Dominion has been responsible for the deaths of billions

>Dominion has been responsible for the deaths of billions
>they would have eradicated all the main/major members of the Federation completely
>Vulcan, Andoria, Earth and others as well
>Klingons and Romulans would have been exterminated as well
>they have already eradicated other species in the Gamma Quadrant
>were about to eradicate everyone alive on Cardassia after killing a whole city with a population of 2 million civilians

And yet Odo cures them anyway and no one gave a shit.

I honestly can't comprehend bullshit like this.

The Founders have already seen there are solids in the Alpha Quadrant who were decent and non-hostile to them yet they still want to conquer or exterminate them anyway.

And yet we're supposed to believe after Odo links with the female Founder in the last episode of DS9 she's suddenly changed her mind, her whole stance on solids, and that every other Founder will be willing to stop waging war against the non-changeling species.

How in the hell didn't at least one of the greater powers of the Alpha Quadrant just go through that wormhole and exterminate the Dominion, once and for all?

Hell, shouldn't Odo have been court-martialed for what he did?

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>Hell, shouldn't Odo have been court-martialed for what he did?

He's not a member of Starfleet, so no. Only Bajoran law applies to him, right?

I thought Starfleet were aware of this anyway, wasn't it one of the conditions for the female changeling surrendering?

>I thought Starfleet were aware of this anyway, wasn't it one of the conditions for the female changeling surrendering?

Nope.

They had the cure, but refused to use it in negotiations or send it over to the Founders. It would have made no sense to cure their enemies who had previously almost curbstomped them.

Odo did this on his own.

I always felt Odo's vessel should have had an unfortunate accident en route to the gamma quadrant.

>"The Federation would never commit genocide!"
>Section 31 commits genocide
>"Well we don't really have much to do with them, even though they are deeply connected to Starfleet at the highest levels, and even though we now have a cure we aren't going to undo the genocide that splinter factions have creates among your people."

Why are we supposed to believe the Federation are good guys and not just ineffectual bureaucrats who only follow regulations when it's convenient to them?

What you are experiencing is called values dissonance.

Liberals like the one's who wrote the series are incapable of perceiving and analysis potential threats as effectively as a non-liberal.

This is because Liberals are significantly more likely to have underdeveloped or defective hypothalamus, the part of the brain responsible for threat response. They also lack an acceptable number of connections between their hypothalamus and prefrontal cortex making them tactically deficient as well which is why they overwhelmingly prefer flight to fight and passive resistance.

That is what we are suppose to think. The Federation was a mistake.

In the Star Trek online that takes place 30 years after DS9/Voy Dominion went full Nazi Germany and rebuild their army's and started the war again.

>Dominion went full Nazi Germany and rebuild their army's and started the war again.

What a completely and unexpected development!

But let me guess, conservatives have none of these problems and are always right?

A full spread of torpedoes perhaps, captain?

Hey look, it's one of those thread where some autist asks a bunch of questions that reveal he didn't really even watch or pay attention to the show or movie.

They do not have those problems, but are not always right as they have there own brain structure issues.

desu i think it'd be a terrible thing for the alpha and gamma quadrant if you had a shit ton of jem'hadar out of control looking to inflict maximum damage because their leaders have died out

yea they'd end up dying out or going nuts because of ketracel white but they'd take so much of the federation with them

at least now the collective has odo with them who will attempt to keep them in check and share his experience of the alpha quadrant

I want to like STO but boy is it trying hard for me not to like it. Instead of trying to be it's own kind of MMO they went full WoW and have major ship systems that should be integrated into he space frame be swappable incremental improvements instead of just allowing players to tune their ship systems in a manner that was inline with how the show depicted the technology. Think tuning in Forza but applied standardized ship systems with experience level modifiers to the performance impact. Instead is garbage inventory tetris like every other MMO.

Compassion and mercy to defeated enemies are two of the biggest indicators of a civilized society. If the Dominion was still a credible threat in the Alpha Quadrant, the Federation would have been justified in killing the Founders en masse - but it wasn't. The Founders were crippled, killing them would have been a senseless waste.

No. Hardcore conservatives have their own brain structure problems. People who lack extreme behaviors in either direction are the ones with normative brain structure.

Fascinating load of bullshit you got there.

Yeah. Also they are jewing the players pretty hard and their new storyline was quite literally an ancient evil awakens sort of thing.

But that is patently not true. All a society must do to be "civilized" is have extreme specialization of labour.

The only systems that exist are systems good at perpetuating themselves. The Federation is terrible at this in every behavior they are shown to carry out but because the show is about them they are written into succeeding regardless of this fact.

>If the Dominion was still a credible threat in the Alpha Quadrant

But it was.

There was literally no guarantee that Odo would actually change the minds of the Founders back in the Gamma Quadrant.

We're talking about a galactic empire that has existed for 10 000 years in that way, with such a high distrust of non-changelings that they set out to enslave or exterminate them.

scientificamerican.com/article/calling-truce-political-wars/

The argument I made the article from scientific america.

The federation could always just collapse the Wormhole if they started shit again.

>How in the hell didn't at least one of the greater powers of the Alpha Quadrant just go through that wormhole and exterminate the Dominion, once and for all?

They can't. The Dominion is way too powerful. They can only defeat the forces that crossed the wormhole.

No, they couldn't.

Don't you remember? It was in that one episode where a Dominion agent sabotaged their effort in closing it the first time and instead it was stabilized/opened up so much that it couldn't be closed at all.

>people on earth can live in pre-industrial villages

And people say LOGH is stupid with this.

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>Ctrl+F hypothalamus
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Oh ah hmm ahh hmmm I see.

So you admit to not actually reading what it says and thinking cirtically on the implications of the statements.

You admit to simply scanning it for key words and not its actual message?

Your opinion can be officially disregarded.

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You sure about that?

Why didn't they send reinforcements after that one try when they removed the mines and the Prophets intervened? Has there been any indication the Prophets kept on removing Dominion reinforcements later on?

okay here is the problem.
your trying to sort out a series with literal magic orbs.

Because the Feds probably put up more mines after retaking DS9.

>Has there been any indication the Prophets kept on removing Dominion reinforcements later on?
Has there been any indication that the Prophets *wouldn't* continue to protect Bajor, like they agreed to do with Sisko?

>DS9 does something stupid and it tarnishes all of Star Trek
why does it keep happening

Wouldn't the self replicating mines run out of materials to replicate from?

Not in the timescale of their civilization. They can convert energy that has been wirelessly transferred to the mine field into all of the new mines. Said wireless power can come from solar collectors around Bajor's Sun.

Prove to me that Section 31 exists.

You can't... without citing Enterprise. Blame Enterprise then.

Are you trying to tell me the threat of the weak format of TOS and TNG was any better at not leaving massive ragged loose ends everywhere?

"There was a secret black ops division of the Federation the entire time" is worse than a loose end

"The federation not having a black ops division but still somehow clinging to power in spite of their idiotic foreign policy" was the true stain on the series.

Exactly, all 3 of the alpha/beta quadrants couldn't take on the dominion in the Gamma quadrant

Have you ever noticed how odd it is that Starfleet Headquarters is on Earth despite humans being introduced to interstellar society by Vulcans and other neighboring, peaceful races?

What's idiotic about their foreign policy? What do you mean by "clinging to power"? The Federation is an assembly of planets and cultures working together for mutual benefit.

Vulcan doesn't seem like a very nice place to place the headquarters though. The place is a bloody desert.

I can assure you with 99% certainty that air conditioning is one technology we have not surpassed the various Trek series on as a society.

>insulting space mecca

You missed the point. Odo wasn't just the cure for the disease. He stayed home with the founders and they will learn his experiences and understand that solids aren't the enemy. Additionally it was flat out said that Odo was more important to them than the entire alpha quadrant.

>He stayed home with the founders and they will learn his experiences and understand that solids aren't the enemy.

But he was there with them before and they learned nothing from it.

He has more experiences this time. Like O'Brien and Bashir betraying Starfleet and the Federation in order to save Odo and the other Founders, and like Kira accepting him for who he is and letting him go into every hole simultaneously. "Not all solids are bad", the Founders muse after linking with Odo and learning this.

Fans of TOS hate DS9 for what it is mate.

I know my Grandpa thought TNG was too sterile compared to TOS. More preachy in its utopianism but he still liked it. It was still Star Trek to him.

But he'd rant on DS9's "corruption" of Star Trek for hours. Thing is he liked Babylon 5, he just thought DS9 had no business being attached to the franchise. Fortunately he didn't live to see Voyager.

What corruption did DS9 accomplish in only its first two seasons?

>my grandfather is every fan of TOS
I started with TOS and I liked DS9 better than TNG. I have them at a tie for my favorite Trek series.

You have no idea how hard I raged at the TV when they decided to let them live.

Do they think the Dominion would leave them alone after ATTEMPTED FUCKING GENOCIDE?

It was Picard let's the Borg live 2.0.

It's the amygdala, not the hypothalamus.

You seriously think they had a choice? The alpha/beta quadrant powers were on the brink of collapse just fighting the cardassians/Breen/and a small portion of the dominions power. They stood no chance of ever fighting the dominion in the gamma quadrant. And if they hadn't accepted the terms of the dominion surrender they would have lost a shit ton more ships and people.

>new series is going a place where they've gone before

Now I'm misremembering. Was healing them a condition of surrender? I don't remember that.

It's a prequel to the reboot shit, right?

So even before Kirk?

i think its just slightly after kirk

rumour is that its a woman captain

Nah, I remember reading somewhere that while the lead character is female, they're not a captain, more like a lieutenant.

Anyway, it's going to be shit.

The series have always been about captains and commanders and their respective crews.

Discovery will take place 10 years before the start of The Enterprise's 5 year mission

With Bryan Fuller behind it and it being 2016, the new captain is likely a native American transgender midget with one leg.

fuck me whats the point of it being a prequel

>Bryan Fuller

Oh.

It's that faggot who turned Hannibal into full-blown fagshit.

The OG's that liked TOS like it for it's more quirky / adventurous nature as a rule.
Especially the ones that kept up with the fandom between the cancellation and the films. It really was the wild west before Paramount started killing off the smaller fanclubs.

Are you talking about the fleet that came out of the wormhole and took DS9? Because that was the fleet that was disappeared by the prophets.

Just hit it with a chronoton beam

CBS is strictly prime timeline because Paramount Film License.

The Federation are against genocide and they are also crazy principled.

If only they listened to Section 31

Get over it fuckface, that's literally what Star Trek was ALWAYS ABOUT, the unstoppable triumph of the human spirit and Americ^H^H^H^H^H the Federation's values over any and all adversity. Everything was always leading up to that moment. It is the idea that the values and beliefs that make humans great is what will win in the end, not their technology or military prowess.

>Romulan war 100 years before TOS
>no one had even seen a Romulan until Balance of Terror
>new show set a decade before the enterprise encountered the Romulans

Starfleet as an institution grows out of Earth's space programs.

...

Too bad a modern audience is too jaded to ever accept that kind of shit again.

>Why didn't they send reinforcements after that one try when they removed the mines and the Prophets intervened?
Because they're not retarded and didn't keep sending ships to get wiped out by superbeings?

Didn't really look like they gave a shit about the lives of their servants.

Gee if only there was an episode where they explained they weren't sending in reinforcements because of the Prophets. Say when a crazy Dukat goes to Weyoun and starts talking about Pah-wraiths, and when Weyoun asks why he should give a shit Dukat says they can kill the Prophets and then Dominion reinforcements can come through.

>check web
>China National Space Administration
>Established 22 April 1993

The delta symbol represents aeronautics in real life.

Bashir and O'Brien were responsible for that. Both of whom were from the UK even in this united earth scenario.

Leave it to those fucking idiots to flub up the plans of section 31 (who are OBVIOUSLY some iteration of American CIA).

The first American space shuttle was called Enterprise because Trek fans drove NASA nuts with letters until they named it that. Not to mention, a lot of the people who have worked, and worked at NASA were inspired by Star Trek. To the point where they've approached the actors at conventions and thanked them for the show because without it, they never would have pursued those careers otherwise.

everything is thomas rikers fault for exposing the ship buildup before the sneak attack.

O'Brien is Irish and this isn't a Northern Irish thing either since Data references the unification of Ireland in TNG.