Can you believe that there were people so fucking stupid they thought Bernie Sanders would become president...

Can you believe that there were people so fucking stupid they thought Bernie Sanders would become president? And that they hope he runs again in 2020?

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>lol i want to pay more for health care
Why are Americans so fucking stupid?

Yes I can imagine that. I think you're using hyberbole as a sort of strawman tactic. Why do you think people are so stupid they wouldn't point that out immediately?

>huuur durrr I'm a bernie supporter, just promise me free shit and I'm yours

Imagine someone that comes by and picks up your trash every week that you don't pay for but gets paid by someone else because it's a facet of life in the 21st century

Crazy right? That could never exist, whoever wants their trash picked up would need to pay the person to do it and nothing else would work

Mostly college age liberals who want free everything. They don't realize how much free healthcare or free college really costs. They think everything would be the same except free. They don't realize that to pay for state sponsored healthcare the money would be taken from somewhere else and taxes would go through the fucking roof.

I assume the people who voted for him are blithering morons because they voted for him. It's like seeing a guy eating dog shit, except with college kids who want free shit.

Mostly middle-age conservatives who want free everything. They don't realize how much free not paying their employees or their pensions really costs. They think everything would be the same except free. They don't realize that to pay for corporate bailouts the money would be taken from somewhere else and taxes would go through the fucking roof.

Not compelling or well thought out, but I don't expect much from here. I do the same thing too so it's okay.

How about that magic money you're talking about coming out of the billion dollar defense budget???????

>Live in Australia
>Have fairly major surgery coming up soon
>Not worried in the slightest because I know it will basically be entirely free
>No loan needed, Absolutely no financial difficulty whatsoever

Oh and higher education can be paid for with a deferred loan from the government (HECS) which only increases with inflation and only needs to be paid back when you earn more than a certain threshold, then paid back slowly through your taxes

>free higher education
>pay teachers more

These aren't mutually exclusive concepts, despite what the image says.

lol asking brainwashed people to reason

good luck with that

Whose gonna police the world without our military? Should we let Russia take that job, or the EU maybe? See how that works out?

Not funny my brother was born rarted.

>Trump turned out to be lame so I am going to make fun of a guy he didn't even run against.

Stay mad at your terrible decision. I hope your low skill low wage mining job is the best you will ever get in life

can you say irony

nice 1 m8
I really do envy all the other western countries that weren't flooded with poor immigrants. Universal healthcare would be a cinch if the US had the demographic of basically any other western country.

I like bernie and think that he is a good man who cares about people. I think medicare for all is a good idea.

I don't think completely free college tuition is a good idea or should be merit based.

I also think he would have been a total cuck on foreign policy as he erroneously believes that all state actors are reasonable.

He also isn't electable by the general public. People who disagree are just wrong.

Doesn't work

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BRAINWASHED TRUMP REDNECK FAMILY VALUE IDIOTS

Man you could have been fun but you just made it about you.

Had the same thing happen in England, all the kids and retards thought Corbyn would win because he's an old man who wants to make everything free AND THE RICH WILL PAY FOR IT!!!!! Because what could go wrong there and then lost by an enormous amount... But hilariously claimed it was a victory

>Went to school in a country that isn't the US so have a basic understanding of economy and funding of government entities
>Understand that taxing corporations more, taxing religious organisations, and spending less on military would create a huge amount of wealth for healthcare and education


3 of my grandparents beat cancer due to free healthcare in the UK, all of my grandparents still alive (one pair in 90s, one in mid 80s)
I had free braces, never had to pay due to aliment in my whole life, and I'm never going to be thrown into thousands of debt for needing to get better.
You republican fucktards are so incredibly dim. Bunch of fat neckbeards clawing at an attempt to seem intelligent to anonymous strangers, by vastly miscalculating budgets, ignoring logic, and using buzzwords as a thin facade for their pedestrian understanding of economics.

Higher education as in collage the teachers need to be paid better does not cover this that is for the public school teachers. They have nothing to do with one another.

>taxing corporations more
You mean raising prices of all goods and services while also creating unemployment and wiping out small businesses

no one thought corbyn was going to win.
Tory majority was always the prediction, but they ended up losing a huge amount of their seats from parliament. Labour did not expect a majority win, tories shooting themselves in the foot was the best outcome for them, and it happened.
You really don't understand UK politics, I hope to god you aren't a registered voter. Do you know how to tie your shoelaces?

Yup, that's exactly what happens when you tax a corporation more. You an oxford economics graduate?
Don't worry, the McDonald's you frequent will still be up and running, and the prices will stay the same.

>corporations will take the tax hit without raising prices
Which is why the price of Tobacco, alcohol, and other products individually taxed by states is all uniform.

Lost a small number of seats while taking out UKIP entirely and getting the largest popular vote ever as well as taking 2nd place in Scotland - and of course, fortified the Brexit position which is what it was all about. Tell me more about how you're such an expert

>be corporation
>forced to pay extra so that peasants can smoke more
>"this is fine, we won't change a thing"
Is this what you really think

Nice quads libtard

>be corporation
except that is impossible. Sure, we yanks have given it individual rights as a person, but we still don't believe we can be one.

Corporations are still made of people, people who want profits. You are genuinely retarded if you think ANY business will sit back and take massive losses without changing their cost structures

>made up of people who want profits
Shareholders are who the corporation is beholden to. Employees are easily discarded and replaced/outsourced. Want to take a guess who the shareholders are?

>Went to school in the US.

alright OP you can calm down now

>meanwhile in the whitehouse

>cut taxes
>increase our already unnecessarily large military budget

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He lost what ..10 months ago?

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>They fell for the free shit meme
Hey its all free. Not like anyones gonna pay for it

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he was very obviously the only halfway decent person running with half a chance in hell of winning, even if that is moreso because the other options were both narcissistic fuckwits without a care in the world beyond their own image and well being than his own political stances.

This is 100% accurate.
Who in the fuck is going to take care of all the bums that dand free healthcare.
Yet sit on their lazy ass and dont work.
"Hey its free. Pass the buck. The rich will pay"

The one on the right is so reductionist it's unreal. Are they saying everyone in the NHS, for example, is akin to a slave?

>button 3: taxes on the 1% should be higher and loopholes should be closed
>*presses all buttons*
there I fixed it

Hes a doctor, dumbass

>I suggest we take some tax money and use it to pay doctors to treat people who cannot afford to pay the doctor themselves
>HE WANTS TO ENSLAVE ME AND MAKE ME WORK FOR POOR PEOPLE!

What a bunch of pedantic bullshit. I voted for ron paul in 2012, but rand is a fucking ignoramus on par with the rest of the usual republican dunces.

WIN.RAR :))))))

FINALLY THE FUCKING RIGHT ANSWER

>Calling someone a dumbass for not wanting to pay for all the free shit Bernie cuckold sanders offers.
Youre the dumbass. All Bernie does is blame the rich and claim he will guve away free shit. Except its not free. The middle class will be hammered

why cant we have both? i mean the us spends 100 times more money on military than we do education so maybe just even it out a little

> Hurr durr murrica, me need no insurances, healthcare or whatever
> Hello it's me Irma
> Hurr durr i'm so fucked because of hurricane. How to get rid of debts
> muh america

Same with you or someone you love stroke, cancer, bypass, any other illness that causes chronic illness, accident, ... Murricans are just stupid ... They think they all will never get in such a situation until they are in it.

And if you would cut your extreme high military spendings half then you would still have biggest militair budget and you could effort some proper education and healthcare

Bernie sanders would wipe the floor with trump.

all trump can shout about are mexicans

all Bernie Sanders can shout about is the failing exonomic orthodoxy of the past 40 years and how we must break from it

Trump has complaints, SANDERS HAS ANSWERS TO THE PROBLEM

There are plenty of non keynesian models that allow for this kind of thing. Here's an article if you're interested in the 'how are you going to pay for that?' question;

taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/05/04/how-are-you-going-to-pay-for-it/

tl;dr-Not with taxes

they've been getting hammered since Reagon by 'trickle down' - 1: lower taxes! Yay! 2: $ to offshore banks 3: poverty! (for everyone but me and my shitty kids :)
Real wages for the mid-income and down have been falling since then. The rich have been cucking the rest of us since then. Unless you're one of those like---seven people...you're just bending over when you vote for mainline republicans or dems

How will the middle class be hammered by tax raises though? you mean the middle class will be HELPED ???

Sanders is after the banks and big pharma, the cunts who pay no tax.

So? That doesn't clarify anything, he's still wrong for suggesting public sector workers are slaves.

of course higher education should be free and teachers should be paid more
those 2 are not mutually exclusive

why is this so difficult to understand, is it because americans are all inbreed peasants?

the us taxpayers pay for healthcare.
the us government allocates less money to military
this is a first world country and its supposed to be the best in the world. we should have free healthcare and free education. this far into the game we should have free food and free housing as well.

if a postal worker doesnt want to deliver mail, he loses his job. if a physician doesnt want to treat a patient, he loses his job. seems fair to me.

>Sanders is after the banks and big pharma, the cunts who pay no tax.
fucking this. His tax plan by a large margin targeted the highest brackets, whose rates have been plummeting since the spike required to fund WWII, not to mention the built-in discount due to inflation.

And that was why I feel justified even having flipped from ron paul (possibly the wackiest, most fiscally conservative fucker ever) to sanders (the wackiest left-wingnut ever). Ronnie was after the federal reserve like white on white rice. They both had their sights set on a real objective rather than pandering to empty bullshit like terrorism and fucking transgender bathrooms. Why the fuck can't anyone see the real issues?

I feel like you're lacking the reading comprehension skills to understand what's going on and what's being said. He's a doctor and the government mandating that healthcare is a right insists that people are entitled to his work as a right. They're entitled to his time as a right, implying he isn't free and would therefore lack his own agency. Read: slave.

You know that even some third world countries have an running free healthcare? US politics are fucked up

>public sector wokers are slaves.
The presmise of Dr. Pauls argument is that he shouldnt be forced to work as a doctor to give free healthcare to 300million people in the US.
This is a free market captilist society.
Not a socialist country like Cuba.
His points are more then valid.

Furthermore. I take the word of a Docotr then I do a crack pot communist from Vermont. Who has never worked a real job in his life.
>hippie

Is Rand Paul taking drugs or what? What the fuck is he talking about? Has europe slavery? The fact you are arguing with such shit Just shows how fucking stupid you are

>free

Confirmed retard, nothing is free. Go fuck an abbo

slaves don't get a paycheck from the government equal to the amount they would normally earn working for a private hospital, you knuckle-dragging half-wit. It is highly unlikely in any event that all doctors would be forced into working for socialized institutions, anyway. No well-off nation with socialized healthcare has completely dissolved private hospitals and doctors offices. Quit believing the scare-mongering bullshit and open your fucking eyes.

> healthcare costs too much
> oh wait ... why do we have those debts again?

I take it you have never read a book in your life. Lets just say the rich have been outsmarting and holding the vast majority of wealth for centuries. The further back you go. The worse it gets.
Litterally.
I may add, stop with the straw man tactics. Blaimimg those with an opposing oppinion who do not drink the koolaide of a socilaist. "Free shit for everyone, now give me your vote!"
Doesnt work in Venezuela. Wont work here.

>He's a doctor and the government mandating that healthcare is a right insists that people are entitled to his work as a right.

They're not in a public healthcare system. He could work privately or stop working. False equivalence.

>They're entitled to his time as a right, implying he isn't free and would therefore lack his own agency

Except he has agency as identified above, and would be paid in line with his peers as in the NHS. What's your point here?

>The presmise of Dr. Pauls argument is that he shouldnt be forced to work as a doctor to give free healthcare to 300million people in the US.

And he'd never be expected to do that, even in a public healthcare system.

>This is a free market captilist society.

Which doesn't mean public services are written off, as in social democracies.

>His points are more then valid.

Still waiting on your explanation of why a public sector is slavery in that case.

>charts are facts

Go wait for next hurricane to fuck your life

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> I dont know what the word source in the picture means
Typical murrica

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>but it's okay if they take our money and property to keep failing banks, churches, and farms afloat, to keep perpetuating pointless wars in countries that don't fucking matter. Just as long as we don't help sick poor people. They're probably black anyway, so fuck them.

> when your iq is potato

>They're not in a public healthcare system. He could work privately or stop working. False equivalence.
Your reasoning skills are poor. DOCTOR Rand Paul, is SUGGESTING that given Sen. Sanders premise that we switch to a national healthcare system. Which would define his outlook for "everyone is covered". That implies directly that such said services would therfore be provided by Doctors. The very same doctors whom practice privetly in a open market free capatlist society.
The direct opposite being France for example. In which they are payed roughly the same as all other doctors.
That is socialism, defined!
Now Dr. Paul suggests that he FEELS he would be forced to see people that the government mandates. And from which that implyes at any given time!
Choosing the word slavery was incorrect.
"Bondage" would likely be a more correct term to use.

shut up you fucking idiot

But that's not socialism defined at all, its your definition of socialism. As for him 'feeling' it would be the case, I thought we shouldn't let feelings come into politics? Regardless, its easy to compare to other social democracies with a private/public system such as the UK and see that that's not how its implemented at all. Its paranoid and reductionist, and its still not telling me why public sector workers are akin to slaves.

>shitty fallacies: the thread
no wonder you retards hate education. you clearly didn't get anything out of yours.

conservative dumb-asses think they tax-cut their way to prosperity

>feelings.
Those are his personal oppions. Ones that adults such as myself, take in to account.
>thats not socialism
France has National Healthcare.
If thats not socialism. Then nothing is.