, he's elite player. Messi on the other hand ordinates so well at different spheres of the game that puts him
in the bracket above the likes of Ronaldo. Only few players in the history of the game managed to articulate disgustingly good level of dribbling, scoring and passing skills.
pic related
>"The numbers say it all" Cristiano Ronaldo
everyone who argues that Cronaldo is better than Messi is baiting, everyone who doesn't realize this is a complete idiot
>A player that contributes in the build up play and scores and assits a shit-ton is better than a player that scores and assists a shit-ton but doesn't contribute in the midfield.
Nope, you're just making that up because it suits you. There's not a single football book that you can quote where that is written. Players have different roles because they're different and they're used in a different way because their managers think it's better for the team. The rest is just you making up rules because you think it makes you right.
>Who cares?
So if Messi can't perform an integral skill in his position then its okay but if Ronaldo can't dribble past 11 players, score from the halfway line and cure cancer within the opening 5 minutes then he's bad?
>Is playing 3 major title finals in three years lack of success?
If you don't win them, yes. By definition losing = lack of success. I'm not sure how to put this in a way you can understand it.. you are argentian in the end, so it's your cognitive skills that are lacking, not mine.
To the argentinian friend: He needs to do something like pic related. When he does, he can climb to the same level as Ronaldo. I'll give you that.
>winger
>integral skill
No.10s, the best players in the team, have never been renowned for their heading. It's not something that anyone judges a potential best player in the world/of all time on.
the arrogance of these people is mesmerizing.
How many international trophys does Missi have Mohammed?
this summer was actually fucking hillarious. they even made up an invitation tournament out of the blue just so the little one could have his "international tournament".
The little one failed, even with Brazil not taking it seriously and leaving neymar home. Messi jus needs to accept he's not at the same level as his "rival"
His best years were as a cf
If Ronaldo could organize the team from the midfield and start the plays he would, but he can't, again it's simple. Messi can, and also he's capable of scoring just like (if not better) than Ronaldo. And right there lies a huge difference, one player needs the team to feed him opportunities to score, the other creates said opportunities and also can score. If you don't understand this, then you're just ignorant.
...
Great. Who gives a shit? Was Shearer better than Henry? Or Batistuta better than Ronaldo? Batistuta was good in the air but people don't rate him because of that, they rate him because of his long shots from distance. Like I said, nobody gives a fuck about heading.
Messi was a false nine anyway. And heading doesn't matter in certain systems. A fast player like Eto'o worked much better for Barca than a target man would have.
Messimerizing.
he's not used like that, he's more useful as a winger and/or as a secondary striker.
your logic is atroucious. what would you say if I were to argue Messi lack of heading skills or better yet lack of leadership skills make him a worse player than Ronaldo?
You do know that might very well made the difference between their different fates in terms of international success, if you don't understand this you're just ignorant.
What will you say now?
>throwing tantrums when teammates score
>leadership skills
never seen a teammate criticizing his leadership skills, and in fact most (current and former) argue it's one of his best qualities.
just saying if Messi wasn't autistic he would have crossed the line in one those finals. communication with the teammates is important, it's a team sport
because no one can criticize a member of the holy trinity: penaldo, mouyes and mendes
if you have the guts to do it, they'll make sure your career is over
payet's career is over, but that's because he tried to fuck his knee, he had it coming.
the rest is just your paranoia. try to remain in the real world, please.
sure, when you eat all the mainstream media shit you'd probably regard anything different as (((paranoia)))
>no one can criticize a member of the holy trinity: penaldo, mouyes and mendes
probably the three most criticized people in the sport, for one reason or another
>can't be criticized
you're reasoning skills are embarrassing to the nation, go back to your land, nigger
>leadership skills
Messi lacks of heading abilities but doesn't affect his scoring capabilities, again, he can score just as plenty as Ronaldo without being as proficient with his head or right foot.
Can Ronaldo be as proficient stat machine if he drops constantly in the midfield to build-up plays or keep possession? Can you see Ronaldo performing a similar role than Isco, Kroos or James and not having a dip in his stats? Because that's what Messi does and that's what makes Messi the better player.That's it all.
Rolando isn't even the best player in Mardid atm.
He's not Isco, Kroos or James, that's it. same as Messi is not Pique, most likely the reason Argentina didn't win (and won't) trophies with him leading the team.
How hard is this going to be for you?
THAT WAS MY GOAL TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Ronaldo is the ultimate shirt lifting faggot of this sport
it is paranoia, because you don't even realise the three examples you cited are among the most criticized people in the sport. You think they can't be criticized. Clearly, you are not thinking straight.
>false nine
>tip.rat
seems like the first guy fucked it up, trying to dribble the keeper when he had a teammate beside him. I would say that happens, but he should be less selfish, it's a team sport, the goal is that the scores, not a specific player
This one of the most retarded posts I've ever seen on Sup Forums
The argument is that Ronaldo isn't an all around ATTACKING player like Messi. Messi can create and score whilst Ronaldo can only score tap-ins and put the ball across the net when the angle is impossible for him to try and score from.
The comparison of ATTACKING midfielders is relevant whereas the comparison of Messi to a fucking centre back is legit retarded.
the problem here is that you're a brit, meaning you lack comprehension skills.
the comparison with Pique is because of leadership skills, as is clear from the context. Meaning one (Ronaldo) has them, while the other (Messi) lacks them, the point being, players have different skills and try to argue "Messi is better because he can do this better than Ronaldo" is stupid and invalid. Read back to the beginning of the discussion: players are different, and so are the criteria used to assess which ones are better, that's the reason people have different picks for who's the best.
you're even dumber than the argentinianfag, he seems to have got it.
Not even Madrid press is this deluded, and they're the ones that claim that Ronaldos goals wake up kids from coma.
>embarrassing the nation
>blow up all the colonial riches
>lose wars against niggers armed with sticks and rocks
>lowest european standard of living
>always tiptoeing to rest of the world ("hey look at us, we made a drumpf video xD he's a fascist xD")
>even the refugees run away from this hellhole
>but hey, >we wuz conquerors and shiieet
i'm pretty sure the country is already embarrassed joao
just go back to niggerland, the minimum requirement to post with that flag is thinking ability