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Only Bran is real.

Will Euron improve next season?

Not as much as he potentially could.

euron = urine
cersei = wig look likes piss

i sheep it

Will we ever see Uncle Benjen again?

/got/ needs to die

that storyline is dropped

Yeah he'll pop up to give the Night's King a ride to King's Landing but drop him off at the Trident.

Did anyone else feel like the explanation for him still being alive was fucking retarded.

>Littlefinger is blatantly grooming Sansa for some kind of master spy esque role.

That doesn't require he tell her where he keeps his money or even all about his money schemes

>but by the end of the series I wouldn't be surprised if he caved and told her about it all.
>littlefinger
>caving

lol no

>then all of his stuff might go to her as Alayne Stone.

She's a bastard and fat chance Littlefinger dies before her real identity is revealed

if they stop making cock jokes then yea i'd say he's got the potential. the actor was quite good they just need to give him material. he had two scenes in season 6, everything we've seen about him so far is just the introduction. hopefully they don't pull an alexander siddig and kill him in the first episode or something.

It was a hint at how things will end, bran will stumble on a hidden lair of 100000000 children of the forest and they'll cure the wights back into humans and everyone will live happily ever after

Will he be alright bros?

Hopefully he will die of stone AIDS.

Well, Benjen isn't truly 100% alive. What I find stupid though is why the hell he didn't show himself during the great ranging. Three eyed raven must've known Night's Watch is on a move and therefore Benjen must've known as well. Wouldn't they think that telling NW what they know would be pretty fucking important? Especially if it was Benjen indeed who left the dragonglass at the Fist of the First Men, knowing NW will be there, why he just didn't show up and tell them what's going on.

If the spoilers are legit, he won't die in ep1 and might even survive this season.

Will Dean ever love him back?

>reading the books for the first time
>Jaime's last chapter in Feast
>Tom O' Sevens is in Riverrun
>mfw

>Reading Jaime chapter
>"Baelor Butthole"

I love how Beric, Thoros and the Hound are heading north in the show. I love the Hound, and I'd rather have Beric than Lady Stoneheart, so it worked out well for me.

Also, the Hound better be a POV character in Winds of Winter. With his transition to the gravedigger, we could have another Theon/Jaime style redemption arc thing going.

The way everyone on here was memeing about it, I thought it was a constant thing. He only mentions it once, so I wasn't too put off by it.

The "her cunt became the world" line, on the other hand, almost made me cringe into another plane of existence. Can't believe that made it past GRRM's editors.

>Can't believe that made it past GRRM's editors.

It's because he doesn't have ones.

Is Uncle Benjen Coldhands in the book?

It's never explicitly stated, but without a doubt it's Benjen. Bran never sees his face, because of the full scarf wrap he rocks, and Coldhands fucks off to fight the wights right as they reach the weirwood, then he doesn't see him again.

GRRM confirmed that it wasn't. Bran would have recognized his uncle's voice, surely. Plus Leaf says that he died a very long time ago. Benjen would have only been dead for a few months to a year.

Really? Sauce on the confirmation? I thought it was for sure Benjen, the way he hides his face and wears a NW cloak.

Bowen Marsh did nothing wrong

>Benjen would have only been dead for a few months to a year.

How would you know this? Benjen is confirmed MIA at some point during the first book, as soon as Jon reaches The Wall. Several years pass between that and the time Coldhands shows up.

Plus, if I recall correctly, Coldhands' voice isn't all there. I remember something about it being raspy and unnatural.

We're not getting any Darkstar in the show, are we?

Make Dorne great again

Gurm lies m8. He said Ned and Howland were the only people to leave the tower of joy.
It could just be Benjens dead body though, technically it's not really Benjen by any means just a husk that someone else is controlling

What a faggy comment

He probably hides it because it's all dead and gross. There's no reason for Ben to hide his identity from Bran. If anything, revealing himself would make Bran and the group quicker to trust him.

As for GRRM's confirmation, there was an exhibit of the ADWD manuscript GURM sent to his editor. In one of them they have an exchange on the margins. Pic related.

I'm not positive, but I think that all five books take place in like a year and a half.

Oh shit. This is making me question shit now.

The gravedigger is the Hound though, r-right?

No and its good because dean's a douche

No its not fucking benjen.

>I'm your monster, Brandon Stark
>but as his life flowed out of him in a red tide, Brandon Stark could taste the blood

His name is Brandon Stark
Bran witnessed his sacrifice before the heart tree
He's the night's king

You literally cannot prove me wrong

Also explains why the show went full retard and made him benjen because they already changed the night kings role in the show

Anyone else play this game?

Its sick as fuck

I thought the Night's King in the book was just a Lord Commander of the Night's Watch who went rogue and proclaimed himself a king, taking the Nightfort as his seat?

He is. But he's also linked with the others, said to have made sacrificed to them, gave his soul to a white haired woman who was probably an other, committed atrocities that forced the king in the north and king beyond the wall to take him down, and according to bran old nan implied his name was Brandon stark

>coldhands voice is damaged
>"the woman grabbed the captive by the hair, hooked the sickle round his throat, and slashed"

See I'm right

Fucking hell, it makes perfect sense.

what game?

We see you JonConautist

>gave his soul to a white haired woman who was probably an other
>the woman that bran saw sacrificing a man to the weirdwood tree had white hair

IT FITS

My mind is actually legit fucking blown.

Also in regards to coldhands, leaf says "they killed him long ago". Leaf is hundreds of years old. Long ago for a COTF is probably thousands of years.

Edgy cunts

Did this live up to the hype

No, just no.

8,000 years and he's still got that much flesh, blood pooled in his hands and he has his eyes?

No.

And the monster thing is probably because he's an ally on their side not that he's the monster of one of Bran's stories.

Much more likely to be one of Bloodraven's men who went with him North.

It's rattling because he's dead, he doesn't need to get his throat slashed for that.

Doesn't fit. Otherwise Bran would've noticed the skin color or shining blue eyes also from the story or something wrong with the bearded man who held the captive down.

What makes you think a magical undead zombie would decay, what's your point of reference, what are you basing this on

And what does being dead have to do with his voice automatically changing.

Also coldhands is said to have milk white skin.

Yes

In the show the Raven looks like some old dude.

In the books he's described as pretty much a skellington with really long hair and a red eye. So there's that.

Why do people really want JonxDany so badly

lol Jon I'm your newly discovered family and you're the last of mine, let's fuck

Why can't Dany just finally have the family she's never had in Jon instead of with Jon?

Also
>coldhands is just a random dude who went north with bloodraven, not anybody significant

Yeah no.

>shining blue eyes
When was the night's king described with blue eyes

>something wrong with the bearded man
This proves nothing

I'm pretty confident that by having him continue the fight Dabid's idea is to return to him abruptly in the last episode next season in a sequence that shows him getting killed by the Night King just before the Wall is destroyed and Edd and the gang also die. Something like that is my guess, which will be shit. I really wanted to see Benjen play a key role.

>tfw

Night king shows up in the series finale

> "I killed benjen. Off screen."

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>y, what's your point of reference, what are you basing this on

Common sense that in 8000 years where there's been some summers where it even gets warmer beyond the Wall, that shit would rot like the hand Aliser brought south.

>And what does being dead have to do with his voice automatically changing.

Obviously some shit can and does goes wrong in the body if your blood starts pooling in extremities. Why not your voice, not like as a dead thing you're normally supposed to be talking, the vocal cords could've dried up

>Also coldhands is said to have milk white skin.

Why wouldn't Bran have noticed milk white skin or shining blue eyes in the woman who killed the captive if she was an Other or the Night Queen?

When Benjen dies for good, I hope everybody thanks him in the live thread.

>Bring back Blackfish
>Kill him offscreen
>Bring back Rickon
>Give him no lines and kill him
>Bring back Osha
>Kill her off in her second scene
>Bring back Walder Frey
>Kill him off with shitty fanservice
>Kill off all of the Direwolves for no reason
FUCK THIS GAY SHOW

>Yeah no.

Why does everyone have to be someone significant? George has even said the Night King was a legendary figure akin to Lann the Clever, why does Coldhands have to be someone significant or someone from 8,000 years ago to be part of the story? Bloodraven had bros that were loyal enough to follow him and take the Black, that's significant enough and shows a lot of loyalty still.

>When was the night's king described with blue eyes

Talking about the woman who kills the captive since you're using the Night Queen legend of having Other features like white hair an saying "IT FITS"

>This proves nothing

If you're saying the Night Queen was the one who killed him, then the bearded man would've been a wight unless the Night King was some punk bitch and didn't rule shit if he was sacrificed and she ruled the men

>common sense
>Why cant your voice go wrong

No at both of these answers. You're reaching to apply mundane "realism" answers to a character who is already by nature influenced by magic, in a magical fantasy universe.

>Why wouldn't bran have noticed
I don't know if you noticed, but that vision is literally one paragraph long. It doesn't get very in depth. It's not meant to spoonfeed you everything, read it and you can see that grrm is being purposefully vague.

I hope you notice right now that all of your arguments for why this theory isn't true are "well bran didn't describe this particular thing so obviously it's not there". If bran described the woman as having dark eyes or something then you would have a point. Etc etc. But you dont.

>by nature influenced by magic, in a magical fantasy universe.

Yet George does include wights being able to rot and how there have been summers and days warm even beyond the Wall and that could even melt the Wall to make it cry. 8,000 years of that, no fucking way

>It's not meant to spoonfeed you everything

It would've been a very ridiculously easy thing to notice considering the blue eyes shine and she's supposed to have extremely pale skin. The fact that's not noticed means it's not the Queen

>Why does everyone have to be significant?

Not everyone is significant, but coldhands CLEARLY is. Why else would grrm be so mysterious about his identity

Neither of these are arguments desu

Coldhands is already old as shit, leaf saying he was killed long ago proves that. If he was going to decay then he should have been gone already.

Whatever @ you failing to understand why grrm purposefully didn't make it obvious what was going on in that vision

>"well bran didn't describe this particular thing so obviously it's not there"

He didn't notice something extremely recognizable and that stands out, means nothing stands out.

No it doesnt, how autistic are you

Anyone else not get the point of having the Children of the Forrest create the White Walkers/Others? I mean the Pact between the children and the first men was thousands of years before Long Night. Kinda takes away from the Lovecraftian horror of the Others and makes them lame as fuck IMO

Stannis threads on asoiaf right now, bros

Get in and get out before the Jonautist shits the place up

So he notices beard and white hair but not shining blue eyes that he'd see in wights all the fucking time?

I think cotf creating White Walkers/Others was 100% Dabid

Forget about the Pact, the show has a completely different and separate canon.

This plot is so sad. He sacrificed his daughter, which he truly loved, just to fumble around in the snow and die.

What did the writers mean by his sorry existence?

You can be significant without being an 8,000 year old member of the watch

Valar Morghulis :^)

Crusader Kings 2 with the GoT mod. It's pretty good.

Don't they mention the pact in the show though?

Find me a piece of actual concrete evidence evidence that directly contradicts anything I've said in this thread. I'll wait. "But George didn't spoonfeed it to us so how can it be true" doesn't count.

Coldhands = the man in brans vision = Brandon Stark = the night's king is so obvious to me that the only theory I would have ranked above it in terms of obviousness is r+l=j

Find me concrete evidence for Night King being Coldhands.

Oh wait, you don't, you have speculation and conjecture

Are you suggesting that Coldhands is the Night King? I don't get your retarded theory

Really?
The level of delusional denial you're displaying right now is autism levels

None of those are concrete retard.

He's old somehow means he has to be 8,000 years old

His identity' hidden so he has to be someone significant like the Night King

He talks harshly when he's a zombie, must've gotten his throat slashed

Lady with white hair cuts some guy's throat, that's him

Your monster can somehow only mean that he's a monster from Bran's stories

All bullshit conjecture and speculation

are the books worth reading if you want more development of the interpersonal relationship of the cast

>are the books worth reading

no

You're stupid as fuck not gonna lie
It's also the way grrm intentionally wrote the passages where coldhands introduces himself and bran's vision that implies a double meaning. When things connect like this it stops being coincidence. I don't know why you're so upset

Keep telling yourself that.

You're almost preston level in your autism

You literally have nothing to contradict it though. Absolutely nothing. Please, prove me wrong right now. I will wait.

Not the guy you are arguing with but you are really reaching with your theory

You literally have nothing concrete to prove your shit right, please go newprestonfag

Then who is coldhands. Benjen? Clearly not, benjen has been dead less than a year or two. Bloodraven? Bloodraven is attached to a tree. Waymar Royce? Also not dead long enough. Other theories are easily disproven immediately.

The books range from terrible like to mostly mediocre-good to some golden passages. I especially like the character development of Jaime in the books, or Sansa. But also the Brienne chapters are golden.

It reads pretty easy and you can get absorbed quickly. It's fun for the most part. But fuck those Tyrion and Daenerys chapters.

I liked them, deeper plot and the characters did things that made sense unlike the show. Also he didn't shoehorn 21st ideals into a medieval setting. But the books will never be finished so it's a waste of time.

Do you want to start a story that never will be finished?

Just. Stop. Posting.

Davos and Jamie chapters da bomb yo

When I say concrete I mean actual passages from the book that are in direct contradiction to what I've said, such as the woman having dark eyes or coldhands being only 500 years old or something. As far as I know there's nothing that makes coldhands = nights king impossible as a theory. But if you have anything that does I'm open to hear it.

Calm your ass down, autist.