For starters, look...

For starters, look, im not here to discuss social stigma about racism or whatever you folks like to talk about these days.

I aint american either, which might be in part due to the fact i find it a bit strange to talk about this. Still, lets move onward.

Right, so, even after the days of african americans being all funky ass motherfuckers doing that jazz and blues before white people thought it was cool, before the abolishment of the John Crow laws, it was some serious 'optimist' jam they had.

When they were abolished, some 20 years later, the whole hiphop scene came into the big picture. Sure thing, things such as the 'big' names such as 2Pac and Biggy came, but we had some before. But generally, that level of hiphop was pretty optimistic. Think about A Tribe Called Quest, Jurassic 5, Big Daddy Kane, hell, you call it, it was full of it.

The overall optimist message was very prevalent, even with the naysayers, but even then, the big shots in 'gangsta' hiphop those days were pretty.... Kinda chill, and were very 'human'. Mostly relying on their emotional train of thought to give the negative an influence, not one of pessimism, but one of asking for change.

It could be me. It could be that i've been scratching the surface of the wrong places and living under a rock, but goddamn, isn't hiphop fucking depressing these days? It's either the tough ass folks trying to act tough, as if they were of steel and iron, no humanity. The others (pic related) are depressed, while carrying the 'human' part and talent, all carry the ideal of self-destruction.

Sup Forums, i'm asking you, is it just me, or do you disagree? Is black hip-hop really that awful these days, not just in the music, but also the sense of the word?

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No

they're all raised by single moms nowadays so they've gotten all depressed and bitter and resentful

Hell FUCKING no.

Maybe i said my last sentence a bit wrong. All i'm saying it's that it's depressing as hell. Awful rather meaning the background it came out of, none of the racial bigotry in it. Rather the fact it just sounds so damn depressing.

Fuck, i know im drunk right now and thus have some serious issues in vocabulary, but at least try to make my point here. No fucking political ideologies here. If it were, i wouldn't have posted on Sup Forums.

hip hop is in a renaissance period right now, and that means shit is changing about the genre

whether you like it or not is a different argument altogether but there are definitely heaps of hip hop artists who dont fit into either of the boxes youre lumping them all into

shit man I literally just posted but I may have misinterpreted you

for what its worth, im drunk too, and I can see what youre saying actually

Rap is definitely going through an emo phase right now but there are a few upbeat guys out there. Examples would be trap hedonists like Yachty/Dex, ironic funny rappers like Kyle/Lil Dicky and old school party gangster rappers like YG.

I mostly agree, except not about the gangsta types being "chill", especially before the mid 90s. Your NWAs, Dr Dres, etc were fucking nasty as shit and just used the concept of social change as a cop-out to avoid taking actual responsibility for their actions. Their modern equivalents still talk the same shit but don't just blame it on the cops.

Hell, even Tupac, Biggie and the like later now that I think about it. Pac did have somewhat of a brain though so I'll give him that