Cuckening of biblical proportions if Scottish Government get their way

As a Scot I am terrified of what the future may hold.

The ignorance of my countrymen is real.

I foresee the following:
>UK votes to leave the EU
>Scottish turnout for this vote is relatively poor
>Scottish National Party(pro-EU socialists) blames English vote for carrying Scotland out of the EU against it's will
>SNP push for second independence vote
>this time the vote YES to leave the UK wins
>Scotland leaves UK
>Scotland joins EU
>Rest of the UK bring annual immigration figures back to a reasonable level of 30,000 (using a points based system ie austrailia
>Scotland gets hugely cucked by the EU and migrants of europe use Scotland as a doorway to their families living in London, Birmingham and the like
>tensions rise between scotland and the rest of the UK
>all the while our Scottish landscapes are destroyed with new housing demands and our qt3.14s are pumped full of subhuman seed

When you consider the fact that on average 300,000 immigrants have came to the UK for the last 5-10 years, a figure of this size coming to Scotland alone, a population of 5 million is fucking terrifying.

Scotfags have to understand that an independent Scotland will only result in one thing; being a slave to the EU. There are too many pro-EU sycophants leading this country. The only way forward is to keep Britain together and keep Britain strong.

I want off this wild ride.

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Yep, Nicola sturgeon is keeping quiet about it, because the result she wants will allow for another referendum.

We will be far more cucked by ourselves than we will be as part of the UK.

a new political party would form in an independent Scotland that's radically anti-snp. braveheart is on the telly every day.

hahaha if England leaves the union its going to send shockwaves through whole of the EU. After a month the only countries to remain will be banking jew countries, poorspania and leechgreekia.

Don't worry, we're already voting to cuck ourselves in June

lol Brexit won't happen.

Remain 55%
Leave 45%

This isn't some fantasy RPG faggot.

Independence = SNP single party state
Immigration = open doors
Voter based of left wingers and retards = secure
Constitution = Already decided FUCKING READ IT:

Article 1, Paragraph 4:

>An inclusive definition of citizenship, with reserved rights of residency for non-citizens resident in Scotland at the time of independence

You made this thread last night, what the fuck are you doing OP?

Not looking good.

ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

The scare tactics are working.

UK needs a massive terrorist attack. That might way it.

Its a good thread. Leave OP alone.

So, basically Scotland becomes ROI v2.0?

>2 leftist paradises on the isles

Good news for Swedes I guess, they might finally stop being the laughing stocks.

>When you consider the fact that on average 300,000 immigrants have came to the UK for the last 5-10 years, a figure of this size coming to Scotland alone, a population of 5 million is fucking terrifying.
Also consider that the majority end up living in cities, and Glasgow currently has a population of around 600,000.

Hopefully the main debates can help to pull leave up in the ratings.

we gotta keep the union together m8...without you england is nothing and without us scotland is nothing

together we created the modern world...we cant let it go to waste because of jimmy crankie and her fucking autistic zombies who watched braveheart one day and unironically believe everything that happened in it

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BBC barely reports on the leave side. Its all interviews with politicians and bureaucrats saying how uncertain it will be etc.

They are scraping the barrel now - they had the mayor or New York today saying we should remain. What the fuck he's got to do with it?...

UKIP really need to smash it in Scotland soon.

>put the burka in the background, best not scare the voters who are, you know, a bit too nationalist

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Nationalists that vote SNP can't read, and would never pick up a book or pamphlet. If they couldn't they wouldn't have voted for the SNP.

>As a Scot

Don't talk shite ya fucking poofter, you're as much of a Scotsman as fucking Napoleon.

UKIP are barely even trying with Scotland. Davidson needs to break the Scottish Conservatives off as a separate party from the Conservatives in the rest of the UK.

More of a Scot than you you socialist, shitskin loving cuck.

how many philipinos do they have in scotland?

What are these new tanks you lads have?

No, Scotland needs an actual Scottish old school Tory man, not a Centrist Lesbian with no real opinion on anything.

You have no idea what my political views are, Ivanovanovanovic, but I can guarantee you that the OP is English.

Armata T-14 - they look pretty amazing, I was here for the victory day parade (Scot on Business here).

If you voted SNP or independance you voted for Socialism and Shitskins, so I'd say I'm pretty accurate, despite whatever it is you though you were voting for without reading the fine print.

I hear ya.
If we go independent and then walk straight into the clusterfuck of the EU then it's all been for absolutely fuck all.
If that happens then I'm fucking off out of it.

I saw a reporter raving about some now armour they have

>an actual Scottish old school Tory man
To begin with they need to take the tarnish off the party and at least show themselves to be distinctly separate from their Westminster colleagues. An actual Conservative would be immediately labelled as a sexist for criticising Sturgeon and a racist, and most voters would believe it.

Yeah it sounds pretty amazing.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata#Protection

Fair points.

A new party might be a better move.

Yup, it's definitely not the case that the bulk of SNP support stems from the single issue of Scottish independence, that would be completely ridiculous...

It's pretty obvious, a vote for the SNP is a vote for the only party that can deliver an independent Scotland, nothing more or less.

Every time I've heard that Nigel is up here the fucker gets hounded by the tolerant and caring lefties and the idiots who think anyone with an English accent is the enemy.
It's need to be SKIP... If you get me..

The economic argument seems to be outweighing every other point the leavers have unfortunately. For some reason the remainers keep talking about changing the EU from within... Cameron couldn't even get change with the threat of Britain leaving, what are you going to change?

>A new party might be a better move.
It would, but bringing a new party into a position where it becomes a serious competitor in an election seems to take a very long time.

Scotland would do great as a country. Scotland should become independent and go over to driving on the right hand side. Scotland belongs to the rest of us. You are properly one of us Europeans and have a much more cosmopolitan and continental world view.

Yes, or in other words pure ignorance of epic proportions to the very well defined plans post independence over which they will have no say or debate.

Ronny Deila is shit.

Unless I'm mistaken, you are actually conflating the two separate notions of voting for the SNP to gain independence, and the subsequent vote that would have to take place to establish the first government of an independent Scotland?

Precisely right. Change form within to them just means many well paid trips to Brussels, which include generous allowances, housing, salary and expenses for everyone.

If you haven't already, watch the Brexit movie - it's an eye opener.

youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0

Yes, it would take at least 2 full election cycles and a lot of funding.

It's pretty grim.

>and the subsequent vote that would have to take place to establish the first government of an independent Scotland?
The remnants of the Tory and Labour parties still active in Scotland have exactly zero chance of winning that election.

No. The SNP would retain control of the country with their new found majority. And would form Scotland's Constitution to benefit them, and any other pro-indy/leftist parties.

Based Russia :)

I think we'll leave, and if we do I think a large portion of Scotland will back the leave. The SNP don't realize how much damage the EU does to Scotland's fishing industry and how the EU fucks over any small business.

Every post on Facebook, news website, or person I've seen wants to leave the EU. The media just blanks it out and attempts to show the Remain vote as winning so people don't bother voting.

UKIP will NEVER win in Scotland. I've said it multiple times, and I'll continue to say it. Scotland needs a new political party that pro-union voters can rally behind. All you need to do is take the Nationalism card away from the SNP and you'll fuck them in any election.

Scotland needs a moderate political party. One that can take the Nationalism card away from the SNP, and have the pro-union voters rally behind it.

Hell, the only reason the SNP continues to win a majority is because Pro-Unionist don't rally behind a single party, whereas Pro-Indy cunts rally behind the SNP. The SNP don't have good policies to actually support them.

>this time the vote YES to leave the UK wins
They had virtually every possible advantage in 2014, and still lost.

Why do you think they'll win when everything's gotten worse for them since then?

They still won't answer the curency question.

uh, why not vote to exist and hop the border. England would probably be better off without them based on your opinion. then just build a wall

What do the bookies predict?

I live in renfrewshire lad. Just because I don't spout the hivemind garbage you believe doesn't make me English. Our country is fucked with this mindset.

Means to the same end.

If independence happened the SNP would still be the party in power. The constitution is already decided, the whitepaper spells it all out, and there is no changing that now, or post independence. The outcome would be horrific for those of us that oppose the EU and Open migration among many other defined and already pre-decided issues.

Independance under those terms is a nightmare, and there is nothing free or independent about their vision for Scotland.

>If independence happened the SNP would still be the party in power

Eh, no, there would be an election, and the people of Scotland would vote for a new government, and not likely the SNP.

I actually can't get over the ignorance of this post.

Fuck me, just fucking try and justify it you weak minded faggot.

Ladbrokes is currently backing 79% Remain

>and not likely the SNP

Who's going to win instead? A Labour party who just lost a pro-unionist campaign, lost a lot of it's funding, and to the electorate represents Westminster in further independence negotiations?

>I think we'll leave, and if we do I think a large portion of Scotland will back the leave. The SNP don't realize how much damage the EU does to Scotland's fishing industry and how the EU fucks over any small business.
>Every post on Facebook, news website, or person I've seen wants to leave the EU. The media just blanks it out and attempts to show the Remain vote as winning so people don't bother voting.

To be honest I think you're a little misguided in your prediction if you're just basing it on social media or online communities. If that were the case, Ron Paul would be the POTUS right now.

It'd take no more than 2 cycles to become either the majority, or a serious contender for the majority in the Scottish Parliament.

The majority of SNPs voters follow them blindly because of the Nationalism card. They don't vote Conservatives because its an "English Party" nor do they vote Labour for the same reason. If you can take away the Nationalism card from the SNP you would take away their majority and open the playing field for the rest of the parties in Scotland, and your own.

Then all you need is 3 or 4 policies that the masses can easily get behind. Simple things that aren't hard to implement but are strong arguing points:

1. Reform Income Tax - No income tax on those who earn below £15,000 (Or so), freeze/cut income tax on the middle class and slightly raise income tax on the higher class.

2. Cut Public Spending in Useless Areas - Drop politicians pay to £35,000 (I'd love to see a party argue against it), cut out useless NHS/Council Staff and streamline both.

3. Invest in Secondary Education - Prepare teenagers more for life while in education. Assist those who don't want to go to Uni/College. Seek more apprentice schemes.

4. Invest in Scottish Industry - Self explanatory.

Who would they vote for then? The Conservatives? Labour? Green? No. They'd vote for the political party who has just made Scotland a independent country, and they'd continue voting for the SNP until the country inevitably collapses on itself.

You seem to post this (I assume it is you) in every Scottish thread.

So you think the party that led to independance would not be the party that gets re-elected. And who exactly would people jump shit to, please enlighten me.

Even if your imaginary and ridiculous outcome were correct it does not change the fact that an independent Scotland will unequivocally remain in the EU as well as adopt the policies that have already been decided as far as migration, refugees, citizenship, the queen as head of state, etc.

Bugger.

Aye.

>It'd take no more than 2 cycles to become either the majority
It would take a bare minimum of 2 cycles. Setting up a political party which can beat an incumbent takes an enormous amount of time, effort and funding.

With actual proportional representation, there would likely be no party with the overall largest majority.There's likely to be a wide range of votes cast, with the largest majority probably going to labour, or maybe even the conservatives.

What you perceive as support for the SNP is actually just support for independence.

>Scotland will unequivocally remain in the EU

How can Scotland remain a member when it has never been a member?

So following biased polls that have failed to accurately predict general elections in the past is more accurate? Those polls will be conducted in Pro-EU centers to give the public the imagine that the Leave side has already lost to stop people from voting.

Besides, most of my friends/colleagues are left-wing and generally against nationalism but they want to leave the EU.

>or maybe even the conservatives

Against the SNP riding in on a high after winning an independence vote and promising to fulfill all their bullshit promises they made before the referendum? No.

All the best Scots died during the Highland Clearances by the cuck Scots we see today.

CURRENT YEAR

The SNP do not 'win' the independence vote, it is nothing to do with them, and you really should stop conflating support for the SNP with support for independence.

Things will become a lot clearer to you when you do.

>What you perceive as support for the SNP is actually just support for independence.

While I support independence I cannot overlook the SNP's shitiness. 2014 I was willing to risk it. Sturgeon has dragged the overton window in Scotland into dangerously 'leftist' territory.

And speaking to friends about this, many of them seem to like the SNP for the SNP, beyond just a means to an end.

Scotland would rejoin in the very slim chance it was not automatic and every party in Scotland is steadfast dedicated to EU membership, and its is pre-supposed in the whitepaper.

Are you trying to tell me you think Scotland would remain outside of the EU and independent in your fantasy outcome? Must be nice to be such an optimist.

Ignorance is bliss they say...

The SNP would be the largest party with a proportional voting system. They have just under 50% of the voters currently, whereas Labour, Conservatives and other parties have to split the remainder. Then the SNP would just form a coalition with a smaller party that shares similar ideologies.

I hope you're right.

>The SNP do not 'win' the independence vote, it is nothing to do with them
Of course they do. It's the defining policy of their party, and they'll be at the forefront of the independence campaign.

are you going to tell me how I'm English?

I'd love to see the SNP win independence after the UK leaves the EU, and then the EU denies them membership.

I dunno, do you suck dicks and talk like a poof?

>They have just under 50% of the voters currently

Yes, and when independence is gained, and they are no longer need, it'll drop to about 25%.

is that what you've gathered from the OP and my subsequent posts, fella?

Nobody likes the SNP because of their policies. Hell, I bet half of their followers wouldn't even be able to name another SNP policy besides Scotland being independent. Its the only reason they are popular.

Scotland would join the EFTA or be part of some other agreement. As an EU member and being forced to follow EU trading rules, it wouldn't be able to freely trade with rUK.

Vote a UK Trump into office AND BUILD A WALL, worked for the Romans

Does anyone know the Shetland guy who kept having panic attacks in these threads that the SNP may have taken his constituency?

Turns out the Lib Dems strengthened their majority there, he must be relieved as fuck.

And why would people stop voting for them and begin voting for other parties?

Do you really think people will suddenly become Conservative and Labour voters after all they did to Scotland during the referendum build up and the years before that? Or would they vote for the party that won them the right to govern themselves like William Wallace would have wanted!

Maybe 10-15 years down the line after independence the SNP may lose its majority and shrink, but it's still slim chances.

Right but Sturgeon's anti austerity, anti-tory 'leftism' is pretty popular. Not as popular as Sup Forums likes to make out but make no mistake lad, we're fast becoming a nation of cucks. A majority of my friends launch into full libtard mode whenever I mention anything left of Labour. And these are guys closer to 30 and 40 tan 20. They can never really explain WHY the EU is good, or UKIP bad. Tey just KNOW tat the SNP are te best party. Despite evidence to the contrary.

Yeah man. He was present in my failed UKIP FOR REGIONAL VOTES threads. He seemed genuinely scared.

Martin M. Laidlaw here.

We will vote to Remain.

The SNP already lost their majority in the recent general elections ya fucken toilet brush.

honestly cunts on here thinkin they ken shite just because some other cunt wrote something wit hee-haw prior knowledge of said subject

you're a fucking nob jockey m8

Scotland would immediately petition to rejoin, that is a given.

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The SNP candidate for Shetland actually crashed his car into a telephone box on Whalsay, what a fucking arsehole. No wonder he wasn't elected.

heraldscotland.com/politics/14456494.Election_Unspun__Don_t_call_us__we_ll_call_you/

>leechgreekia

implying greeks dont want to leave

Aye, tae fuck wi the ritten rooles and shite, it aw ginnae be ok as lang and thaers freedum!

People love the SNP because of Nationalism. Its honestly that simple. Many of the SNPs voters hate the Conservatives and Labour because they're "English" and aren't "for Scotland" like the SNP likes to pretend it is.

Besides Nicola Sturgeons anti-austerity highlights why she is a poor leader and a poor politician. While the Conservatives attempt to lower public spending to reduce the deficit she continues over-spending and adding to ours. Sooner or later the SNP will collapse on itself when it comes to light how much debt we are in and that the SNP continues to overspend each year. It'll come soon lad, it just takes time.

The SNP have never had a majority in votes. They have had a majority in seats, but never voters.

Cunt.

>most powerful nation

well sheeeeeet, who'd have thought that the only concern of the SNP was power.

>Sooner or later the SNP will collapse on itself when it comes to light how much debt we are in and that the SNP continues to overspend each year.
They'll blame Westminster, most of their supporters are stupid enough to fall for it.

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>SNP push for second independence vote
>this time the vote YES to leave the UK wins
no new indy referendum will be allowed. the majority voted to stay with the UK, that will be it for a generation at least, hopefully longer because 16 years old were allowed to vote. (it should only be viable for consideration when those who were eligible to vote are in the minority of the population).

the brexit vote is UK wide, majority says in or out, so the scottish region argument is invalid. it's like saying edinburgh should be allowed to vote to remain in the UK if scotland voted for independence, but edinburgh voted to remain.

it's a nonsense argument, one that should just be met with a tut and shake of the head.

>Many of the SNPs voters hate the Conservatives and Labour

Sounds reasonable.

>because they're "English" and aren't "for Scotland"

ITT: Things that really, really, honestly, happen. Honest.

Not this time. They've managed to get away with it in the past because they didn't have the financial power they do now. Especially when people realize that the SNP have been borrowing all this money from pensions.

Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP don't understand democracy.

>the brexit vote is UK wide, majority says in or out, so the scottish region argument is invalid

Not only that, the Brexit vote was on the table during the last independence referendum. Scotland explicitly voted to go along with the rest of the UK.