Sup Forums please help me settle an argument, capitalism or communism and why?

Sup Forums please help me settle an argument, capitalism or communism and why?

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Anarchocommunism > everything

Capitalism, because it works.

fpbp

For whom?

Everyone.

Kill yourself, dogmatic Sup Forums cuck.

Communism, because it works.

>fpbp
Look up the Spanish Revolution

Stay mad pinko.

>literally never does

I'd say capitalism works

Imagine you have two plates of food.

One plate of food has a small portion of meat and bread, the waiter takes away your bread and you are left with two slices of meat, the chef then comes out and takes one of them. you look to another table and one guy has a full plate even though he is at least 400 pounds already and he didn't even order it. You are left with one piece of cold meat.

On the other plate is nothing, but also the waiter punches you in the face.

sorry the plate just got repossessed

Capitalists are insatiable parasites. It (((works))), until it runs out of new meat, and then it collapses, hard.

Services can be used to feed the machine, so the meat never ends.

>literally never does

Look around. Yeah it does.

I think they call that slavery.

are you fucking retarded you're probably some fatass eating a burger typing away on your computer with a roof over your heard along with central heating

>implying that a bunch of resources converted into dead products is "working"
Kill yourself, neoliberal.

Question comes from a place of general political ignorance. Not a black and white issues as neither exist. All countries are a mix. The question is about shades of grey -- how much socialism vs how much free market. Clearly a mix works the best as pure capitalism only exists in anarchy and pure socialism has never existed accept in name, never in practice as its generally a a utopian thought, not an actual thing.

Then "they" are retarded, because that's not what slavery is.

>implying that a bunch of resources converted into dead products is "working"
Yeah. What did you expect, living products? I mean, we do have farms I guess.

Capitalism
Any communist state has either collapsed, fucked itself with rampant inflation, turned to a softer more capitalist alternative or is so fucked it's entertaining.

Everyone says only true communism works but every iteration has failed.
Thus the definition of insanity trying the same shit over and over and expecting anything to change.

Perfect example
Republic of Korea vs. democratic people's Republic of Korea

Both began around the same time with opposing political views, one is among the strongest economies with multiple million/billion dollar companies. The other a failed nuclear state borrowing 80's- early 90's tech from allies to remain effective in any capacity.

Most people on earth live in terrible poverty. 85% of global poverty reduction happens in China which is run by Communists

The impoverished of today are on average better off than the impoverished of the past, and to say that modern day China is communist is a bad joke.

communism is a cancer. Pinochet was right.

SK has some of the highest rates of suicide and alcoholism in the world. If crapitalism "works", why did a pro North far leftist win the recent SK elections?

Where would you rather live South or North?

Free choice allows for that, do you really think that 'far leftist' would turn against the obviously advantageous position the nation is in for juche

Most South Koreans hate South Korea and want to leave: washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/young-south-koreans-call-their-country-hell-and-look-for-ways-out/2016/01/30/34737c06-b967-11e5-85cd-5ad59bc19432_story.html?utm_term=.be6336beae73

Meanwhile NK is booming, massive skyscrapers are popping all over the capital, and it just developed a hydrogen bomb to protect itself. Roller coaster theme park in Pyongyang costs the equivalent of $1 to get in, vs $100 in crapitalist countries. A defector to SK just returned back to NK after realizing crapitalism eats shit

Just because you mediate it with muh vidya scores doesn't change the relationship. When nobody can act for themselves and has to hire someone in to do it, well, isn't that the union dystopia y'all have been whining about?

I expect humans in their supposed wisdom to take what they need and leave well enough alone. Perhaps having half a dick has made you incapable of satiety.

Kill yourself, neoliberal.

North, 100%

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>Washington Post
>a literal neoliberal Democrat paper
Kill (((yourself))). You know why.

Wow.

I'm engaged to a ROK girl and have lived in Seoul for 5 years, I know it is the over reliance on first born sons and fathers that drives the majority of crisis within the ROK

It's ok to admit you've done no reading on the subject you're representing or on the culture, people and ideologies

Fake news. Have you ever been to a third world country? People have no electricity, no access to health or education. Your high quality of life depends on the subjugation of places like India by imperial capital.

China isn't communist, but it's run by a communist party which seeks to reduce poverty. Crapitalist parties don't care about reducing poverty

If the US would stop running aggressive exercises against them during planting season, maybe they could feed themselves.

>crapitalist
All of your future points are now invalid because you're clearly 10 with that post

An amusement park ticket is like $10, you're either a cheap bitch or a whinny unemployed shit

I've talked to many South Koreans. Young people absolutely hate the chaebol, and the corrupt families which control them. They also hate the kleptocrat founders of South Korea like Syngman Rhee. If I'm wrong why did Moon win the election?

Good thing in Capitalist countries we don't need to rely on "planting season" like Medieval peasants

"What is peer study" if you knew a thing about what you preach you'd know using newspapers as fact is the lowest supporting evidence to an argument should only be used to support a point raised by peer review and doesn't stand up as reliable fact.

But you're an idiot...

Talked to many? I mean not 5 years of experience many evidently

That's because developed crapitalist countries live off of the brutal exploitation of the third world.

Kill yourself, bourgeois imperialist.

Maybe a city amusement park or a traveling festival.

stop saying crapitalist, you're making the left look even more retarded and naive than it already looks

If every capitalist were anally raped and bled out, I think they might finally understand just what their system is really all about.

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Even if that were true I'd rather that then living like a fucking peasant :^)

Communism killed almost, if not more than, 200 million people within 100 years.
Capitalism has killed literally zero, because capitalism does not care about what you believe in

Which of the two has lit as fuck beats?

Oh right thanks communism for actually making solid as fuck compositions to celebrate the love for your country.

You'd have to know nothing at all about Korea to not know the term "Hell Joseon". Newspapers have nothing to do with it. It even has its own Wiki article:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_Joseon

Young South Koreans hate the situation in South Korea, where only wealthy well connected people have a shot at socially defined success. That's why they elected a crypto communist in May

>praises Pinochet
>"Kill yourself, neoliberal"
mfw

Do you want to starve?

>Yes
Communism

>No
Capitalism

Didn't answer my question. Why is a former anti government street fighter the president of South Korea?

A general distrust of corruption and political normality, you know what protest votes are right?

dx.doi.org/10.1080/09512748.2016.1145724

As noted in the above paper, the trends tip towards trends depending on the driving factor

>muh Sup Forums talking points
Shut the fuck up, nigger. You're also responsible for everyone who's ever died because capital needed more, more, more.

Who's praising Pinochet? He was neoliberal on behalf of Kissinger.

communism
makes lazy shits get there ass working and less lazy

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>>Still thinking that china has a communist economy

because it's not a communist state so anyone can become the leader with the right drive and ability

I know you'd rather keep living off the labor of others instead of your own. That's exactly why we need gulags, mass executions, and brutal violence towards enemies of the people

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA my sides

Imperialism =/= capitalism
read a fucking book

>le Sup Forums starvation meme
Kill yourself, liberal.

>you know what protest votes are right?
Actually, they don't. They're all fatherless children stuck in early conventional morality.

Also lets them stop working when there's enough. The US should have been tried for crimes against humanity for instigating the Cold War.

7 million people starve every year even though there's enough food to feed them. They aren't fed because it's not profitable for crapitalists to feed penniless people.

obvious bait is obvious

they aren't fed because they're lazy and would rather beg than TRY to get a job with a wage

No, only one can.
Kill yourself, faith-based sycophant.

Oh yeah? Imperialism is the logical outcome of capitalism, which requires eternal growth in order to survive. When home is tapped out, it has to go abroad, or collapse.

no, they're not fed because food doesn't magically appear on people's plates when it's ready to eat. you need to pay the farmers, transporters, plant managers, all the infrastructure workers that made their jobs possible, etc.

Capitalism I agree, every Communist gov has been complete shit, why would I want to work hard when com rad over there is a lazy fuck and we are both earning the same f that

See thread, collect answers.
Good job you finally know something worthwhile instead of Trusting Wikipedia (a publicly editable source) worth nothing in an argument and sheer conjecture

All the Norkfans have been BTFO multiple times in one discussion.

TLDR: you're wrong, as proved in above discussion

Kill yourself, Puritan liberal cuck.

I guess ancient Rome and the USSR were capitalist then :^)

>need to pay
No, you don't. As long as everyone eats, they can still do their jobs.
Kill yourself, vidya-playing child.

Dumbfuck. Hope your gringo ass is kicked the fuck out of Korea asap

lmao how am I a sycophant
It's still better for one person than someone who is given power and noone can oppose them you cuck

>Imperialism is the logical outcome of capitalism
uh, how?
capitalism necessitates as much freedom from the state's apparatus as possible, and imperialism is entirely a state action

Communism is shit, capitalism is the shit.
Once you take an Economics 101 course, we can have a civilized conversation. We have money, you do not. Communists are so naive it's cringy.

this

Kill yourself for assuming the converse.

okay, start a business and see how many people will volunteer to work for you. see how long you last.

god forbid I think working for my money is bad, clearly a faggot who claims benefits, no wonder you want a communist state you cuck

lmao what when did I said I was in Korea

this, communism is naive and near impossible

In Communist countries lazy people were gulag'd. Under Stalin being lazy was called "wrecking", and the punishment was execution. Meanwhile, most crapitalist elites don't work at all, instead living off of inherited wealth.

Because you have to lick capitalist ass to get into a position of power, or other capitalists won't let you. Are you a complete fucking dipshit who hasn't ever had a job and doesn't know office politics? Yes, yes you are!

>capitalism necessitates as much freedom from the state's apparatus
No, it doesn't. It necessitates only that capital is privileged over labor. You just made those ascriptions up.

Economics 101 is the koolaid course that lays out assumptions and norms with theological rigor (that is, none). Once you actually read into economics and understand the difference between macro and micro, you see that capitalism is designed to divide society and create a permanent overclass.
>We have money
And we have the means and motive to kill you. How good is your money then, tough little vidya boy?

>okay, start a business
That doesn't work under capitalism. Kill yourself for being a complete fucking dipshit and not understanding how systems work.

Self-employed, fucktard. Kill yourself for not staying on Sup Forums

Capitalism. Because I'm better than other people, my parents were better than other parents, and my kids will be better than most. Only half of that is genetics, the other half is societal influence. Pieces of shit raise pieces of shit, and pieces of shit get what they deserve, which is to be poor. People like to think that being successful is tied exclusively to intelligence or hard work, and since smart people win in a capitalist society, the smart and hardworking rule the dumb and lazy. This is only partially true, it's missing a very key component, and it's called personality. I'm not going to say all the poor people I've met have been pieces of shit, but all of the pieces of shit I've met have been 80/20 poor/middle class+. Rude, lazy, mean, entitled, whiny, unhealthy, failure fucks don't get hired or succeed because they suck. This isn't the 50s; most oppression is imagined. These people deserve to be poor, which in America, isn't even a bad fucking set up unless you're a heroin junky. Fuck communism, bad people deserve nothing.

Very good point. The little Young Republifats in this thread clearly aspire to be the lazy cunts living off of others, and are just here to practice their self-rationalization at inheriting daddy's money.

You forgot that the biggest chunk of money that you pay goes to some crapitalist

"fight the power I'm not obeying your rules", no wonder you're self employed you faggot no doubt you're a poorfag then kys

The term "Hell Joseon" is known by all South Koreans. Even Gallup has shown most S Koreans are unhappy with the state of S Korea. You obviously have never talked with anyone from Korea ever.

you just answered the main question so, lets say your a hard worker one day you get sick cant work as hard do you really want to live in a society that is that f up dude your pussy as would not last a day

I'm doing well enough, you illiterate little polnigger.
Kill yourself for writing kys

Rome was an empire, not an imperialist state. USSR was neither

They think they're immune to having an off day because they aspire to management, where no wrong is punished and no abuse of others is too far.

Fascism
People are predisposed to their beliefs via biology. You can choose certain traits to breed a perfect population. An example is Russian foxes domesticated over multiple generations over the course of 40 years.
Peoples are biologically rooted to prefer those of their own group. Those in their own group have greater fertility that those who racemix, and racemixed individuals have huge health risks, with low social trust and self-esteem, which results in low fertility.
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Read these books - Evolutionary Psychology which explains how we got to where we are.

Communism believes everyone is equal so any difference between the populations is a result of economic racism and exploitation of one group vs. another. This is not the case.

"well enough" basically meaning you can afford to live in a shit 1 bedroom flat and live off of 1 meal of rice every day