How do you deny these studies?

How do you deny these studies?

nelp.org/publication/raise-wages-kill-jobs-no-correlation-minimum-wage-increases-employment-levels/

cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage-2013-02.pdf

There are just as many studies which suggest the opposite, and an equal amount which sway just a few percent either way for various reasons.

We are entering an era where demeaning jobs like burger flipping are no longer dependent on humans, when companies hear they are going to have to pay 1,000,000 fast food workers 15-40% more they are just going to suck up the cost and accelerate the process of using machines to do the work.

>National Employment Law Project

>Anationaladvocacy organization foremploymentrights of lower-wage workers.

No bias here, I'm sure.

Regardless of whether or not it kills jobs it does lead to an increase in salaries across the board which leads to inflation

All of sudden you have to give raises to the skilled workers making $15/hr because they won't work for the same wages as burger-flipping Bomqueesha

And so on up the ladder it goes

You hire 4 people
Suddenly you have to pay them all more

Option 1 - Just pay them more and cut into your own profits, maybe even make a loss
Either way your business may stagnate and never grow

Option 2 - Fire 1 and tell other 3 to work harder to cover for lost employee, with threats of replacing them if they dont

the same studies that said kasich was the only person mathematically viable to beat clinton? kek

I know not to trust (((studies))) anymore, they lead to the degradation of the minds of society and plant these silly ideas that minimum wage helps the workers.

I want to help the workers - thus I do not advocate for a minimum wage - and anybody who does, is very destructive.

Local economies are different. Let the people decide for themselves.

>raising minimum wage doesn't kill jobs

Cost more to hire, which comes out of the Utility budget, so the place can't afford repairs, and mom and pop shops shut down because they have to pay their spoiled little shit 15 dollars an hour for texting on his phone. Fuck you. You aren't worth 15 dollars an hour and you goddamn know it.

An interesting study on this is looking at Africa

For instance in African mining operations, human labor is used almost exclusively whereas mining done in the West is done almost exclusively by machines

Why is this?
Well the answer is quite simple, it is cheaper to employ African laborers than it is to purchase and maintain machinery

>option 3

Im all for workers earning a liveable wage, opie. But why not just kick out all the mexishits and stop 3rd world immigration? The supply and demand system would bring your wages up in no time under such conditions.

>15 dollars an hour
The bottom line is going to be improved, even if that means firing employees.
If a robot costs 10 grand and does the work of 2 minimum wage people, it's going to pay back the difference in 41 days.

Have you ever actually seen these pieces of shit in action? Its isnt even close to profitable to have these cunts.

If you can have 12 robots replacing 12 workers, you're going to save money over the long term. After a while you're going to gain money.

I think having 10 of these, and 3 employees to help out with the obvious trouble the customers are going to run into, will save the company more money than just hiring 10 employees. I could be wrong though.

Fact: Stating an opinion by starting it with the phrase "Fact:" does not make it a fact.

I'm starting to see them in most big markets, probably as an experiment to see how accepted they are.

I don't really like them but I've read that Wendy's want to fully automate their restaurants this way.

We pay checkout chicks $22 an hour and supermarkets still lose money on the machines

I use self checkout all the time unless I have a cart full of groceries and there's always some clueless idiots who can't figure out how to use it so the attendant is scrambling around and then there's always the old guy just trying to buy a case of beer but they get the "please show ID to attendant" message and have to sit there waiting while the attendant helps the clueless morons pay for their produce

Yes, because of unions.
The machines destroy the union's control over wages and other shit.

It's hard to downsize when people go "OY VEY YOU CAN'T FIRE THIS PERSON HE'S S P E C I A L".

I'm not even going to take the time to read those "studies" because i'm sure they don't account for automation

Fine, raise it a dollar.

The notion that raising it to $15/hr everywhere won't have severely negative consequences on businesses in many parts of the USA is utter shit dreamed up by faggot leftists who make 6-figure+ salaries and live in shitty expensive cities like LA, NYC, DC, SF and so on. They don't really care if they crush small businesses in the "flyover states" because they're myopic sociopaths who consider themselves above all others.

Fuck that nonsense, the elites are so out of touch with the reality the rest of us live in, they don't have a fucking clue as to the consequences of their shitty "benevolent" policies would have on middle America. Traitorous fucks, all of 'em.

But I assume you still shop at those places with self-checkout? A companies bottom line is its only concern.

>study finds no correlation
>to the contrary, ...
lol

you don't know what a fact is cunt

Its has nothing to do with unions you autist. Supermarket unions are ran by the supermarket anyway. The fact is, volume wise, it is much cheaper to pay a uni girl $22 an hour than run the machines. The only time the machines compete is when the checkouts are slow and the works have nothing to do.

>you autist
And you've just ruined your entire argument.

>The fact is, volume wise, it is much cheaper to pay a uni girl $22 an hour than run the machines.
You are seriously overestimating how much self checkout machines cost.

You can buy them for a couple of grand, and they don't need to be serviced. Only rebooted.

>The fact is, volume wise, it is much cheaper to pay a uni girl $22 an hour than run the machines.

citation needed

I do

I shop at Harris Teeter cause it's a lot nicer than Food Lion which also has self checkouts

I would shop exclusively at Fresh Market (which doesn't have self checkouts) if it weren't so expensive

I used to manages the fuckers, m8. I know how much they cost to run.
Personal experience
Sorry m8. But I'm yet to receive my half a million $ grant to evaluate their usefulness. Send me the money and I'll write something up for you.

They might have to keep their products expensive because they don't have self checkouts I wonder

>Personal experience
>my experience with a few people can be generalized into 300 million
dropped

Any infogrraphic that starts with
>fact
>followed by random baseless statement
Can be disregarded as fake and gay.
Sage goes in all fields and OP is a faggot.

>used to manage them
That's a unique term for a supermarket manager.

I built and designed them.

Not true. Danish burger flippers earn 3 times as much as American ones and guess who gets automated first? 'Murica.

don't you guys have like only 8 million people? and 7 million of those are hard working white citizens?

Yes I was a second in charge of a woolies supermarket and im sure as the person who builds and repairs them, you have absolutely zero bias in your argument.

>faggot leftists who make 6-figure+ salaries
>implying they make that much
>implying minimum wage isn't a scheme to whine their way into a middle class living because they have no useful skills

Actually, only 5 million people. No wonder your country is prosperous! I'm very glad it works there but sadly it cannot be implemented in America.

Nah it's a really high end place

All of their stuff is of the highest quality

Isnt this why you have states?

>builds
>repairs
Second in charge of woolies vs someone who spent 4 years in university and has been in the industry for 12 years.

Hmm.

Correct. But implementing a federal $15 minimum wage is unacceptable. If a STATE however, wants to JUST its economy, then that is their problem.

It's easily comprehensible that greedy business owners who don't give a shit about their employees want to keep minimum wages as low as possible, and would be even happier when they get abolished completely. Those are the same people who lay off native workers to replace them with hordes of immigrants who are willing to work more for less money because they can still have a great standard of living compared to the shithole countries they come from. And bully the government into getting all sorts of subsidies or else they threaten to relocate their business abroad.

I just wonder why so many people here, where almost none of you actually runs a business and never will, drank their kool aid and are shilling their "workers need to stay poor or the economy will collapse" bullshit. Worried about cheaper foreign goods you can't compete with? Increase import taxes. Worried about immigrants who are willing to do the same job for minimum wages? Well that's one of the best arguments for why minimum wages should be increased A LOT. Who's going to hire a beaner who doesn't even speak English for $15/h?

the state autonomy has been breaking down since the civil rights era

to much power that the government never gave back

republics have a shelf life and all the signs of the end of the USA as one are showing

Won't raising the minimum wage just further the divide between the middle and the lower class? When an employer HAS to pay 15$ per hour to an employee, won't he choose an actual skilled worker that has flipped burgers before, instead of no-skill shaniqua or a teen that hasn't worked a day in his life? Not only that, but won't it also stimulate the desire to employ illegals as they will take the job for much less money? And eventually won't it lead to printmoremoneylol inflation which will fuck up the people even further?

Cool, I've been at uni for 6 years now, four. In my undergrad and 2 deep in my doctorate. The fact is that im arguing form the position of someone who was looking at the books and you are somes whos livelihood relies on the machines being purchased and maintained. If you cant see how you have a conflict of interest in this discussion, I dont know what to tell you.

*since the beginning of the Civil War

actually the only thing that raising the minimum wage every really did was reduce the existence of low paying jobs, it never really raised their pay

>JUST its economy
Your economy is already fucked with low min wage m8, while most stronger economies pay a decent wage.

yeah I guess that was the real beginning

seriously the north should have just let the wool mill out compete those slaves

thats because Sup Forums is not even right-wing its just contrarian. The left just happens to be political mainstream right now. The same can be applied to specific topics like the minimum wage. Furthermore, its considered "leftist" to support workers right. The hate has gone so far, the people here would rather support greedy busninessmensteins than workers because SJW just happen to support the latter

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I think those economies having a decent wage because they only have 5 million people in their country.

I never said it didn't work at a low scale.

what would happen if minimum wage increased across the world so that it was on parity with each other? (after taking into account relative value of currency)

how much would things cost in the west if india and china doubled their minimum wage

Have you ever considered that raising the minimum wage is supporting those jewish business men? And you're playing right into their hands?

Lincoln was gonna send the nogs back to Apefrica but Boothe offed him before he could implement his plan

So again, why would a state be JUSTing its economy by increasing min wage if the state has a pop lower than 5 million?

Yeah, that's what I meant. You are cornering the business owner to employ people who have worked before instead of taking in non-skilled laborers (which, surprise, surprise, are the majority of lower class people). Instead of allowing the only weapon the non-skilled laborers have, which is to do the same work for less cash, you are saying businesses must pay the same for all, which in turn leads them to employ only the skilled people on the market.

state can do whatever it wants with its minimum wage. I'm arguing against these dumbasses who want it federally instated against many peoples wishes.

I goddamn wish

You said that a state would ruin it economy buy raising min wage.

And somehow all the libertarians on here are going to demand we all find something to do when robots do all the work and everythings powered by solar- nothing is free! Everyone can still service each other sexually, so we should all constantly do that, so that some of us can be richer for a reason

"here's $1,000,000, say good things about my political agenda"

well, the states that I'm talking about are the multicultural hellholes. A place like vermont, however, small and white, readily accept bernie, the socialist, as their senator.

Increasing federal minimum wage would fuck over the multicultural states. Increasing state minimum wage would fuck over the multicultural states. Increasing state minimum wage would be a slight benefit in areas with a high white population.

It would, but if only on a state level it could recover faster with non-fucked neighbors, and it would be a warning to other states to avoid it

I'm completely aware of this.

>a new study
i don't want no fancy study, i just want you to explain me how my barely profitable establishment will not be completely destroyed once you force me to significantly raise my monthly expenses.

to survive, i will
a) fire someone, have the rest work harder
b) resort to illegal methods like tax evasion or undocumented workers
c) close the establishment and sell the building

And what happens when sex bots are normal and common?

SJW's are a more imminent threat than the jews are

I mean fucking look at the state of Europe and all the mudslimes your SJW's let in

>fuck over multicults and benifit whites
Whats the issue here, senpai?

Yet, however, you are completely unaware of how basic economics work. Your narrow minded "altruism" to raise minimum wages will just lead to collapse in the end.

because if federally mandated it will fuck whites too, be more lasting, and fuck up more faster, completely circumventing the function of states

Fuckin bullshit. The sjws are a symptom. If there was no kikes to drive them, theyd just be stoner, beanbag enthusiasts.

no, stupid people will always be stupid, the kikes don't need to drive them

idiots that are bad at math(or anything really) are attracted to Marxism, because it appeals to the useless idiots, by poorly trying to smooth out the useful wrinkles

Great read! I think the employers should start giving this document as a parting gift to every min-wage worker they will replace with robots.

Well, thats just your opinion.
Gotta ask tho, how can one be anti poor mexican immigration and low wage supporter at the same time? You cant actually expect whites to pick tomatos and shit for you at

Technology will improve, people will not

Oh yeah, im sure the antifa rallies world be just as powerful if jews didnt pay to ship them in amd pay wages to professional protesters. Its true that every society has idiots. But dealing with a few unorganised idiots is barely an issue.

Cool, so how is this going to be an issue against a livable minimum wage today?

if a plan is implemented on a larger scale and fucks up something, it is worse than if it was implemented on a small-scale, and that's not my opinion

Australians and Americans are just retarded. I've never seen anyone have a problem with the new generation of self-service checkouts

that's going to happen to people who are making alot more than minimum wage too idiot. There is more incentive to replace higher earning jobs than low salary.

is this an issue? I don't see any issues

the internet empowers and organizes them, not the jews.
they just know how to profit off them

any smart person would use them

the problem with jews isn't that they are smart, its that their malicious and damaging on a longer larger scale to everyone else, these idiots are more damaging on a short term scale

>strayans and mericunts are retarded
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FACT: SOROS FUNDED "STUDIES" ARE TOTAL HORSESHIT.

And im sure the fact that the media is slowly pushing there agendas has nothing to do with it.

Its literally just old people, or people with massive amounts of items that avoid them

ok, but to what end? this sjw nonsense will make it worse off for jew in the long run

well argued my shitposting friend

>And somehow all the libertarians on here are going to demand we all find something to do when robots do all the work and everythings powered by solar
If automation rises products will be cheaper, so you won't have to work as much as you used to and a single person can support more people.

>nothing is free
Indeed, there's no such thing as free stuff. Even if there will be as much automation aus you predict, there'd still be someone that needs to be responsible to maintain this shit, take the risks, pay for energy costs, decide how much to produce, etc.

The question isn't only whether employment increases or decreases but whether the price level adjust. If the amount of work that is done stays the same, while the earnings increase the prices of goods and services will just go up.

The sjw leads to degeneration of Western society and will pave the way for the new brainwashed, mongrel slave rave that the jew desires

>canada isnt the single biggest shitpost on Sup Forums at the moment