Unless you are in the top 2% who will save more from republican tax breaks then you are voting against your own interests.
If it wasn't for the southern strategy, playing on people's bigotry, the party would have gone extinct.
If people didn't see themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionairs then they couldn't even pretend that trickly down economics could work. Donald Trump has emphasized this strategy when saying we need to lower the minimum wage but 'people just need to work to make it into that upper stratosphere'.
Don't be idiots by voting for economic policies that hurts you just because the people behind them have vaguely implied they hate niggers as much as you do. These policies just make more niggers as you know them- poverty.
Clinton wants to pass the TPP and supports obamacare.
I'll vote against anyone who supports those disastrous policies, because they do more harm than good.
Benjamin Taylor
That is an extremely good point. I don't think it negates the fact that the democrats will still be the better party for most. I hate clinton. She is still the lesser of two evils.
Dylan Brown
>voting for things you believe in is dumb >vote for "free" money goy what did he mean by this?
Cooper Butler
I'm Hillary Clinton and I approve of this thread
Jason Rivera
I doubt that. NAFTA/TPP/TPIP empowers corporations too much and lower wages. Most people in Canada want out too, but we have to follow the US on this.
Cooper Lewis
What are you talking about? Please elaborate and make more sense.
Adam Thompson
I don't think she would because the spirit of this thread is against her and her elite class. I am just making sense in terms of policy and the options available
Michael Powell
>25 million people have healthcare who didnt before >doing more harm than good
By harm I am assuming you mean monetary harm, which makes me wonder exactly how much money you think is being lost to justify the end of 25 million people's healthcare
Cameron Cox
>implying the republicans ain't the reason niggers can roam freely in the first place
>biggotry Stoped reading there you shilling cunt go fuck your self with a bernie glow stick, how about that?
Jaxson Ramirez
You are absolutely right, NZ is in on TPP too and although we dont have nearly as corrupt a government as the us, so the middle class doesn't get completely fucked over, it still has a negative edffect on wealth inequality. That doesn't change the fact reoublicans are worse.
Jason Johnson
>Kiwi low energy aussie this line of reasoning is as effective as telling african americans about the welfare trap of democrats that is to say, not at all effective
Oliver Harris
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Julian Hernandez
If you don't think the republican party does their best to appeal to biggots as their voter base you're just ignorant.
Jack Cook
pretty sure that is bullshit but even if it isn't.
Imagine how much money you will save with free college for your kids, or yourself.
You literally pay 10 bucks extra a month and save HUGE on college.
Austin Johnson
>biggot >ignorant What are you 5? Jesus get some arguments you cunt stop being this emotional twat
/sage
Juan Sanchez
You know how many people die here because they can't afford basic healthcare?
0
You know how much debt I'm in after a bachelor's degree at a top-100-in-the-world university majoring in Accounting and commercial law?
$9000 (max would be about $27,000 but I was able to work at a reasonable minimum wage.)
Call me whatever you want from your third world country.
Luke Price
Listen goys, these are the only things you need to think about when voting
What gender does s/he identify as? What is the candidate's socially constructed race? Is s/he richer than you?
(Always try to vote for a black person or a woman; it is also good if that person (despite possibly being rich) says mean things about other rich people)
Therefore
Hillary Clinton is a woman Hillary Clinton's husband also has many black friends and was referred to as 'the first black president' so by extension Hillary's socially constructed race is Black person Hillary Clinton is also (despite also being rich) conscious of you being poor and she says she does not like it at all in fact she says rich people are bad.
We conclude
Hillary Clinton is the next president of the united states!
You see by focusing on identity politics and class warfare the big questions get a whole lot simpler
Colton Moore
I know for a fact that is 100% bullshit because bernie's tax plan doesn't raise taxes for anybody earning $250,000 or less.
Christopher Edwards
You didn't address a single point I made then called me 5 and emotional. Stay grumpy it only makes my dick harder.
Levi Morris
The cost of my healthcare is doubled, my coverage is halved, my co pay is skyrocket, my deducible has doubled.
I don't know how they could of fucked it up worse.
Cameron Morgan
are you retarded? It says right fucking there: "bi-weekly" that's $16-18 extra a month. Berniefags can't into math.
Chase Thomas
I literally only care about or talk about policy. This post is entirely about policy. Keep voting republican, bud. One day you'll get into that top 2% and then you'll be laughing.
Isaiah Brooks
wut
Lincoln Allen
lol what that doesn't show is the payroll tax increases if your boss has to pay more to keep you employed they are not going to give you a raise, they will pay less to the next guy they hire, or maybe they wll just fire you
You probably also think he wants to tax people at 92%.
Isaac Kelly
Most people here don't support Trump because he is a republican though. Trump used to be with the "Reform Party", and that's pretty much what most of us hope for.
Julian Taylor
Yeah right. If you want to talk about the poor employers. They won't have to pay for your health insurance, so that will put them in a position to give you a raise, or hire someone else.
The reality is that your employer would fire you already if they could.
When more people have more money by transfering wealth from the top, who hoard it, you increase the velocity of money because a higher percentage of earnings are being spent. This results in a stimulated economy.
Christian Baker
so how is he going to pay for healthcare and free college with his real plan?
Luis Brown
Yeah I understand that. if there is any good reason to vote trump it's that he is anti-establishment (although I don't believe he is. He hasn't put forth anything to solve this corruption because he and his circle of friends benefit from it.) But most here still identify as conservatives and hate liberalism because they think it's going to turn everyone into SJWs.
Austin Ward
By taxing the extremely wealthy. They are the ones who own all the shit and spend a teeny tiny percentage of their income. This isn't exactly a secret. It's kinda the heart of the campaign.
Jaxon Foster
>implying I insulted your country's status as a first world country. You just can't compete with australia and are lashing out at me because of it. Poor kiwi.
Zachary Price
>increase the velocity of money >a stimulated economy SOUNDS GREAT. I guess I'll keep telling myself that. God fucking dammit, people just want jobs and not not be so damn poor anymore. There's an oversupply of labor and low wages and I'm pretty sure sending all of our industries oversea has something to do with that. How is Obama 2.0 going to help with that? I really can't think of a more "establishment" candidate than Hillary. Apart maybe from Jeb!. It's corruption and corporatism that is killing us.
Christian Smith
>although I don't believe he is Yeah, but at least with Trump there's MAYBE a chance. With Hillary, you just know it's more of the same.
Zachary Brown
You do realize it wouldn't be nearly enough money to pay for even one of the things Bernie is proposing, right?
Also, nice inaccurate meme. That's not how wealth works.
Jordan Perez
Some people choose not to pay for healthcare. They don't have a need for example they live a healthy lifestyle, don't smoke, exercise, eat their vitamins, etc.
Having Big Brother Government come in and say NO YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT OR GO TO JAIL FUCK YOU is a little fucked up.
Jayden Green
1) Republican economic polices don't hurt the working class, while the poor who have voted for Democrats are still poor and getting poorer 2) Tax breaks =/= the entirety of economic policy you retard 3) Only morons reduce elections to single issues
get new material this is just pathetic
Eli Hill
I didn't imply that at all.
I'm from Australia. The countries and cultures are basically exactly the same except NZ is green and bumpy while Aus is flat and brown.
The point is that in both countries 0 people die because they cannot afford basic healthcare while in the US that figure is around 45,000. We are both laughing at you because you literally let corporations take your lives for profits and then you vehemently defend them because you think that one day you will get to join the Millionaire class if you just work a little bit harder through poverty and deport all the tacos.
Jose Gonzalez
Maybe it's the principals that I vote for? Like not relying on the government for survival, but your own self merit?
I don't want my kids being dependent little fucks their whole life.
Dylan Campbell
>he fell for the people die because no healthcare meme
Luis Baker
t. Marx
Aaron Hernandez
Here the Democrats will make sure people will keep dying as poverty and corruption skyrocket because our demographics look like a third world Brazil rather than first world Australia.
Dylan Sullivan
You are right that the trade deals are a bad idea. What you are forgetting is that free market is the core conservative value. You are absolutely right that it is ridiculous that the so-called liberal party is advocating these deals, but that doesn't negate the fact that so are a huge majority of republicans. Even if Trump isn't (today, on the outside) you can't dispute the party's stance. Also, you can't ignore every single other policy which is worse for the american people.
Jackson Collins
There is a Maybe on that one position, but he as already said exactly what he thinks on taxes and social services. If you look at his past history he will rip off anybody he can for his own benefit if he can get away with it. At least Hillary will be forced by her base to deliver some change.
Julian Nguyen
Frankly I wish the US would switch to a modern healthcare system like the rest of the west. You already pay so much for insurance (and it doesn't really insure you often it seems). I guess they would have to fix their out of control prices for drugs / medical equipment. If Trump did that (or at least got you closer) you guys would probably throw a conniption fit, but it would be the right thing.
Elijah Thomas
Australia, you got some blood on your flag
Emus again?
Kevin Richardson
You got a source? Because bernie's plan balances. They have already ran the numbers.
Yeah man. Here in New Zealand it's really horrible having big brother breathe down my neck when I dislocate my shoulder playing sports as part of my healthy lifestyle. That creepy motherfucker paid for my operation to have my ligaments repaired. I was like "ew, big brother get the fuck out of my joints you are such a dictator providing me basic services without me going bankrupt because I made the decision to not get health insurance".
Universal healthcare is better for you whether you have insurance or not. Everyone gets sick.
Grayson Cook
>using Bernie Sander's own website as a source to factcheck Bernie sanders tax plan
wew, lad
Gavin Fisher
>Privileged American thinks free healthcare, free college, and higher minimum wage is somehow sustainable for the us. >Inb4 Bernie croaks and someone actually corrupt gets into office and take advantage of the power we gave the government >inb4 hurting someone's feelings becomes hate speech It's not about voting republican, it's about voting for what makes logical sense you privledged libtard
Oliver Thomas
Like the principle that money is free speech? Like the principle of trickle down economics?
I am a successful person who has a huge belief in personal responsibility, but I still know that it is better for me to not have high poverty because poor people steal and break all my stuff. If people are not educated properly they won't be an effective workforce and productivity will go down.
When republicans say small government they mean small when it comes to helping you. Not small when it comes to corporate welfare. Not small when it comes to drug enforcement. Not small when it comes to abortion.
The only thing the Republicans like small is their donor's effective tax rates.
David Martin
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Parker Cruz
What policy will cause that? Absolutely corruption in the Democratic party is unacceptable but it is a fraction of that in the republican party.
Nicholas Murphy
Yeah dude, when I broke my arm the big brother canadian government fixed it for free the same day and put me in a cast. When I wanted to pay for it they wouldn't let me. I kept writing to them and sending them money but they kept sending it back. I had to rebreak my arm myself and go to the US to pay to have it fixed. Socialized medicine is hell.
Adam Mitchell
The question is, is Trump likely to do that? Also, would a vote for his party, who would rather have it exactly as it was, create the right movement in government?
Luis Watson
Sources are provided if you click the links. Try addressing the argument, not the person.
Leo Edwards
>imblying the ultra wealthy won't just leave the country because why pay half of their money in taxes
Brandon Clark
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Cooper Campbell
Beats me. I think he might want to do that. Depends on how he gets along with the congress I guess.
Brayden Jackson
If I was addressing the person, I'd comment on how bernie Sanders didn't receive a paycheck until he was 40, or how he is a career politician that has a pretty bad voting record, or how he has massive credit card debit.
No, I attacked the sources you gave me, which are complete bogus and used by Bernie to make his plan seem feasible. Cherry picking at its finest.
Hunter Lopez
I'm not an American. Check the flag.
It works fine here (although our college is not entirely free) and we are a hell of a lot poorer than you.
>Inb4 Bernie croaks and someone actually corrupt gets into office and take advantage of the power we gave the government
That is why you change the system so that corruption is no longer legalized. It's not that hard.
>inb4 hurting someone's feelings becomes hate speech
First time I have heard of this democratic policy.
>it's about voting for what makes logical sense you privledged libtard
Yeah it makes total sense to not give people adequate opportunity so they don't make something of themselves. The fact that it disgusts you some people will get benefits from the government doesn't change the fact that you, personally, will be better off and you are voting against your own interests because you think that republicans sound harder than democrats and you desperately want to be hard.
Ryder Gutierrez
If you actually look at the proposed tax legislation by Sanders, primarily in lieu of paying for the the 'college for all act', you will see that there are some discrepancies.The main point of contention with your assumed truth regarding Sanders lowering taxes with the actual facts; being that in the 114th Congress, it was postulated that the College for All Act would be paid for by the Inclusive Prosperity Act of 2015, which would impose a transaction tax on certain security transfers. However, many middle-class citizens have their saving in mutual funds, 401(k) retirement plans, and other forms of investment held up in Wallstreet by securities transfers.. It was also decided in the Inclusive Prosperity Act that any individual taxpayer whose income does not exceed 50k is eligible for a tax credit--that is, a tax refund. However, here's the kicker, according to the Pew Research Center, the middle-class income households had incomes ranging from $41,869 to $125,608 in 2014. So this tax-credit that is supposed to protect the middle-class is just a sham. In fact, these tax impositions on Wallstreet will not only impact 'billionaires'--who, by the way, create millions of jobs and invest billions of dollars into the U.S.--but will also impact the everyday citizen.
Point being, even if your shitty claims about his tax plan that you derived from a Facebook info-graphic are true, you aren't taking into account all the other legislation by Sanders that would work to essentially 'tax' outside his 'tax plan'.
Now call Republicans idiots again, you indoctrinated fool.
William Nguyen
Dank meme. It addressed why all 8 major proposals are unattainable and impractical.
I am impressed and now believe America will be greater if only we advance Trump's personal interests.
Charles Johnson
AHAHAHHAHAH just wait man. Today it's healthcare, next it's college. Next thing you know it you're hailing Stalin. Don't you understand that social policies = dictatorship?
Joshua Gutierrez
>Yeah it makes total sense to not give people adequate opportunity so they don't make something of themselves. The fact that it disgusts you some people will get benefits from the government doesn't change the fact that you, personally, will be better off and you are voting against your own interests because you think that republicans sound harder than democrats and you desperately want to be hard.
How is amnesty for a low IQ brown underclass of 20 million + over 100,000 unskilled Muslim rapefugees with ISIS mixed in, in my interest?
Xavier Watson
I don't need handouts you cuck. I vote for what I believe is best for the country, and the future of the country. Voting in your own interest makes you no better than the rich.
Evan Morgan
>If I was addressing the person, I'd comment on how bernie Sanders didn't receive a paycheck until he was 40
false
> how he is a career politician that has a pretty bad voting record
name a single bad vote he has made.
>how he has massive credit card debit.
At least he can spell debt.
>No, I attacked the sources you gave me, which are complete bogus and used by Bernie to make his plan seem feasible. Cherry picking at its finest.
Name one bad source within the website.
You're just making unbacked, flippant comments, with confidence. Watch out or before you know it you'll be the republican nominee.
Daniel Myers
Not a single argument in this thread. Trump 2016
Jaxon Green
Ahahahahha look at that, the republican machine is working. They convinced you that foreigners are a bigger problem than their policies. I get so embarrassed by america when the southern strategy works.
Jackson Carter
>you are voting against your own interests.
People themselves are the best judge of their own interests. People who claim otherwise are probably Marxist shitposters like you.
Carson Gomez
Why is a system that creates such vast wealth inequality and a strangled economy better for the country?
I don't need handouts either. My parents did pretty okay so I got all the opportunities I need. it's still better for me when the brownies in the poorer neighborhoods do get handouts because then more of them become productive members of society and fewer of them try to steal my car.
Ryder Gonzalez
>Hurr racsis >Makes a assumption based purely on a generalization rather than facts
This is the reason why people hate you faggots and will be voting in Trump the man who brings the most money to the table for all Americans not just one group of people.
Asher Wood
>voting against your own interests
Most of my town got their construction and meat packing jerbs terken away by taco.
Its in my town's best economic interest to remove taco. Fuck a tax break. Long term Unemployed pay no income taxes anyway.
Ethan Nguyen
"Lesser of the two evils"
This kind of thinking is what has landed us where we are now.
VOTE LIBERTARIAN.
Noah Ward
Corporations get millions of people working less than minimum wage (and that can be coerced with the threat of deportation). How is that not a serious problem? And they still consume public spending. It seems to me like THIS is the main concession the democratic party does to their corporate overlords.
Samuel Myers
>People themselves are the best judge of their own interests
lol nope. Otherwise you wouldn't have so many fatties.
Gavin Lopez
>false true. He didn't have a real job until he basically forced his way into becoming a career politician. everybody thought he was a joke then as well
>Name one bad source within the website. how about the website itself, which half of those links send you to?
Blake Thomas
>not an argument Stefan?
Mason Ross
Hypothetically, If I vote for a bill that takes 100% of my income and gives it to The Rock and I do it because I think that that bill is going to make me richer, I am voting against my own interests.
Republican voters are stupid and vote against their own interest because they think Republican policies will put them in a better position. The fact that it's their decision doesn't make them right.
Benjamin Davis
That has already been posted and debunked because it is completely false. Read the thread, retard.
Benjamin Jones
>If I vote for a bill that takes 100% of my income and gives it to The Rock and I do it because I think that that bill is going to make me richer Congrats! You have demonstrated that you don't understand the policies of Republicans or Bernie Sanders!
Ryder Brooks
No, an uninformed voter base voting republican half the time got you where you are now. Also you decided money to politicians is free speech so now they don't represent your interests.
Aaron Cruz
Absolutely that is a problem and those corporations should be prosecuted for that. That's still not relevant to the discussion because when it comes to republicans v democrats they have the same position.
Angel Stewart
how has it been debunked? you provided no evidence against it.
Eli Hernandez
Do the dems really help the blacks? They give them welfare, but don't get them jobs. They have had their family structure destroyed, the males are mass incarcerated, they live in ghettos with drugs-based economies, and they have never been so alienated from mainstream, work-based culture and everything is selling out and being an uncle tom (including getting a job). Is that what's best for them, or are the dems just keeping them as pets and use them as part of a divide-and-conquer mechanism to cling to power?
Jackson Cruz
>Posts pic with built in source >All you did was say it was bullshit with once again no facts or sources
pic related it's you faggot
Carson Powell
>they have the same position Except for Trump though. He says he'll let them back in, but presumably in a controlled manner and they won't lower wages as much anymore.
>not an argument True, but his credit card debt is not relevant.
>how about the website itself, which half of those links send you to?
No shit. one half of the page lists his policies. They link to elaborations on his policies within the site. The other column on how it will be paid for doesn't reference the site once- so of all those sources, find me a single one that is not credible.
Leo Smith
Explain.
Adam Allen
Yes I did. I provided Bernie's actual tax plan.
Hunter Turner
Firstly, it doesn't matter what Trump wants because being president doesn't give you all the power.
Secondly, Trump's wall plan makes returning to Mexico harder, increasing the number of permanent residents, so he won't actually solve the problem. I'm not sure if you know, but net immigration is negative at the moment. More people are going back to Mexico.
Michael Price
Read the thread. I have already provided facts and sources.
Jackson Jones
That does not dispel what me and a another dude posted. What you posted has him keeping the rates that affect most people the same as they are now and bringing it up for just rich people. Trump drops it for everybody including the rich/poor and everyone in between.
Gabriel King
>leaf-tier thread What's that?
Luis Wilson
>being president doesn't give you all the power That must be why he's going to ask for tributes and set tariffs to be able to pay for his crap. >makes returning to Mexico harder Oh.. I'm sure there are going to be people that will help them find their way. >More people are going back to Mexico Yeah, but if he does bring back the jobs, the situation could change fast. Also, if it does sanction them, the cartels problem could explode and that could affect the US. At the very least, the wall can give the US more options (even if it ends up apparently not doing anything).
Andrew Fisher
>That does not dispel what me and a another dude posted.
Yes it does because what you posted says Bernie would increase taxes for them.
In terms of Trump's plan. That really is pie in the sky.
It simply does not add up. The best one is the BBC article. Trump is a master of saying whatever it is the public wants to hear. Bernie has spent his entire life actually getting them what they need.
James Lee
So voting to legally steal (tax) from other people is ok because you need money?
Evan Wright
any white democrat voters are idiots. there are no exceptions. just a bunch of self hating whites who statistically have no reason to hate themselves for things their ancestors didnt do
the united states has had immigrants from europe through out its existence and some people lived in the north ect some people immigrated to the united states from europe post cold war
those same people turn around and say not all muslims but apparently its all white people. idiots
>True, but his credit card debt is not relevant. how is that not relevant? He shows his lack of competence with money and economics.
>No shit. one half of the page lists his policies. They link to elaborations on his policies within the site. The other column on how it will be paid for doesn't reference the site once- so of all those sources, find me a single one that is not credible. How about the last one from that nutjob Gerald Friedman? You know, the one that said he would be voting for Hillary Clinton?
