dont forget WW2, >america joins last minute and claims they won it, when it was actually russia
Robert Wilson
Yeah because russia did so much against japan right
Nathan Howard
>japan was the major threat
good one
Ryder Carter
>100 nukes Source?
Either way, the war will take long only because of said 10 million soldier. Otherwise our Airforce will stomp everything they have like a crippled child. On top of the countless cruise missiles we'll shit on them, ground troops will only show up to support the south korean forces as they mop up.
Joseph Long
>Korean war Isn't over, at armistance >Vietnam war Lost by south Vietnam, America withdrew >Afghan war Still going on >Iraq war Won by USA >Georgian war USA is afraid of a war with Russia, for good reason >Ukraine See above
Henry Fisher
Daily reminder that Russia was set to collapse in 41 and 42 but was saved by the American lend lease program sending them billions of dollars of food weapons and tanks
Ethan Foster
USA has already lost, because NK knows they won't/can't do shit other than shitpost
Alexander Ramirez
Because Japan was the one with a competing nuclear program. Right. Not Germany.
Fuckng retard
Brayden Bennett
>100 nukes It's almost as if you don't understand the longevity of a criticality-capable nuclear core and the maintenance overhead involved in keeping "nukes" viable as a weapon.
This comes as a small surprise since you're a liberal. No doubt you've subbed out chemical sciences for gender studies in college.
Wyatt Murphy
Also America and Britain saved Russia by relieving the pressure on them by invading Africa, starting a 2-front war See operation torch Also, USA was a part of the war in 1941
Ethan Hernandez
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Hunter Edwards
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Christopher Nguyen
There is a false dichotomy here. Wars can have different outcomes than just 'won' or 'lost.' Ever heard of a stalemate? Or achieving some objectives, but not others?
It also becomes very difficult to gauge an outcome when the primary objective is to 'send a message' across all political fronts. Let's say that the Vietnamese war was a definite loss for the US: they failed in their objective of preventing a Communist takeover of Vietnam. However, they did send a message that they were willing to fight to prevent the spread of communism, and no further SE Asian countries were invaded by the vastly more powerful China, backed by Russia.
Also, none of these were wars of survival, at least not from the US perspective. Things go a little more all-out in those sorts of wars.
Colton Allen
for someone that hates trump, you got many gigabytes of images of him
Noah Russell
sure kid
Joshua Johnson
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Kayden Ramirez
>USA is afraid of a war with Russia, for good reason
Reason being they would be going up against someone who isn't a dirt poor rice farmer or goat herder lmao
Nolan Price
If there was ever a war, one thing Kimmy would do is move 1000's of school kids to military sites
>there will never be another war with NK
Daniel Sullivan
Sounds like butthurt.
More money lost than gained. Lost.
Jack Torres
North Korea made one big mistake, firing that missile over Japan, if it had landed by mistake mid flight on Japan, we would not be talking like this right now, there would be conscriptions flying left, right and centre - for the US, SK, China and Japan.
China isn't dumb to allow NK to fire missles onto landmases as they please, and will retaliate.
Gabriel Evans
Its called "Vietnam Syndrome."
"Historians both inside and outside the military do not accept the idea of Vietnam Syndrome as being legitimate, and they often point out that the superiority in combat exhibited by the Viet Cong and the regular North Vietnamese Army was rooted in those forces' ability to be agile in ways the United States forces and South Vietnamese forces were never able to be."
We lost, on all levels. Since then, media has tried to portray the Vietnam war as something more noble than it was; a purely imperialistic action on behalf of the USA.
For example, you say that
>"they did send a message that they were willing to fight to prevent the spread of communism, and no further SE Asian countries were invaded by the vastly more powerful China, backed by Russia."
This ignores the history of what happened. China and Russia were not looking to invade anything, there was an independent communist revolution in Vietnam that received support from China. Much in the same way the USA supports democratic uprising. The French lost control of Vietnam, and we say an opportunity to extend our control in that part of the world, as we did in Korea and the Philippines.
Benjamin Reyes
>competing Germany weren't even at 1% of the progress the US had made in nuclear technology. After the war the Western allies put their scientists in a bugged house and when they spoke among themselves they thought that the nuclear bombing of Japan was just a lie at first. They couldn't fathom that someone actually developed a bomb.
Luis Hall
Because it wouldn't be over in a couple of years. It would drastically change the world. Stop thinking like you are a rice farmer.
Adam Long
"Quick, Make anti U.S. threads before the americans wake up!"
Shiggity Diggity
Elijah Parker
Yeah look what happened to the Philippines (which was US owned after the war with Spain - they didn't invade it) after the US had it.
Economy sucked dry, now kids live like paupers on the streets, begging.
It is where that sick Australian fuck filmed Daisy's Destruction also.
Jose Martin
Shut up you fucking bitch. Shut your fucking mouth you fucking faggot. Don't act like you could do anything you little bitch. Give me your adress you stupid cunt. Me and my friends will burn your family and shoot your house you stupid faggot.
Nolan Morgan
Why would we lose unless its profitable?
Mason Jenkins
Actually they did get far, just needed a reliable delivery mechanism, which is why they were working heavily on the V1 Rocket.
It is no surprise after WW2 that America and Russia were working on Jet Propulsions. Without those Jewish German Scientists America and Russia would be a lot different today.
Hudson Davis
do you actually believe murica could have easily won all of these wars, they just didn't want to?
The Philippines was given as part of the peace treaty with their war with Spain, and for a couple of years the past ruler that was exiled by Spain tried to come back and declare an independent Philippines.
Again, America had the Philippines they had an internal struggle against rebels. So yeah no Invasion.
Just because you saw a war title doesn't mean an invasion happened.
Wyatt Hernandez
The fuck are you literally clueless?
Lucas Rodriguez
No. Germany had a team of scientists working, America had thousands of people working on it, huge facilities and a limitless budget. The Germans weren't even close to getting the bomb. The Allies even found out that the Telemark operation was for nothing, it wouldn't even have mattered.
Nicholas Parker
Kim is not pleased wit your tone ....
Elijah Thomas
Like this guy hasn't watched Hogans Heros
Thomas Ward
You do realize that they got the German Scientists out, one of them being Einstein right?
Surely they teach this shit in classes still?
Julian Butler
comedy gold
Thomas Sanders
dude, you cannot be this stupid.
we sent in more troops during that conflict than we did against the Spanish.
>sent soldiers to fight Filipinos >did not invade
kek
Jordan Hall
Yeah I think you're completely missing my point.
Ethan Morales
withdrawl and abandonment are not counted as losses in war.
a more accurate way to determine victory and defeat in such cases would be to measure economies before and after, in which case I think we all know who the victor is.
Ayden Sullivan
You seem to have a very loose definition of "lost" and also no idea who allies of the US are.
John Parker
Are you retarded to not understand simple English?
After your war with Spain, they gave the US the Philippines as part of the peace treaty.
America had troops and cvilians on the Island.
They didn't need to invade, they were there, it was under US rule.
The rebels came back to the Philippines and the conflict started.
Seriously nobody gets taught proper history anymore, even the simple stuff flies over the heads of kids.
Chase Walker
Nope, the Jewish scientists were the key to it all, they were progressing with Hitlers bomb, but a few of them gave their lives so the others could escape as they didn't want the Nazis to have control of a weapon.
And the allies helped them escape, that's the US, UK, Russia and France who helped them get out.
That is why Hitler could never finish the bomb, they had no clue with the real minds behind it gone.
Which is why even though working on Jet Propulsion, they refocused on that to give them an edge by being able to launch thousands of missiles on Moscow and London, but they never got that far either, they came close with doodlebugs etc.
Isaac Gray
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Carter Johnson
it lived people on the islands before retard so it was not anything Spain had the right to give
Alexander Miller
>war against communism won
/thread
Elijah Jackson
Dude what are you even arguing, we're agreeing that the German nuclear project had nothing on its American counterpart.
Nathan Perez
Your countries are just sitting there, then actually do something to Burger Land.
Stopping being a little cunt.
Jack Morgan
I don't think a crippled child can stomp too hard
Levi Turner
Kid go sit in the corner, let the adults speak, because you clearly have no clue.
Or are you scrambling so much from your initial attempt to look clever that you fucked up and you are trying so hard to fix that?
Never heard of the Treaty of Paris (1898), read it and learn about your country.
Or just sit in the corner and cry.
Either way you clearly know nothing of your country's history.
Hudson Butler
you're missing the point. these wars weren't about winning territory as you imagine it. they were about taking economic/military partners away from russia. destroying russias trading partners. limiting military access/reach.
ever noticed all the countries usa bullies are friendly to russian interests?
they don't care about making democracy succeed anywhere; that's just a casus belli. the intent is to go in there and fuck the place up for daring to taking markets away from the western world and joining russias trading bloc. usa is a dual pronged machine, it's main power is from favorable trade conditions geographic and political. if the politics aren't right, that's where the military step in to spread some democracy. before you know it, free trade, huge reconstruction contracts farmed out from a newly established government to eager american firms financed with sizable loans from western banks
nato creeps on russias doorstep through poland and baltic states. the eu seduces long standing eurasian economic union members like ukraine and turkey. you think ukraine was a loss? the west just chronically FUCKED one of russias most important trade partners. they were close to turkey as well.
i suspect this north korea talk is a way of putting pressure on china. nk is a comfy buffer space for china, a country whose borders and main sea trading lanes are literally surrounded by united states allies. this is how usa operates. join us or die.
take a look at a few of the recent arab spring wars. in particular get on google news and do a search for news articles about selling oil in currencies like euros, gold, or gold backed alternatives. you'll need to use a date filter for it. set your date filter about a year earlier than the start date of the respective war
Jose Brooks
you are insane. you are totally insane. by your logic, the Allies didn't invade Nazi Germany because they were still under the Treaty of Versailles.
>After your war with Spain, they gave the US the Philippines as part of the peace treaty
so the fuck what? the Filipinos didn't agree to shit, and they rejected US rule and occupation.
>America had troops and civilians on the Island
go fucking figure! just because we landed there after the treaty with Spain doesn't mean it wasn't an invasion force meant to secure our agreement with Spain. you are LITERALLY playing work games and you know it.
>They didn't need to invade, they were there, it was under US rule.
what the actual fuck?
>The rebels came back to the Philippines and the conflict started
dude, those "rebels" were fighting against Spainish rule as well and signed a cease fire prior to the Spainish-American war. The First Philippine Republic was the government at the time, you don't just get to call them "rebels" because they didn't agree to a treaty between two foreign powers that attempted to dissolve their sovereignty.
>Seriously nobody gets taught proper history anymore, even the simple stuff flies over the heads of kids
you fucking revisionists are hilarious, you really are. this feels like I'm talking to someone who denies that WWI even happened, and even when presented with the evidence just keeps playing word games so he doesn't have to admit he is wrong.
Bentley Campbell
>Actually they did get far What crack are you smoking? They didn't even have a realible method of producing plutonium, as experiments involving "Hard Water' were still underway and would have taken at least another decade to finish. Secondly, the Germans never conceived of the Atom bomb, instead speculating on an aerosol form of spreading radiation.
Camden Cook
Agreed. Stalingrad and Kursk were the turning points of the war in Europe. Nazis were already toast by D-Day.
Dominic Williams
all of you faggots get back to your containment board
Grayson Taylor
i think we can debate semantics like what constitutes loosing/withdraw/winning or what is war but i think it makes more sense to discuss events that will or might happen. first of all: there's south korea. A pro-US state with a capital mere kilometers away from north korea. conventional artillery will level that capital with ease. then there's japan. also pro US and as of now under nuclear thread. (then again, they survived it before so they're probably good to go again) Then there's China, terribly afraid north korea will be conquered by the US, creating a US vassal state at their border. And they've backed north korean communism for decades. they're already loosing face now that kim forces them to speak out against NK. And then there's russia. The absolute madman wild card. As of now russia sees strategic opportunity in all this tension. Any move by either china, japan or the US will be politicized and used as propaganda in favor of Putin.
So that's sort of the geopolitical climate we're dealing with. then there's the state (oligarchy of unknown influential people with kim as a figurehead). There's the extreme loyalists, conditioned that the more loyal you are the better chance of a good job you have. and there's the normal people. destitute poor and with absolutely no idea how the world, or anything resembling a free market would work. Liberating them is like setting a baby deer loose on the highway. so in all, any action will lead to either more power for the oligarchy or has to lead to the overthrowing of the oligarchy. both of which will result in even worsening conditions for the population. The main concern for leaders around the world is therefore not the people of north korea. it's not even the people of south korea. it's purely the geopolitical position of all individual superpowers. Is there a winning scenario for the current US? probably not because the population is incapable of self government and external government is occupation.
Jacob Harris
i could see USA "losing" via UN intervention.
no one wants to see millions of people die for no reason.
Dominic Davis
Dumb cunt
Brayden Turner
w/o americans it wouldn't have been a crushing defeat like it was though; more parts of france woulda been annexed, italy would prolly kept fascist rule.
Oliver Jackson
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Landon Walker
Edgy little one, aren't you
Cameron Peterson
>>Korean war >Isn't over, at armistance
basically the US SuperPowers surrendered to a bunch of norks
>>Vietnam war >Lost by south Vietnam, America withdrew
basically the SuperPowers withdraw without getting results
>>Afghan war >Still going on
basically the SuperPower with SuperWeapons cannot yet get results after 16 years of losses
>>Iraq war >Won by USA
basically destroyed a country to get rid of Fictional Saddam Weapons and export Democracy... no results achieved (except if you consider Israel orders to destroy Iraq)
>>Georgian war >USA is afraid of a war with Russia, for good reason
because Russia is better than USA.
>>Ukraine >See above
Russia took Crimea without any of US Super Spy Satellites catching the smallest glimpse of tens of thousands soldiers and military objects going there.
tldr, in every fucking US-waged war, US soldiers are doomed to die without ever achieving any result.
Owen Moore
what will the current administration do? they might bomb military bases/strategic posts but the risk of south korea taking the blame for that is extremely high. my best guess is that trump is trying to get China to force Kim into a saner policy. He might even consider accepting China to annex north korea. he does still have to find a way to call this a succes for his voters though.
Josiah Harris
>and external government is occupation they've done it before, they'll do it again. there's money to be had in nk. it's quite mineral rich, if they're culturally similar in work ethic to other regions nearby, there's potential for a competing industrial base to be built there. a western friendly/controlled country bordering china has got to be valuable to usa. there's plenty of motive here for usa to do something. plus it can all be justified because nk is a shit hole due to unethical rule and literally anything would be perceived as better by EVERYONE.
>what will the current administration do? perhaps extreme political pressure similar to what has been applied to assad; however, starting a rebellion would be far more difficult since their borders and populace are much tighter controlled. i'd hazard a guess that nk has been pretty extensively mapped and surveilled; perhaps it's finally time to see just how effective f22 stealth capability really is with a preemptive strike
Bentley Diaz
Without Russia steamrolling Germany on the Eastern Front, D-Day wouldn't have been possible and the Red Army would have kept marching right up to the English Channel.
Asher Watson
Why the fuck are people so worked up about N. Korea? the US can literally destroy them in a week or two. People need to stop falling for CNN bait.
Matthew Thompson
Everyone rags on the US for Afghanistan, but really no world power ever effectively won there. It's a country of miserable terrain and peasants, yet the powers have fought over it for centuries now.
Cameron Garcia
The steamrolling wouldn't have happened without US aid. One of the most vital supplies to Russia was trucks. They didn't have enough trucks to effectively move their forces. If they didn't have US equipment and support the Germans would have out maneuvered them and eventually won.
Justin Smith
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Jacob Bennett
>When the world hates you because they aren't you
Connor Davis
and then turned around and the US would have had to fight the biggest, most battle hardened, technologically advanced and entrenched army in the world at that time... and do a beach landing...
yea, im first to say the US help was extemely valued and a necessity, but they could not have done it without the boodletting of the soviet union, while vice versa... they just might have.
Carter Watson
so true. I saw this in a movie once. Professional armies end up getting ass raped there all the time.
Jose Ward
People tend to forget the U.S supplied Russia with a SHIT TON of aid before we even joined the war. Without the U.S, Germany would have won in Europe.
Caleb Gomez
what you're missing here is that the US, especially earlier last century, was a proxy for western colonial powers and not really representing itself in these wars
>1953 korean war >vietnam war they got what they wanted:bombing them both into the stone age with massive defoliation campaigns
both wars are clean-up because the US didn't get as far into east asia as they were supposed to in WW2 because the japanese did an amazing job in the pacific
pyongyang was the seat of confucianism, funny how we don't talk about that anymore
>afghan war >iraq war destabilising mesopotamia is half the reason WW1 and 2 even happened. the "european theatre" was literally theatre: allies avoided bombing german factories in order to prolong the war and were even providing germany with synthetic oil. it was a distraction and the real target was the ottomans (plus crushing the east and demonising socialism)
>georgian war >ukrainian war Russia and the US are two sides of the same coin. The Cold War was fucking fake
>upcomming korean war all according to keikaku
Jaxon Edwards
It depends if there is no oil in NK then yeah America will decimate them Vietnam was a different time they went in half cocked with no jungle combat experience today is a totally different time american soldiers are far more experienced
Charles Perez
AMERICA FUCK YEAH Whatchooo gonna do when we com 4 uu?!
EEeeeegul!!! Freeeedom!! CORN!!
Jose Edwards
They would have done it, it would have been bloodier though. The US has a massive production base. Germany never would have been able to keep up with us. Yes the Germans had some amazing equipment, but they couldn't produce large quantities. The US has adequate equipment, and was able to churn it out in large quantities. The US could have produced equipment that matched the Germans toe to toe, but didn't want to refocus production efforts.
Jackson Lewis
>WTF of monthly giveaway is this?
Josiah Scott
Einstein left Germany before the war even started, he was a Jew.
Carson Cooper
Einstein left Germany before the war even started, he was a Jew...
Easton Mitchell
Einstein left Germany before the war even started, he was a Jew.
Kevin Hughes
Einstein left Germany before the war even started, he was a Jew...
Isaac Jenkins
No I like it here
Jace Hall
Nice Bait!
Ian Clark
you list a lot of wars that were lost but who won them? you seem to imply america isn't a continent sized country that has military bases in foreign countries all over the world and in fact vietnam/afghanistan/iraq/korea/russia is poised to lead the world?
Charles King
tfw you were born in yugoslavia, seen more wars in your backyard than y'all pussy ass americans have on CNN, and yet you root as if it's a tournament of sorts.
Oliver Morales
Don't forget WW1, they let them fuck them selves and in the final they come in
Bentley Davis
>won
top kek
Austin Williams
whatever, dude. and for the killshot, you literally talk just like my dad.
Aiden Clark
Americans are the bad guys
Isaac Robinson
Given the current direction of the US, get ready to add two more: Cold war with Russia: Lost, current president surrendered all we're supposed to be War for freedom and democracy: Fascist takeover imminent, supported by president
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Cameron Robinson
why does everyone seem to think the Vietnam police action (never did declare war) was to win? Protect democracy? Stop the vietcong? All BS.
That war had two purposes. Make money for the .1% investing in military, and disposable jobs. If the point was to win, we could have just carpet bombed the shit out of them, fire and fury style. But we had to play nice and be careful of the civilians. We had to be careful not to use too much force. The whole thing was pure bullshit, with no intention of ever 'winning'.
Jayden Morales
The problem with some of those is 1: they were not wars they were conflicts, so get your facts right. Second the reason they were such a loss was due to the politicians telling the military how to win a war when they were only concerned about filling their pockets and don't know shit about fighting a war.