I know this isn't the place to ask but any fellow Sup Forumstards have any experience with derealisation...

I know this isn't the place to ask but any fellow Sup Forumstards have any experience with derealisation? How hard does it make your life and how do you tend to deal with it?

yes, i need/wish to know.. why do you ask? what happened?

I've had it for 2 years after I had a massive panic attack after smoking a joint too fast, i couldn't function for a solid 6 months until eventually I started getting used to it. My life is pretty normal I socialise a lot and get out often but it's never really gotten better I just learned to live with it. Just want to know how to get rid of it at this point.

I experienced it for a few months...

stop eating grains (wheat especially) and soya... reduce sugar.. dairy, vegetable oils...

eat plenty of eggs/meat/veggies/healthy fats such as butter/coconut oil and animal fats (they are stable)

MEDITATE./.. can't stress this enough... do some meditation such as headspace.com ... this alone will be completely life changing... stick with it for at least 2-4 weeks :)

good luck, you'll get through it

and you will find these experiences very beneficial in the long run,

I've dealt with it before. As a symptom and byproduct of mild bipolar disorder that I suffered with for a decade before being formally diagnosed. It disappeared almost immediately after starting my medication. Just go talk to a doctor.

do you feel like if you lose focus the universe would just vanish?

Thank you! I never really thought about the diet side to things but I just started going to the gym last week and pretty much that has already started me eating mainly protein and carb rich food like eggs and meat.

I never really gave headspace a good go I sort of tried it for 5 days and got frustrated but I think i'll stick with it for longer if you think it's beneficial :)

Almost, There are some days where I feel like if I stopped thinking I would just vanish myself, it almost feels like every day I wake up in a completely different version of the world and the universe

I've had a little experience, not chronic though. I just come to the realization that I'll only ever perceive things from my perspective, and nothing else
Goes away after a while

So a normie got high and it destroyed him

I have been considering meds but i'm not too sure about the negative side effects, which medication have you taken and have they had any other effects?

Nah I smoked weed regularly for about 6 months didn't do any harm, just one time I had to finish a joint quick and took way too many pulls in like 10 seconds, if that makes me a normie then fuck it i'm a normie

Wish I could have that mindset I pretty much obsess over it lmao

In short, you need to realize life is a gift and to make the most of your time. Love everyone. Love yourself. don't fear or hate or be greedy or harm anyone. Start living like this and be patient. It's not easy. Try to meditate. you may have spoopy experiences at times during meditation but that's ok. lay off the weed and don't touch other psychadelics for at least a few years, if ever. weeed (a mild psychadelic usually) can cause major trip experiences in some. I had mine with way too many shrooms. (8g) When i came back I didn't even know who I was or remember hands and feet. But I did learn death is not the end and this isnt our first time around or last so don't be afraid. you have experienced worse in other lives and will experience better in the future.

you are loved op.

Yeah i've layed off drugs since that happened, Didn't want to fuel it. Do you believe psychadelics can lead you into a more spiritual state of mind, maybe sometimes for the worse?

There's no reason or usefulness in obsessing over it. Thinking on it and appreciating that your perspective is unique is different, it's cool to think about. Worrying about it makes about as much sense as worrying over whether you're "real"- you can't test it, or prove/ disprove it

well, you do. our collective thoughts create reality and sounds stoopid to anyone who has not experienced this but for those of us who HAVE experienced it, it's quite real. Life is like a dream nested within other dreams. just how it is and the world lies about it because most people (including me and you) can't deal with it or have a hard time dealing. just be patient with yourself and don't be afraid to let go because someday you will have to let go and become the next version of you. you are more in control than you think and that can be unnerving.

just be patient and sew and harvest love - love will push away all negative emotions in time.

judge much? you should not.

Yeah I completely agree with you, obsessing over it is useless but the obsession started when I didn't know what it was and thought it was something that could kill me, I don't worry about it any more but the obsession really is engrained into my mind to the point where it's my default thought whenever I wake up, it's pretty hard to not think about when your brain automatically think about I guess I gotta rewire my thoughts to focus on other things, but you're definitely right worrying and obsessing is pointless

It is really a unique experience and impossible to explain, people think you sound crazy when you explain it but it really is an incredible altered state of perception

absolutely. it's a lot to handle. I went looking for the big trip and thought I was prepared. I took it very seriously but when I got it, it killed the old me and when I came back
I came back shaken and changed. Took a while to get back to normal, about a year on now. but one thing I can say is I don't fear shit anymore. I experienced what could only be described as soul rape, but also experienced divine bliss. It's just two sides of the same coin. accept it and live your life every day to the max. don't go back to sleep. re-birth is traumatic.

only others who have experienced it can really understand, absolutely. we do come off as sounding crazy to the rest of the world. it scares them because as some subconscious level, they know we are telling the truth.

>typing slow, cast on one arm and making typos...sorry

Do you think thats what happened to me? After my panic attack I took a long sleep and woke up with this feeling and have had it ever since, i'd say I don't fear shit any more but i'm not sure if thats cause this feeling has gotten me so down that I don't really register any emotions right now.

It's cool about the typing, but yeah i think a lot of people have experienced small bouts of it without being able to identify what it is, I know I did before it became chronic maybe thats why they know it's lowkey the truth.

Obsession can be dealt with by accepting you're thinking about said thing, and that's ok. You can't worry about what you want to change, or forget about, because it'll stay in your minds eye and then stay with you. You have to accept you're worried, and then not worry about that fact

there is a guy that wrote a lot about it and called it the dark night of the soul. he had his own unique experience and without any psychadelics apparently. it happens. it's something we just have to come to grips with. the universe is not what we were taught, reality is not what we were taught. the world lies like hell to us every day and it sucks. but don't let the behavior of others take away your peace and joy. work on finding that peace and accept that things are how they are and that's just how it is. once again, be patient with yourself...

Yeah i've overcome depersonalisation before (which i think was a lot easier to handle) in that way but seeming as its my whole perspective that's changed rather than just how I feel in myself this time around it's proving harder, but your advice is good user i'm taking it all in

Thank you user this is a viewpoint I really hadn't considered until now

one important thing to do is exactly what you are doing. find peers to talk to about it. if you decide to find a shrink, be sure to find one who has had personal experience. not sure how you would go about that but if you get some normie shrink they will just pump you full of antipsychotics and I doubt you want or need that. also I am not qualified to give medical advice but that's my opinion..

That's good to hear man- best of luck out there

I had one shrink who gave me CBT for DP and that worked wonders but the shrink I went to for DR gave me one session before prescribing me "homeopathy medicine" which I'm pretty sure was just a placebo and I didn't buy into it at all, have you had any good experiences with shrinks?

You too dude thanks again for the input :)

no i have not, i know there are good ones out there but I have not met one yet, though I have only talked with a very few. like 3 or 4 in my lifetime.

I supposw you have to get used to and get to know somebody before they work but it costs a lot and takes trust thats hard

I've got to get to sleep bro.... hang in there. it's rough I know but it can get better. you just have to hold on to positive thoughts and emotions and let the bad ones go away.

It helped me to read some spirituality books like :
the bhagavad gita
the tao
the universe in a single atom
the tao of jesus (he actually taight eastern philosophy but what we ended up with was changed and edited all to hell) his name was actuaslly yeshua - the name jesus is greek and means hail zeus or son of zeus! but the real yeshua taught about heses things and you can find things from the dead sea scrolls like "the sayings of jesus / the sayings of our loord"

he experienced this type of thing too and tried to wake people up, they killed him for it then made him a "god" and lied about what he really said.

ghandi is another good one to read about..

bill hicks has some awesome spirituality stuff

if you like music, listen to aenima and 10,000 days by tool. really read all of the lyrics.

one song called reflection is cool, will post lyrics iof I can before bed.

one momento bro..

very true. just find people with similar experience to talk to that helps a ton.

from tool's album Lateralus -

11 reflection •
I have come curiously close to the end, down
Beneath my self-indulgent pitiful hole,
Defeated, I concede and
Move closer
I may find comfort here
I may find peace within the emptiness
How pitiful

It's calling me...

And in my darkest moment, fetal and weeping
The moon tells me a secret - my confidant
As full and bright as I am
This light is not my own and
A million light reflections pass over me

Its source is bright and endless
She resuscitates the hopeless
Without her, we are lifeless satellites drifting

And as I pull my head out I am without one doubt
Don't wanna be down here feeding my narcissism.
I must crucify the ego before it's far too late
I pray the light lifts me out
Before I pine away.

So crucify the ego, before it's far too late
To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical,
And you will come to find that we are all one mind
Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Just let the light touch you
And let the words spill through
And let them pass right through
Bringing out our hope and reason ...
before we pine away.

Goodnight bro thanks a lot for all the advice means a tonne, i'll listen to that song too.

That's nice and all but death is the end and this is your first and only time around. Your corpse rots and your consciousness ceases to exist. Enjoy life while you can, death is eminent.

also check a band called Epica - a song called Storm the Sorrow from album Requiem for the Indifferent

3. Storm The Sorrow

[Music by Coen Janssen, Simone Simons]
[Lyrics by Simone Simons]

Along the way I find myself
To be confined within me
No place for any other's mind to interfere,
To grasp the meaning of it all
To overcome my limits
And dance away from any void and empty tones,

Just tell me why
Just tell me how
I can survive this time

Believe yourself and look away
From all that's right within you
Leave all your worries at the door and drift away,
I’ve tried to peer into the core
But could not storm the sorrow
My hollow heart has bled me dry, left me to stray

Another time without a trace,
Condemn me now
Send me to hell
For I'm already failing

Intertwine the lines
That swim beneath the dark
Realize the pain we live in
Demonize the need we reel in, no
In my memories I'll dig deep enough to know
Centuries of dreams unending
Another me that yielded tears
when someone had betrayed

No time should ever go to waste
It’s not that complicated
You’re free to live your life at ease
No more restraints

No heed for shadows on your way
That try to steal your laughter
Your light will drive them all away
Be confident

Will I refrain?
Can I repent?
Will you be there?
Erase the page
For I’m alone and ailing

Intertwine the lines
That swim beneath the dark
Realize the pain we live in
Demonize the need we reel in, no
In my memories I'll dig deep enough to know
Centuries of dreams unending
Another me that yielded tears
when someone had betrayed

So, this is my life
And it can't break me down
Go, I will decide
Who can come in and heal my disease
Burn it in flames
Kill it and maim
Why can't you see that you need to be freed?

Intertwine the lines beneath the dark
Every bit of pain we're feeling
Every other solemn life, no
In the memories you will find somehow
There used to be a dream unending
No more need to be alone

Intertwine the lines
That swim beneath the dark
Realize the pain we live in
Demonize the need we reel in, no
In my memories I'll dig deep enough to know
Centuries of dreams unending
Another me that yielded tears
when someone had betrayed
Someone had betrayed

good night - hang in there! you are alright.. you will be.

kinda true, when i die there will never be another me but the real me who the awareness comes from never ends and will continue and has always been, will always be. you just have to figure out who you are. are you te meat bag or the spirit?

gotta go. have to get up in a very few hours..

Missed the point. The meat bag and "spirit" are one in the same. The only continuation of yourself will come in the form of children, which is influence and DNA at best.

seriously have to get in bed - had to hit the head then saw this on my way back...

it looks like you see things from an entirely material point of view. sorry about that. we just have to disagree. I understood what you said, but that's not how it was for me when I died. seeing is believing. also saw future events that actually came to pass within the next few months sooooo...... don't try to convince me and I won't try to convince you. you arte free to believe what you wish. if you don't believe in spirit you are an npc. no point arguing with an npc.

Good night broos.. stop the hate, spread love and seek truth.