We know that Islam and Muslims have been villified both here and throughout all or most of the right-wing sphere. When I heard Richard Spencer speaking in a podcast, he dismissed Islam as the only religion incompatible with white men - something like "you can imagine a pagan or Buddhist white nation but not an Islamic one."
I'm certain most of the so-called Alt Right audience truly believes this to be the case, but as a centrist I remain skeptical. We know, for example, that there are white men who converted to Islam, but what about a nation of such men? What is, fundamentally, the cause of the incompatibility?
Most of what I read pointed to this idea: that Islam is "not just a religion, but a cultural and racial identity." Is this convincing enough? Do Christians, Jews, and Buddhists not have associated culture and racial majorities? Is it truly impossible for Islam to be "Europeanized" and severed from its intricate ties with Arab culture?
I looked for support and surprisingly there are white nationalist thinkers that write favorably about Islamic sensibility. Islam, one argues, is the religion of traditionalists. In its current form, it revolts against many of the same aspects of Western culture that the right would like changed. Many of you reading this live in nations where gay marriage and abortion are legal. Where women and minorities have undue influence on society. Where people are only nominally Christian, or wholly atheist as in our universities, and even encourage more separation of religion from the state.
Hitler, I read, wished that Arabs had succeeded in their conquest of Europe because he believed that it would be Islamized Germans that would come to rule Europe. Christianity to him and others who thought like him, was the engine that led them to their cultural and national disintegration.
What do you all think? If Islam was brought to Europe by white men, what reason would there be to not embrace it?
They chose to be honorary sandniggers instead of Europeans and need to be treated as such - expelled from the white man's land and killed if they resist too much.
Joshua Reyes
islam is embraced by niggers and is the dumbest of all religions
Eli Nelson
I'd rather it not be, please.
Why do you believe that?
What? I think you misunderstood what I meant by European Islam.
Ian Morris
Have you ever been worried about someone looking at your computer while you're taking a dump or something and wondering why you have dozens of pictures like this saved?
James Gomez
> If Islam was brought to Europe by white men, what reason would there be to not embrace it?
Because it's a simple filthy sand-nigger religion. We'd be better off with paganism.
Ayden Clark
Please stop posting this material. It's not welcome or related.
Aaron Lee
As someone born and raised in the US in a Muslim family, let me say you have no idea what you're talking about. Islam is barbaric and regressive. No sane Christians advocate returning to the practices of Abrahamic Judaism to be closer to Jesus, yet thanks to Saudi Arabia there isn't a single self-proclaimed Muslim who doesn't support setting civilization back 1000 years.
They preach that we should return to the Dark Ages. This is why Islam is incompatible with the West. It rejects progress of any kind. No matter how traditional/conservative you are as a Christian, you don't want to live as an illiterate sandnigger but Muslims do, at least that is what they advocate for.
Elijah Bell
>European Muslims >Albanians >Bosniaks >European >implying Brate pls Also Hitler mostly liked it because Ottomans were WW1 allies and before decolonization sand niggers weren't snackbaring like now.
Jeremiah Smith
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Evan Long
Islam guarantees inferiority. There are no Islamic countries that can do anything right and the closest are those that have secularism.
Owen Long
Gore is
Joshua Jones
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Samuel Jackson
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Easton Phillips
Are you speaking from a place of emotion or logical dislike for the religion? I'm curious why you think it's any better or worse than Christianity based on the texts alone, cultural identity aside.
Aiden Gutierrez
>What? I think you misunderstood what I meant by European Islam.
Because European Islam is an oxymoron. As you said, "Most of what I read pointed to this idea: that Islam is "not just a religion, but a cultural and racial identity."" - it is a cultural and racial identity. It's an identity of Arab culture and Arab race, not of white culture and white race.
We're not Arabs - we're obviously better than them. And whites debasing themselves by choosing that cultural and racial Identity via conversion to Islam stop being white, and if they're not white they're not European and since Europe is the homeland of whites, they have to go - either voluntarily (as they should, because why wouldn't they live in their prophets homeland?) or by force, under the threat of death if necessary.
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Christopher Mitchell
>I'm curious why you think it's any better or worse than Christianity based on the texts alone
Polygamy, you stupid fuck.
Landon Murphy
Shillslam
It's too anti-science. The only thing islamic nations do is make the world worse for everybody.
Austin Mitchell
Please stop reminding them about islam. Let the word 'islam' just slowly disappear from western society. If you're a muslim, please hide your identity. Nothing makes me anxious more than being asked about my religion. I don't want people to change just because i tell them my religion. I'm a muslim and i hide. You should too. There's no reason to be a muslim and confident about it. I'm not confident about being muslim. Please stop making islam thread. Please.
Thomas Allen
fuck off you stupid fucking mod
thanks for fucking up another thread you fucking piece of shit
i hope you choke to death on your hotpocket
Elijah Williams
He's okay, 5.56 doesn't kill
Oliver Hughes
What a fucking Munafiq. I make sure every white person I meet learns how to say Khaled properly
Jaxson Brown
It has nothing to do with text and everything to do with the current expectations within the faith you dumb cunt. Islam calls for civilization to turn its back on all the advances it has made since the Prophet's time. This is a relatively recent phenomenon but it is now universal and has tainted the faith to its core.
It is diametrically opposed to modernity.
Christopher Jones
TIME FOR DEAD PALISTINIANS!
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Alexander Campbell
Holy shit.
Israel really toasted this one.
Caleb Peterson
There's nothing intellectual in Islam? Do you know why your golden age ended?
Because your theology advanced. Your idiotic and barbarous religion is incompatible with a materialistic understanding of the natural world - your people don't contribute to science because they literally believe Allah is the prime mover of all things.
In the mind of a devout Muslim, if he were to separate my head from my offensive body - I do not die due massive bleeding. I do not die because my brain cannot get oxygen. I die because Allah willed it. The subtle differences in theology between Islam and every other religion become obvious when you view the followers, in aggregate.
Make no mistake, your religion is the worst of all - its obvious, and you know its true. The only reason Islam still exists is that it demands its followers to breed rapaciously, expand outwards, and conquer the lands of unbelievers. It is a virus of the human mind. You do not contribute art, beauty, science, or anything to the world - you don't conquer by winning arguments or converting the thoughtful. You're a negative religion.
Christianity, Judaism, Sikhs, Buddhists - we all do positive work on Earth. Muslims, however... we'd be better off without you.
The time will come, soon, for you all to convert or die, because you will no longer have a place in modern society. We do not need you and our patience and charity will wear thin.
Kayden Ramirez
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Jordan Foster
I'm not sure why you say that as I did not judge Islam in my post regarding the fundamentalism of Saudi Arabia. Even in its regressive mentality, there is something salvageable: a sort of glorification of the pastoral and ancestral ways before modernization destroyed them and their associated structures in society. Am I advocating going back to times before toilets? Not really, but there is, I think, an undeniably leftist tilt to technological progress that should or could be better controlled.
Levi Reyes
Just so you know they secretly kind of want to get away from you. Change your name to something western. Don't wear islamic dresses. Pray secretly. Try not saying masha Allah or Subhanallah everytime you're impressed or shocked.
Jace Rodriguez
Islam is a relgion of pussies they bitch and cry about drawings and kill everyone.
The freedoms that we enjoy that our ancestors had died for will be gone in an islamic state
Jason Martinez
Don't worry, islam will never be powerful in western states. They'll keep their religion to themselves.
Nicholas Miller
That picture is not from fucking Afghanistan 1967.
Afghanistan has always been a shit hole. Even in Roman times.
Chase Lee
Thanks for the calm response.
I understand the connection to Arab culture and race. The other poster is Muslim and states that he and others like him reject the Arab influence over Islam - but I'm sure few would go so far as to entirely reject Islam. He has not himself based on his response.
Why do you believe Islam's relationship to Saudi Arabia cannot be overcome? Isn't there something to be gained by a European interpretation of Islam that may supplant the "meekness and flabbiness" of Christianity, as Hitler speculated?
Bentley Anderson
Based Canadian
Evan Peterson
Go away sand nigger
Nolan Taylor
It doesn't matter what you think or what you're advocating. I'm stating the hegemony has decided is Islam. You can have your pluralist, pansexual anarcho-capitalist interpretation, it will be drowned out by 1000 Wahhabi Imams who are training ISIS cells because your dumb ass accepted them as pious sheperds.
Elijah Cook
They made a good go of it in Southern Europe until the reconquista.
Isaiah Jackson
Is that really it or is this a joke?
>Shill I'm sharing my musing with others, that's all. Someone might share something interesting regarding this topic.
>diametrically opposed to modernity Sounds like something an SJW would say. Not trying to insult you, but think about the implication of that statement.
Jonathan Jenkins
Why do you want Islam to have any part in Western countries? Its the worlds most shitty Agenda, its a backwards ideology. Things might be shitty today but that doesnt mean it cant get a whole lot shittier and it has been in most times throughout history.
Dominic Gray
Well it's because they let them. If you don't let them, they won't be strong at all, not even close.
Brayden James
Of course the vast majority of the country is a rural backwoods, but before Saudi Oil Money & Communism every urban setting in every nation has been exposed to and embraced Western culture.
Nicholas Turner
This. I can't wait for the world to wake up, join forces, and eradicate all of the Muzz rats once and for all. Literally Earth's cancer.
Chase Reed
Because he is a fucking Muslim shill. There are tons of them on this board.
William Gray
I'm not talking about new age garbage about Cultural Marxism. I'm talking about the Amish and Orthodox Jewish communities that are filled with incest, child molestation, drug abuse, and live by crazy archaic customs. That is what Islam today is violently, actively pushing for. That is what every person who has escaped ISIS controlled territories has described.
Aiden Hill
>Is that really it or is this a joke?
Is that not enough of a reason? I mean, you can take offense on the child fucking and constant war too if you want, but those are just consequences of a society that has an unfair distribution of women, making a huge chunk of males redundant.
Redundant males don't participate in building or upholding society. Why did you think every muslim country is either at war or horribly inbred?
Samuel Flores
>incest >child molestation This bugs me a lot. In my very islam environment, those two recognised as very sinful. Redpill me on how you think that way pls.
Thomas White
So are you a cuck or just a shill?
Zachary Wood
>your Oh boy, I'm sure to read something level headed.
>no contributions to science >golden age The first is factually incorrect. The second is the kind of balance I'm talking about. It shows us that Islam and a "modern" society are indeed possible which refutes your later point.
Of course, there are going to be disagreements with how ISIS believes Islam should be practiced, and what Saudis believe, and what my hypothetical Westerners believe. The point is more to illustrate the idea that a) Islam is not as incompatible with Europe as people think b) Most of the reason for that belief is due to Arab influence on the religion c) The narrative on Islam may be manufactured to generate more opposition than is realistically warranted
Cameron Carter
It is you stupid amerilard.
Levi Thomas
>lives in Singaporean dictatorship >thinks he can extrapolate his experience under said dictatorship on the entirety of Islam
Your country is the only successful muslim country because they beat you half to death for chewing gum. Sadly, that's not the case in most other muslim countries and it's unlikely that it can be implemented.
Jackson Jenkins
MUSLIMS ARE THE MOST INBRED GROUP OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD _ BY FAR
A rough estimate shows that close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred: In Pakistan, 70 percent of all marriages are between first cousins (so-called "consanguinity") and in Turkey the amount is between 25-30 percent.[11]
Statistical research on Arabic countries shows that up to 34 percent of all marriages in Algiers are consanguine (blood related), 46 percent in Bahrain, 33 percent in Egypt, 80 percent in Nubia (southern area in Egypt), 60 percent in Iraq, 64 percent in Jordan, 64 percent in Kuwait, 42 percent in Lebanon, 48 percent in Libya, 47 percent in Mauritania, 54 percent in Qatar, 67 percent in Saudi Arabia, 63 percent in Sudan, 40 percent in Syria, 39 percent in Tunisia, 54 percent in the United Arabic Emirates and 45 percent in Yemen.[12][13]
Jackson Reed
Stop trying, my friend, stop bumping this thread up. Let's just be quiet about being muslim. Let's just observe. These people won't listen to you once you identify yourself as a muslim. They won't take you seriously. We need to make people forget about islam.
Adrian Evans
INBREEDING IS EXPLICITLY ENCOURAGED IN THE QURAN
Due to the actions of Prophet Muhammad and the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, marriage between cousins is explicitly allowed and even encouraged in Islam. The Qur'an itself does not discourage or forbid this practice in any way. In fact it implicitly allows it, as seen in chapter 4 verse 23:
Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-
Robert Miller
They made some algebra like 1,000 years ago. They haven't contributed anything since then. The only scientific advances coming from the Middle East are from Israel. No, Islam is not compatible with free societies. It's less a religion and more a totalitarian political ideology designed at it's core for conquest and control. Fuck Muslims and fuck you.
Angel Stewart
>If Islam was brought to Europe by white men, what reason would there be to not embrace it?
Because I'm fucking human, not animal following one of the most primitive doctrines of current time. Islam has NO place in Europe except on our shitlist, period, if you don't like it then move out.
Bentley Cruz
You are such an islamocuck...
Josiah Green
>singapore >muslim country Oh and btw i vpn'd, so not singaporean and you'll never know what my country is.
Kayden Richardson
This also explains their low IQs and aggressive behavior.
Jaxon Cox
>These people won't listen to you once you identify yourself as a muslim. They won't take you seriously. Guess why mr. Allahu Akbar
Brandon Russell
Good thing that most muslims are shitskins, and that's something that'll never be forgotten and can't be overlooked.
Josiah Brooks
>I'm curious why you think it's any better or worse than Christianity based on the texts alon
Even the Islamic texts are a disgusting read - mentioning raping captured women in front of their husbands, beheading your enemies, cutting off their fingers and hands. In comparison, we have Christianity: Christ healing the servant of the soldier who came to capture him and lead him to his death, when his apostle cuts his ear in anger. Not killing him, destroying his property, and raping his captured wife, but restoring his servant.
The difference in tone and message is like day and night, and Islam's message and tone is abhorrent. Is anyone really surprised at the existence of the Islamic State? The only surprise is that they ignore the parts of the Quran and its related texts which are intended to restrict such abhorrent violence only to people not "of the book", e.g. Hindus. In other words, the only real surprise is that instead of being inhuman to only certain groups of people, they're inhuman to every group that isn't their own cult. That's shocking.
>inb4 "but muh Old Testament"
Find examples to even show that those primitive, warlike rules were being followed even in the time of Jesus, let alone today. The rules of war in Ancient Israel are not the rules of God - that was made obvious by Christ. Quite besides this, they are clearly not followed to the letter today, whereas Islam is still an incredibly primitive religion.
Noah Rodriguez
Good thing i'm not a shitskin.
Cooper Adams
>European Islam awww hell no nigger. European Islam is as real as American Anorexia
In cultures that are repressive of self expression and prioritize secrecy over individualism, there is this weird phenomenon that it is preferred that the breaking of taboos be ignored and hidden than acknowledged and addressed. The violation reflects on the community as a whole, not just the individual perpetrator. Usually the perpetrator is from a place of authority which allowed them to break the taboo in the first place, so they are never called out.
Jace Hill
HAHA THIS FUCKING DUMB MUSLIM CAN'T EVEN READ
YOUR GOLDEN AGE ENDED BECAUSE YOU FIGURED OUT YOUR BOOK
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
YOUR 13TH CENTURY THEOLOGIAN, AL GHAZALI, FIGURED OUT THAT MATHEMATICS AND ARISTOTELIANISM WERE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE QURAN
YOU'VE BEEN FUCKED EVER SINCE, MORON
Liam Robinson
There'll always be some rats in the hiding but once that "pbuh" and "inshallah" and "allah akbar" drops, we'll know. And it inevitably does.
Brandon Perez
Catholicism gave us brilliant things like the Summa Theologica.
Crude Islamic 'philosophy' on how often you should rape a wife before conception is not in the same league.
White islamists are pseudointellectual contrarian faggots. Blow yourself up, bitch.
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Sebastian Jones
>When I heard Richard Spencer speaking in a podcast, he dismissed Islam as the only religion incompatible with white men - something like "you can imagine a pagan or Buddhist white nation but not an Islamic one."
But you can't imagine a Buddhist white nation. Buddhism has its roots in the Indus River civilization. It could never be the overriding narrative of a European civilization, because it's simply not from there.
Europe should be pagan, and pagan alone. Christianity has never really been at home in Europe, and has always remained more an ideology of the ruling elites. This is why presenting Christian works of art and literature gives you a very biased view of Europe, because only the elites of Europe had proper access to the means of producing and reading/interpreting works of art and literature. Christianity back then was really what free market globalism is today, the ideology of the elites that the masses only nominally believe in. Paganism doesn't have this problem, because paganism emerged from Europe bottom-up. It was developed over millenia, by Europeans themselves, to come to terms with the specific experiences they had. That's why Roman-Greco and Germanic paganism are still known to this day, because they are religious movements that were developed organically. They weren't imposed onto the masses top-down, which Christianity was, which is one of the main reasons why it's currently dying out. It simply doesn't belong in Europe and can only be sustained within Europe artificially, by brainwashing kids and by penalizing anyone who doesn't subscribe to it
Aiden Ross
I'm someone that can entertain an idea without necessarily believing in it. Please get an education for the sake of tge race's future that you care so much about if not for yourself.
I don't want anything. My question toward you is why you don't want it. I'm trying to gauge whether you have a reasoned response for it or if it's an emotional reaction to outsiders. If you will notice, I specifically mention that Western interpretation of the Quran - that is to say one retranslated away from Arabia - is not only possible but may be a better fit for the traditionalists of the West. It's core values are, according to Hitler and some other right wing thinkers, more masculine and compatible with European right wing philosophy than Christianity.
Even in ISIS, despite its barbarism and malignance, there is something to be learned about violent reaction toward what one perceives as cultural decline. Most of those men in ISIS will suicide bomb themselves readily for their god, a trait not shared by today's nominal white Christians and modern man passivity toward the powers that will eventually destroy him.
As I said, I'm just trying to learn, ultimately. It's a provacative thought, that's all.
Jeremiah Diaz
I'll try my best to not say it. I don't want to lose all the good life, the good friends, the good bandmates, and all that stuffs. Assuming that when i move to the US i'll have friends and band for the first time in my life.
Oliver Myers
PS THAT'S NOT WHAT REFUTE MEANS, FLUNKY - STOP ROLE PLAYING AS A CLEVER TERRORIST YOU INSINCERE, FAITHLESS FAGGOT
GO TO A RENAISSANCE FAIRE IF YOU WANT TO LARP YOU GODDAMN FANTASIST
Parker Miller
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Jaxson Long
From what I've read it wasn't so much that they "let them", so much as the local Muzzie commanders decided to take advantage of a period of political division in what is now Spain.
Arguably the same thing is happening now with the cultural civil war happening in the west.
So the takeaway is then: as long as European countries never show any vulnerability toward Muslims, we'll be safe, is that right?
If only all muslims kept their faith a personal thing, as you claim to.
Joseph Stewart
I'm sure many do. I do. The OP does.
Adrian Adams
Pictured, the losers who pretend to seriously believe that Muhammed is divine and Allah is real and that there's truth in the Quran that must be the work of the creator of the universe
Not working OP. Your religion is dumb and uninspiring. Only losers convert to the weakest religion
Christopher Scott
European Islam would only work if Hitler had won
Jose Morgan
>seriously believe that Muhammed is divine
That's the weirdest part of Islam hands down
Joseph Williams
islam and paganism were both the same fucking thing back thing ruthless violent crazy people, that have nothing they kill their own people. You may be nice but on the inside your a devil worshipper, but i have not right too judge you, your a peron thin and through but remember lying about violent acts is not a good thing. Kill someone you may end up in hell or heaven, its all apart jesuses judgement.
Connor Bailey
Weak white boys in this thread who are playing dressup with Islam.
You faggots are definitely mocked behind your backs by your 'fellow muslims'. Why not just put on a fedora, dork?
Liam Cruz
Good on you both then. However it is clear from experience that Muslims en masse are not a safe or reliable neighbour. That's a shame for both of us.
Blake Rodriguez
Hello, thanks for the response.
A fair enough assessment at face value. I admit I have not read either the Bible or the Quran in their entirety, but I will soon.
I have to ask, though, whether you believe in the restoration of the servant on some higher principle than religion, or whether you believe that to be right and good because that is the Christian way?
In the Crusades, Christian knights would pillage and rape in that method you described as being Islamically canon behavior for the enemy. And truly, why should they have not done so? In war, which you say yourself is the Quran's brutality most evident, it is one's goal to reduce the capacity of the enemy to fight, often accomplished by the kind of psychological and physical atrocities you find in Islam.
Some estimates say that 2 million German women were mass raped by the Soviets. These men were not Islamic, but acted in what you probably would call "typical Islamist fashion" had they been Islamic. When the reality of the horrors of war are realized, the guidance or approval of any kind of religious doctrine is totally lost. I see in your excerpt a realistic description of war and not any kind of implicit or explicit approval of the behavior but I would have to read it in context to be sure.
Christopher Gonzalez
Why don't you just drop Islam? You're more likely to be killed by someone that doesn't want fucking moslems in their country than by a moslem for apostasy the way things are going.
Documentary: Sword and the Crescent (Full) youtube.com/watch?v=qk_VwZxN9bA >Along with detailing new groundbreaking research on the uninspired origins of Koran stories and the corruption of early Koran manuscripts, this film also covers: offensive warfare, Muhammad's immorality and ruthlessness, errors of the Koran, Muhammad and the Bible, absurd Islamic teachings, and Muhammad's demon possession.
It's always the disturbed losers who do this, honestly - Chad doesn't convert to Islam. Autistic failures, on the other hand... do you own a kataka? Pardon me, scimitar? LOL.
You give yourselves away. Real Muslims don't try to manufacture an intellectual framework for Islam, mostly because the Quran is not a philosophical book - and they have ACTUAL LITERAL FAITH (because they're inbred - consanguinity is the norm in Islam)
You two are just faithless roleplayers. You like the image of being spiritual, independent, or contrarian - you don't actually give a shit about Islam. You're obviously just shallow faggots with an insincere belief system. Find a new hobby that you have an honest interest in
This thread is hilarious btw. You've made Islam look even more pathetic by failing to meme or even argue minor points. The christian posters have namedropped more Muslims than you, lol.
Do you actually grow shitty looking beards?
Chase Fisher
Shouldn't they be preserving the decency of that poor child, rather than waving it around?
Bentley Collins
Typical Muslim, everything is just Israel/the Zionists. Look in the mirror pig fucker, not everything is a Zionist conspiracy to make you look bad. You're shit and your religion is shit.
Hudson King
Islam is just a more regressive form of Christianity. Why not just convert to some Christian denomination and take it seriously?
Islam is like a more aggressive version of Judaism.
Aaron Garcia
wot
Owen Morris
Interesting thought. Thanks.
Are you sure the common white European would be more comfortable with the paganism of the old world than the Christianity of more recent memory? How would you reintroduce paganism to Europe?
Liam Gutierrez
Seriously lol, you guys are dumb as rocks.
Christians or soviets doing bad things doesn't change the fact that Allah is 100% not actually real.
Your dumb, teenaged moral equivalency argument will not work on anyone over 17
Lucas Richardson
I can't, i believe in islam and it makes sense to me. But don't worry, i'll hide it. My religious identity doesn't look good when paired with the kind of life i want to live after watching american films
Brody Butler
This entire post sounds like a chubby white 15 year old wrote it while vaping and furiously chinstroking.
I don't think it's just the Bible and Quran you haven't read, dumbass - be honest, you don't read at all
