Why do many of my fellow fedoras pretend that modern day Christianity is anywhere close to being as bad as modern day...

Why do many of my fellow fedoras pretend that modern day Christianity is anywhere close to being as bad as modern day Islam?

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All of the liberal ones, i.e. nobody on this board.

>pretend that modern day Christianity is anywhere close to being as bad as modern day Islam?
No one.

Although christianity being better doesn't justify believing in any fairy tales either.

most religious people in power would love nothing more than their government to be a theocracy, obviously muslims are WAY fucking worse for this, but the point still stands

Christianity is like a mild skin cancer.

Islam is like an aggressive brain cancer.

False equivalence is just one of a litany of brain-dead logical fallacies liberals will use to, ironically, defend an intolerant fanatical and extremely conservative Satanist cult.

There's a bunch of other ones like:

>1.7 billion sub-humans can't all be bad

And

>The Quran is actually very peaceful

And my personal favourite:

>Islam is actually feminist

Implying it isn't worse

Christian morals rotted our civilization from the inside. It's the religion of slaves who wanted to escape their conditions by denying reality and declaring noble that which they had and evil that which they did not.

It's much easier to talk about external agression from islam than the internal subversion caused by christianity

>t. freshman who read his Nietzsche chapter and like, had his eyes opened, man

My friend does this.
He also says that American Muslims are the same as middle eastern ones.

I'm in the military and he replies to my stories with "not all of them want war" and "America made them like this by destabilizing them".

Funny how Christians had no problems fighting Muslims, even invading their lands, for centuries and suddenly, after Christianity was almost abandoned by the West, Christianity is conveniently to blame for sand niggers being let in by mostly atheist liberals and commies not to mention Jews.

Funny, that.

Never mind that the gospel is widely interpreted as being very firmly against theocracy, what would a christian theocracy even look like today?

As much as I hate him, Bill Maher is a consistent atheist and at least admits Islam is far worse than Christianity

In an indirect way Christianity is to blame. Modern liberalism is a heresy of Christianity, just as Christianity is a heresy of Judaism

The Crusaders had more in common with a Pagan Roman Legionarie than with a typical medieval self-flagellant christian monk, that rejected the flesh and is telling himself about how this world is evil, how the meek and wretched will inherit the Earth while the strong falls and is vanquished

One would struggle to find a reason as to why the Cruzader was an actual believer in the words of Jesus and not a mercenary roleplaying as well: either the modus vivendis of the monk that studied the Bible their own lives was the true christian way, or it was the modus vivendis of the cruzader mercenary that looked for treasures and glory in this world that Jesus had already damned as pointless and damned

Never mind that the supporters of mass immigration are far from just "atheist liberals and Jews"

From the Christian Democrats of Merkel, to the pro-islamic Pope, to the suicidal cultists of Jonestown, to the socialist christians of Thomas Müntzer, to the self-castrating cathars, to the martyrs of Ancient Rome... they are all the same... believers in the words of a propher that promised them that Death was the key to salvation, and that those that wanted to die would live... while those that wanted to live would be damned

Because they are? Just look how the Spanish Inquisition killed millions of heretics for practicing witchcraft, manage one of the most unfair trials, honesty believing witchcraft existed, and held the accused in one of the worst prisons imaginable, which then they tortured them with the most gruesome devices. Let's not forget the Black Plague, which is also Christians fault. it's payback for slavery because Christians totally started that too and tried to prevent ending such a practice from the secular, progressive types who knew it was evil all along, and the Muslims who never operated slavery in a large scale like the Atlantic slave trade Christians controlled.

The Christians are always the bad guys in history and were the opposing force in everything moral in this world. That's why everyone knows the Crusades were also entirely caused by Christians as well.

This isn't mentioning how they held scientific progress: pic related.

Liberalism is overwhelmingly atheist. Modern liberalism comes from the French revolution which was also an anti-clerical and secular revolution.

Man, you're REALLY stretching here.

I find it hypocritical that atheist nationalists blame Christianity for the fall of the West when modern liberalism goes almost hand-in-hand with secularism and anti-Christian sentiment.

Fuck atheism and fuck Islam.

Stretching it how exactly?

Who said "Europe deserves and welcomes the arabic invasion"

a) Richard Dawkins
b) Pope Francis

Who said "Love your enemies", "Submit to your cross", "if they take your coat give them your shirt as well", "Hate your family and your own self so that you can love me and become my follower"?
a) Diagoras of Melos (world's first historical atheist)
b) Jesus

Modern Liberalism goes in hand-in-hand with Christianity

Have you ever wonderer why non-christian yet progressive countries like Japan and Singapore are not inviting the whole world to live at their own expense?

It's just as bad because its tenants directly lead to modern day liberal culture which allowed muslims and other shitskins to flood our nations.

And of course that Modern Liberalism requires hatred of Christianity, for christians want nothing more than to be persecuted so that the end of the times can finally come!

the persecution and oppression of Christians is a key point of the Apocalypse, and something their morality looks forward to

That Liberalism hates them is nothing but to comply with the requirement of self-hatred that Jesus demanded!

It's all perspective I guess. I mean is being a cuck better or worse than being a savage?

Because like with any bully they go for the easy target that they perceive to be weak.

They're pretty much just kicking a corpse at this point, unlike Islam where if they insulted it enough, somebody would probably try and make an attempt on their life.

I mean what's the worst Christianity does at this point? Remember Westboro? The most they did was make some fairly amusing Lady Gaga parodies.

>Liberalism is overwhelmingly atheist.

Therein is the heresy. Liberalism is essentially what happens when you take God away from christianity, there's not a great deal else to it.

Atheists are just anti christian
Feminists are just anti white male
SJWs are just anti white everything

Theyre all just code for anti white male Christian values etc. That's why you have the same women bitching about rape culturw begging for more refugees and atheists saying islam is peace

Allahu Akbar!

shut it down, kaffir.

>2016
>not being christian
good goyim

your a dorable

How can they not be if Christianity itself is after anti-Christian, for it promises them persecution, oppression, and finally, the destruction of the world!

I'm new to politics and trying to wrap my head around this. America is not at war with Islam so I'm told. We are at war with Sunni Islam? Is that right? And Shiite Islam is semi-tolerable as I understand it? That's what I've gathered from reading these boards here for a few weeks.

Because they are self-hating narcissists that have been brainwashed by the you know who to try to convert Christians into atheists so it makes more room for Islam and mosques.

This is all a scheme and fedora masters are pawns that are used to destroy traditional family values and traditions to make room for "multi culture".

You guys are lucky that Communism inoculated you against Christian Moralism

In Western Europe and USA, where Christian Morality wasn't violently imposed by the state in the form of Bolshevikism, Christianity degenerated into a bizarre cult of self-destruction, worship of Israel and adoption of niglets

Christians are less likely to behead you if you criticize them.

> self-hating narcissists

You just wrote a contradiction

Europe is not being killed by the anti-christian values of narcissist egotism, strength signalling and greedy capitalism, it is killed by christian values like pathological altruism, virtue signalling, and selfless socialism

Narcissist people don't have to justify themselves by helping the wretched, meek and inferior "inherit the Earth"

Because Christianity doesn't kill them, and they don't get labeled racists by the left if they criticize christians.

shiia islam is INDISTINGUISHABLE from sunni islam from a western perspective

shiia is just a much smaller sect with less money so they dont have the power to strike against civilization as readily

if the roles were reversed, shiia would be even worse than the sunnis.

shiia literally wants the end of the world. they DESIRE their prophesied apocalypse like wacky evangelicals, but evangelicals hope and pray for their doomsday, which accomplishes nothing

shiias actually want to physically bring about their wacky armageddon fantasies

I'm a fedora and I'd choose living in a Christian theocracy 10x over an Islamic one.

I'll admit I'm biased- raised Christian, sentimental, see the good in Christ's teachings.

I think theres more to it than that. East Germany was behind the iron curtain as well, and theyre just as pozzed as west Germany. So apparently the east germans learned nothing after decades of marxist rule, while then poles did? Doesnt make sense from your assessment

this, definitely

>theyre just as pozzed as west Germany

Gotta disagree

Alternative for Germany (the Sup Forums party in Germany) is doing 23 % in Eastern Germany and 11 % in Western Germany

>I'm a fedora and I'd choose living in a Christian theocracy 10x over an Islamic one.

Everybody does friend.

Even our leftists friends who insist on apologizing for Islam would rather live in a Christian country than a Muslim country.

>Spanish Inquisition killed millions
topkek

That's bait, Manuel.

Thats still only a slight bit more. Only 23% absolute. Hardly indicative of a people who held on to their traditional values while suffering under marxism.

Well it is evident that Germany is a special case because they also underwent national rape, that is going to result in a quite fucked up national and traditional entity

Have you been on a fucking campus lately?
It's absurd how hypersensitive people are, and saying anything about the goat fucking religion gets you into situations like the one at MASS U when Milo, Steven, and Christina went there to speak.

funny how the muzzies invaded spain, judea, the balkans, france, north africa, the phillipines, india, parts of china, and got all the way to vienna austria and now wish to portray themselves as victims of western barbarity.

islam is a violent death cult that has to expand or it will shrivel up and die.

when they face resistance and win they are "making holy jihad against mischief makers and enemies of allah" but when they get their asses kicked they claim to be helpless victims, seeking only to defend themselves from evil western incursions

what did phillipino villagers deep in the jungles of mindanao do to offend against islam?

NOTHING! but they still get hacked up with machetes for refusing to become moslems

shove your lies right back up your ass mustafa, nobody believes your bullshit.

>pope is bad so christianity is bad durr
you know through history there were even worse popes than Francis

as for the verses
>Love your enemies
>Submit to your cross
>if they take your coat give them your shirt as well
Self suffering is humble, forgiving YOUR PERSONAL enemies is humble.
But not reacting to violence towards the weak is not humble. It's a disgrace, beacuse Courage is one of the Cardinal Virtues
Catechiscm of the Catholic Church 1808
>Fortitude is the moral virtue that ensures firmness in difficulties and constancy in the pursuit of the good. It strengthens the resolve to resist temptations and to overcome obstacles in the moral life. The virtue of fortitude enables one to conquer fear, even fear of death, and to face trials and persecutions. It disposes one even to renounce and sacrifice his life in defense of a just cause. "The Lord is my strength and my song."70 "In the world you have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."71
and the last one should be
>“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.
And you understand this completly wrong. It's not about hate, it's about taking love for God and Christ even above your family

where do you fit the moslem dark age currently under way?

muzzies havent done a damned thing scientifically since 1100, they are just wallowing in their own crapulence.

further, the dark ages were not a "chrisitan" problem, they were an anarchy problem. the fall of rome left a void, and western civilization spiraled out of control,while a mini ice age drove europe to the edge of disaster

curiously, at around the same time CHINA was having a dark age of their own.
did the christians cause that too?

go be ignorant someplace else mustafa.

It's not just a loud minority either. I was in my Spanish class, and my professor made a comment about this one black guy having a black name. Said professor was a tad eccentric, but never anything other than welcoming and respectful towards his students. People were dropping their mouths like "holy SHIT?! Did he just say that?"

This is the kind of world we're creating by coddling these people. Constant walking on egg shells, and don't you dare even mention someone's physical traits (unless you're black...then feel free to say the most fucked up shit about Asians and Middle Easterners that you can think up).

Gold leaf for you. Good post.

protestantism=heresy
only Roman Catholic and Christian Orthodox are the true way of a Christian
all this bullshit is not the way of God
breitbart.com/london/2015/10/05/worlds-first-lesbian-bishop-calls-church-remove-crosses-install-muslim-prayer-space/

Jesus ruling the world from the Throne of David in Jerusalem.

Such a stupid graph. First time I see it, but a small search on the web revealed how infamously dumb it is. Pls tell me, leaf, what's in this graph? We see Egyptians then greek then roman then the middle ages and a title "muh science".... What illiterate fuck completely forgot Arabs, who progressed into science after the Christian world neglected it? Still the point stands. "Muh Spanish inquisition", right? I have to admit till recently I was unaware of the fact the dark ages myth has been debunked and that sciences weren't as neglected as people like you like to argue in Middle Ages. Please delete this trash from your PC. If you want defend sciences etc at least respect their principles and be a bit sceptical of what you read....

>Those lesbians are Christians, I swear! You'd never seen any sort of men buggering little boys or anything like that in my church!

>I can't tell the difference between Catholics and Christians, the post.

The Catholic Church is far more cucked than the Protestant one

And it is not limited to Pope Francis, in USA they have been one of the leading supporters of amnesty since the 80s

>the Spanish Inquisition killed millions
>Let's not forget the Black Plague, which is also Christians fault.
>the Muslims who never operated slavery in a large scale like the Atlantic slave trade Christians controlled.

You know, for all the posts claiming that Americans aren't quite as educated as your average foreigner, I see a lot of fucking posts on here that don't support this.
>No it didn't.
>The Black Plague originated in Asia, there was a nomadic tribe (in the Gobi desert, if I recall correctly) that coexisted with the disease for generations by moving on whenever they found dead rats (the fleas on these rats are what spread the disease) lying around. Some of these rats stowed away on Italian trade ships.
>Not for lack of trying.

most of the cucked Christians in the West are protestant idiots who approved gay marriages, female priests etc.
The laicization of white countries always lead to degeneracy because Christianity is the foundation of White Culture. Atheism leads to hole in spiritual life with let communism hundred years ago take minds of Russians, and now helps cultural marxism take the minds of Americans and others. Not to mention that aggresive religion like Islam takes theri territory and even some leftist cucks started to join ISIS.

The only way to defend our culture and race is into uniting with God's will
youtube.com/watch?v=Hakb6S0IpgY

It's not. Modern Christianity is cucked. I'm stuck in limbo because I don't want to be a fedora anymore but every Christian domination is cucked now.

> Self suffering is humble, forgiving YOUR PERSONAL enemies is humble.

This is exactly the shit I am talking about

When you apply those values in a civilizational level it becomes basically a continent-wide Jonestown

> it's about taking love for God and Christ even above your family

Which turns Christianity into a civilizational disolving agent, Christianity becoming fuel for demented, pointless wars like the inter-german religion wars of the 1500s while turks moved deeper and deeper into Europe

To have a religion that asks only forgiveness and love for your enemies, and asks only rejection and war against your family is a recipe for disaster

what? Isn't a theocracy the end goal? Direct rule from God?

Sam Harris is a Jew and doesn't care about goyim being Atheists. He cares about them hating Islam and Christianity and loving Israel.

New Atheists attack Christianity and Islam and don't say much about Judaism because it is just another Jew-run offshoot of Marxism and Politcal Correctness.

Freethinking Atheists already know Islam and Judaism is dog shit practiced by inbred Semites who hate us and has no business in the West. However they also feel like enlightening their fellow Whites about how bad for them Christianity is a worthwhile cause.

We hope they aren't lost forever and we aren't wasting our time.

didn't Jesus say respect Caesars laws and pay your taxes while being a decent Christian I cant remember the right quote if remembers it can they share.

Christianity has always been cucked. It's Jew-worship and cuckery from the ancient world. That it turned against the Jews to some degree later, which happens with every Jewish self-promotion and destruction plot, doesn't change what it it at the core.

Ireland is catholic and has gay marriage. Spain was one of the early adopters

Why do female priests matter when the Pope is calling for civilizational suicide?

> Christianity is the foundation of White Culture

Europe speaks languages derived to some degree of latin and greek, not of aramaic languages, the civil codes come from Roman Law, not from the Jewish Torah

Do you really believe that whites are nothing without a semitic cult controlling their minds? Don't you consider all those thousands of years of slavic ancestors that existed before Christianity colonized, and that you owe existance to, that resisted the teutonic invasions of their lands... as evil monsters and people of sin?

Christianity is truly the great uprooter

Propaganda to make it look like Jesus wasn't an anti-Roman seditionist and that Christians weren't subversives but good Roman citizens.

Because very few atheists today actually want to stand up to dangerous and outdated superstition that threatens Human progress and do something to make the world a rational and better place.
Most are just spineless faggots who want to feel superior to someone and tell people in their forties that they were part of a "movement".

Attacking Islamists who are an actually threat to the world, is too scary and risky for these people, it's much safer and easier to laugh at the redneck bible thumpers who will just sit on their porch and yell about the end times being upon us for the ten thousandth time.
Most of the young trendy "Atheist Activists" don't actually want to make anything better, they just want an easy target to laugh at while they wank each other off to how superior and enlightened they are.

I admire your efforts to redpill them, but they will reject any argument, because they clinge to Christianity as a value, identity and goal giving agent. It is a very intrinsic part of European identity, although we were basically colonized by it ourselves and this Pope told us to fuck off with our "imperialistic" *European roots*.

But then again, this Pope reminds me every day of the roots of socialism, pacifism, atavism and self-destructive universalism.

you didn't understand anything.
A real man in teaching of Christ is humble, he does not plan revenge, because he leaves that for God. BUT he's also a brave man who's virtue is to help the weaker and fight the evil.
>Which turns Christianity into a civilizational disolving agent, Christianity becoming fuel for demented, pointless wars like the inter-german religion wars of the 1500s while turks moved deeper and deeper into Europe
Religion wars are the product of protestants.
You should also consider that if it weren't for Christianity Europe would not defend itself from muslim invasion. The battle of Vienna for example.
>To have a religion that asks only forgiveness and love for your enemies, and asks only rejection and war against your family is a recipe for disaster
What is hard in loving those who love you? That's what it's basically saying, but it's not a requiment it's just like the next spiritual level.
But let's make things clear
SELF-suffering=humbling
Defending the weaker even when you can die=duty of a man
you see it now? Only those fucking protestants who read Gospel with no fucking thinking about it say this bullshit that we need to love Ahmed even when he is killing our family

You only believe in coke don't you?

Because they all hate mommy and daddy for no reason while aiming for some sort of self-righteous sense of enlightenment. I never thought I'd ever agree with Bill Maher on anything.

Armenia, and they still allow other religions without oppression unlike Pisslam.

Literally Christian taqiyya, imitating Jewish taqiyya.

The first Christains to Romans:

>"Christianity is a Religion of Peace and has no designs to bring down Rome. The man we worship was a pacifist".

>fight the evil

What's so hard to understand about "do NOT resist evil" in the bible? What's so hard to understand about WILLINGLY taking the cross although he could have called down the armies of angels?
>inb4 Christ had to do it to fulfill the prophecy

>flag

>Why do many of my fellow fedoras pretend that modern day Christianity is anywhere close to being as bad as modern day Islam?
I don't know, normal Islam is clearly much better than trinitarianism. Worst thing with islam right now is just so many going salafist.

> BUT he's also a brave man who's virtue is to help the weaker and fight the evil.

What do you think Leftists are doing? What do you think Christian Democrats are doing?

They are helping the weak. Muslims are weak. Africans are weak. If white men work together muslims get wrecked.

But then, Christianity makes weakness synomous of virtue and goodness!!! and then declared that the strong, the rich, those that have success in this world... it damns them as "worshippers of the world", and calls them evil!!

So of course leftists and christian democrats are going to help muslims and faggots... they are weak!! which they interpret as good! Jesus never gave another interpretation of "good" but meekness, poverty, and wretchedness!

And the evil... the strong that the Gospel demands his fall... The Strong that shall be defeated to protect the weak... the Strong is the Man that conquered the World, the Man that conquered the Moon and the Animals... the White Man...

Your "duty of man" is to ensure that "the meek will inherit the Earth"

it is to ensure that those that the laws of nature would get rid of survive at your own expense

that is an extremely fucking blasphemous thing to be presenting to the Pope.

>Ireland is catholic and has gay marriage. Spain was one of the early adopters
yeah and all of this countries have been laicised, and turn away from God- that's what I'm saying from the beginning when people are failing into atheism, then comes the degeneracy
>Europe speaks languages derived to some degree of latin and greek, not of aramaic languages, the civil codes come from Roman Law, not from the Jewish Torah
Yes we've got the heritage from Greek, Roman, and Christian culture, what's not here to understand? Do you say that Christianity didn't have impact on Europe's arts, architecture, language, philosophy, laws, and a hundred of other stuff?
>Don't you consider all those thousands of years of slavic ancestors that existed before Christianity colonized, and that you owe existance to, that resisted the teutonic invasions of their lands... as evil monsters and people of sin?
The polish state officially started after Mieszko I babtized the state- earlier all that were just a bunch of tribes, that didn't even wrote anything about their culture. And this turn out pretty well, most people on the planet at least heard something about Poland an their culture, but when you gonna ask them about let's say Sorbs

>Normal Islam
>Moderate Islam

Is a meme. All Islam is goat-fucking Satan-worship, it's just that some Muslimes have the common sense not to let the kuffar see that and most don't.

Because they are still in that teenage angst phase where they rebel against their ebil parends XD who are Christian and made them go to church a couple times, they associate every time their parents ever annoyed with Christianity, OH THE HORROR.

> Do you say that Christianity didn't have impact on Europe's arts, architecture, language, philosophy, laws, and a hundred of other stuff?

It sure did. But very often it was negative and destructive, for art tries to celebrate the world, the same world that Christianity considers damned and evil

The bonfire of the vanities was not a historical accident, but the logical consequence of declaring that the world is evil and worthy of destruction by the Jewish War God

> that's what I'm saying from the beginning when people are failing into atheism, then comes the degeneracy

How do you explain Japan then? Support for gay marriage remains extremely low in an extremely secular country. The same is true for Estonia

> The polish state officially started after Mieszko I babtized the state- earlier all that were just a bunch of tribes, that didn't even wrote anything about their culture. And this turn out pretty well, most people on the planet at least heard something about Poland an their culture, but when you gonna ask them about let's say Sorbs

What about Siemomysł, Lestek, and Siemowit? Are they all deserving of eternal damnation then, for not submitting to the Jewish God of War and Apocalypse?

Not really. Have you never heared of liberation theology and its influence in Latin America. These guys are practically and theoretically Marxists and the Pope proofs it every day a little more. As a bonus he's also a bloody Jesuit.

the church is weak so it attracts the retards as its an easy target..desu i used to do it when i went atheist

but i now realize...christianity is what kept the mudshits at bay..alot of these fedora cucks wont attack islam

i pretend to be religious online now..to inspire others to defend their faith as its the only true weapon against islam

DEUS VULT!

I really don't get how you can believe this. REALLY NOT. The Christfags are the worst shills for the rapefugees, worse than the atheist marxists. A lot worse. Not just this Pope. Merkel, Gauck, Käßmann, Bishop Overbeck, Lehmann, Cardinal Marx, Göring-Eckhart. The list just goes on and on and on and on. IF we have resistance in Germany it is by based East Germans who are pretty much religion less due to living 60 years under a socialist dictatorship. AND the church betrayed them there too. They just follow the power wherever they are.

And the most critiques of Islam are atheist Ex-Muslims like Hamed Abdel-Samad and the Eritrean girl in Sweden. There is also Sabatina James, but she is the ONLY example of a christian opposing the Islamization of Europe and that's just because she is also an Ex-Muslim who knew Islam first hand.

> mfw no bump

Ignorance

See attached. In 1914 Wahabbis were limited to that little bubble around Ryadh. 'Normal' Islam was doing well. A few years later women without veils filled the streets of Tehran in protest when some Ayatollah suggested they should go back to wearing them. Western visitors to Muslim lands were often impressed by the liberal and tolerant views they found there.

But the Saudis have used their control of the Islamic holy land, and those oil deposits, to promote Wahhabism aggressively worldwide, and in less than 100 years we suddenly have this salafist jihadi problem.

Pure coincidence, right? No such thing as moderate islam, right?

You're a tool.

>do NOT resist evil
that's the problem with protestants take one verse from the Bible and consider it without any other ones. No to mention that it's
>But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
YOU is a protip in this.
But as I said one of the Cardinal Virtues is Fortitude (Courage) and I already posted a citation from the Catechism of the Catholic Church
especially you should read
>The virtue of fortitude enables one to conquer fear, even fear of death, and to face trials and persecutions. It disposes one even to renounce and sacrifice his life in defense of a just cause
>sacriice his life in defense of a just cause
nowhere the Bible says that you should not defend yourself from evil
>listening to the leftist bullshit about how christianity is about helping the dindus and bashing the rich
ehh sorry user but you are really ignorant, it's not my fault that this anti christians push their agenda through Gospel
Saint Clement in Quis dives salvetur said that both Poverty and Richness is a gift from the God. Being rich is not bad, it is even pointed out that a man should have it to fulfil God's will.
Read the Parable of the talents or minas where master gives he's servants money. Everyone who maked more from it is rewarded by even more acknoledging their wise investments, only for the one who burried the goods into the ground negative compensation is given.

Yeah right. It's ONLY Wahabism and the evil USA funding them, the rest is peacefull, tolerant and freedom loving and generally just made up of really nice guys.

I really wonder who's the tool here.

It also look quite different if you don't have the Atlantic between you and the Middle East which is imploding in bloodshed in murder.

> Saint Clement in Quis dives salvetur said that both Poverty and Richness is a gift from the God

Why do you think that Saint Clement overrides the words of Jesus?

Never mind the obvious question: why would something that makes it almost impossible for you to receive heaven be a gift, insofar "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God"?

If anything, richness would be interpreted as a curse (an interpretation closer to the Sermon of the Mount as well)

> the Parable of the talents

talk about not reading the whole Gospel.

Parable of the talents has nothing to do with becoming rich, and everything to do with using every single one of your talents into spreading this demented viral cult

Matthew 6:19 would go on and confirm an advice against saving treasures for tomorrow, confirming that Jesus sees wordly riches as evil and rotten

> anti christians push their agenda through Gospel

Jesus surely makes it extremely easy, for even Paul pushed agents that can be considered strictly left-wing (Ananias)

>It sure did. But very often it was negative and destructive, for art tries to celebrate the world, the same world that Christianity considers damned and evil
If it were not for Christianity we would not fight back the muslim invasion, before Christianity slavic/german/scandinavian tribes were killing each other in a primitive way. Along with Christianity came civilization and development.
and I don't know where you have this
>the same world that Christianity considers damned and evil
from, where the Bible says that?
>How do you explain Japan then? Support for gay marriage remains extremely low in an extremely secular country. The same is true for Estonia
Japan is quite other culture, not easy to evaluate them. As for Estonia, to be honest I don't know too much about them.
>What about Siemomysł, Lestek, and Siemowit? Are they all deserving of eternal damnation then, for not submitting to the Jewish God of War and Apocalypse?
Jews in the Bible=Jews today
Read about Pharisees and how Jesus approached them.
Also about judging my dead ancenstors- it's not my duty as they were already judged by my God, I can only pray for their souls with I do.

The rest were, many still are, but as I said, Wahhabism has been spread aggressively for the past 100 years, with western patronage, and so the threat is grave and real.

Yes, it is. But do you honestly believe we would have both peace in the middle east, a progressive muslim population and absolutely no terror without Wahhabism? The whole situation is such a complex clusterfuck that I wouldn't even know where to begin and end without wrting a book about it. But I really don't think so, that we would just be fine without Wahhabis. But if we can agree to oppose them, that's a good thing.

Unfortunately the West is still doing exactly the opposit or at least does not act. Which I really donn't understand, they should have understood their mistake of funding radical Islam against secular governments and panarabists and the Soviets don't even exist anymore.

> If it were not for Christianity we would not fight back the muslim invasion

That is denied for two simple facts:
- Mohammed was inspired by Christianity to create his own cult, which is why Jesus is one of their prophets. Without Christianity, Islam may have never existed to begin with
- Christian Churches are ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING the arabic invasion

The ones opposing the invasion are radical right-wing, some of which identity as christians (in the case of Poland and Hungary) or secular (in the case of Front National and FPO)

> where the Bible says that?

John 15 makes presents quite explicitly Jesus and the World as enemies

Christianity does not make sense otherwise

Why would the Jewish God of Destruction bring about the Apocalypse and create a New Israel if he considered the current world (our world, where we hope that Europe and the Western Civilization will expand and prosper) good and moral?

I really do believe that there was a good chance of the middle east developing over the past 100 years, not into a mythical paradise no, but into a much more tolerant, liberal, and productive area. And the 'western powers' most particularly the UK and the US in succession, actively, consciously thwarted that, for their own purposes. I really do believe that the threat we are facing now is 'blowback' caused by the actions of our own government, and that there is still a real 'moderate muslim' community though they are embattled and endangered and (for good reason) not fond of our governments nor trusting of them. So it's a clusterfuck, and it's one that in some sense our civilization has coming to it. I really think we're going to have to come to grips with that fact before we can, forget improving the situation, just to stop aggravating it would be an improvement but impossible as long as we keep believing the propaganda our own government feeds us where they can do no wrong and foreigners are literally the devil.