The fall of the Western Roman Empire

>The fall of the Western Roman Empire
>Protestantism
>WW1
>WW2
>EU

Why are krauts always trying to fuck up Europe?

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go home anglo scum

>The fall of the Western Roman Empire
Germans were literally the ones defending the Western Roman Empire lol. The Empire had been German for a century before it fell.

>Protestantism
This was literally top tier until the late 1800s.

>WW1
Slavs and Frogs.

>WW2
Anglos and Frogs.

>EU
Americans.

scums, all of them
exept bavaria ofc

Agree with this.

>Germans were literally the ones defending the Western Roman Empire lol.
From here we can see that you have absolute no knowledge of anything.

>The Empire had been German for a century before it fell.
wew

>This was literally top tier until the late 1800s.
This makes no excuse, it's heretical

>Slavs and Frogs.
Did they declare war on entire europe because some prince died in some country that also happened to be a kraut?

>Anglos and Frogs
Poland was in England's sphere of influence.
It had its' independence guaranteed by the Allies (which were France and Britain + colonies at that time).
Declaring war on Poland wasn't justified and the Frogs and Brits declaring war on Germany was. Hitler was warned to NOT invade poland.

>Americans.
No, the americans were responsible for NATO, nothing to do with the EU.

My view on things:

>EU
But hans, the scumfuck traitors of Europe IE the Allied Powers created the E-Jew

All nazi must die
It's may of 1945

fuck off roach

>Germans were literally the ones defending the Western Roman Empire lol.
>From here we can see that you have absolute no knowledge of anything.
Roman armies were rife with Germanic soldiers in the late empire. Their cavalry was becoming increasingly Germanic even during Caesar's time.

>The Empire had been German for a century before it fell.
>wew
This one isn't completely defensible but it's true that Germanic settlers had been living in Roman borders for quite some time.

>This was literally top tier until the late 1800s.
>This makes no excuse, it's heretical
So you're an Orthodox defending Catholic scum? Martin Luther and the early protestants were incredibly antisemitic. That makes them okay in my book. Now modern protestants? About as awful as modern Catholics.

>Slavs and Frogs.
>Did they declare war on entire europe because some prince died in some country that also happened to be a kraut?
They answered their ally's call to war. You have a very rudimentary understanding of history or the politics of that age if you didn't think a massive war was brewing regardless. It would have broken out over anything, mainly because France was desperate to protect it's military hegemony in Europe, and Britain their trade hegemony in Europe. The German empire threatened those two monopolies.

>Anglos and Frogs
>Poland was in England's sphere of influence.
>It had its' independence guaranteed by the Allies (which were France and Britain + colonies at that time).
>Declaring war on Poland wasn't justified and the Frogs and Brits declaring war on Germany was. Hitler was warned to NOT invade Poland.
So was Hitler, as a nationalist, supposed to ignore the blatant ethnic cleansing of his people? Yes, the war was started with a false flag but that doesn't change the fact that the poles -were- trying to cleanse Danzig and the surrounding area of Germans. Those territories were part of Germany when Germany itself unified. Mostly Germans were living there.
cont

"We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill, 1936 broadcast

>Americans.
>No, the americans were responsible for NATO, nothing to do with the EU.
Actually, NATO started as an alliance between Britain, the low countries and France. Yes the US made it what it is today, but they didn't create it.

As for the EU, it was set up by the allied powers minus the Soviet Union post-war, quite a few Jews were involved in it's foundation as well.

>protestantism
>top tier

>be german
>kill and rape innocent people
>see allied soldier nearby
>turn your back and run away
>get shot

>From here we can see that you have absolute no knowledge of anything.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foederati

>wew
Roman (read: German) armies made and broke many Emperors.

>This makes no excuse, it's heretical
Not as much as Modernist Catholicism lol.

>Did they declare war on entire europe because some prince died in some country that also happened to be a kraut?
No, Russia and France just made an extremely aggressive military alliance in the 1890s that directly threatened Germany so when Russia started mobilising in 1914 Germany had to attack first.

>Poland was in England's sphere of influence.
Aha, no. So much no that the UK could do nothing to stop Germany and the USSR from invading and annexing. So much no again that the UK actively let the USSR annex the entirety of the country after WW2, despite claiming that the reason they started the war in the first place was to protect Poland.

>It had its' independence guaranteed by the Allies (which were France and Britain + colonies at that time).
Only by the UK. France just promised to support Britain in war against Germany no matter the reason and the colonies were not entirely unanimous in their support. Canada took about a week to declare war after the UK did. The UK also had absolutely no right to offer an Independence guarantee to a country that occupied historically German land filled with German people when they had the single largest Empire in the world at the time. Imagine if Germany had all of a sudden declared itself supportive of Indian independence?

>Declaring war on Poland wasn't justified
It was actually. Poland occupied German lands and was oppressing Germans while being completely unreasonable and aggressive in diplomatic negotiations. Caused in part by Britain's guarantee, which actually stated they'd support Poland no matter what happened. i.e. Poland could have attacked Germany

Ran out of text. Just remember, Stalin invaded Poland too and the British allied with him ;)

Something else I like to add about the poles and their supposed "historical claim" to the land:

If they're going to reach that far back into history to make their claims legitimate, how about the Germanic tribes which basically inhabited the whole of modern Poland before the Slavs even came west?

>thirty years war

>Roman armies were rife with Germanic soldiers in the late empire. Their cavalry was becoming increasingly Germanic even during Caesar's time.
Defending themselves against Germans.

>This one isn't completely defensible but it's true that Germanic settlers had been living in Roman borders for quite some time.
Doesn't make the empire german though, that's dumb to say.

>They answered their ally's call to war.
Against who? The serbians?
Serbians were allied to Russia, the tsar hesitated to mobilize and even called off the general mobilization. Willhelm and Nicholas were friends, they were cousins, they wrote to each other almost every day and referred to themselves as "nicky" and "willy".

>You have a very rudimentary understanding of history or the politics of that age if you didn't think a massive war was brewing regardless.
It was, this doesn't make germany a victim however. It was war, it lost.

>So was Hitler, as a nationalist, supposed to ignore the blatant ethnic cleansing of his people?
This is a complete meme. [Citation needed]

>Those territories were part of Germany when Germany itself unified.
And it lost those territories in ww1, there is no reason to start another world war simply to regain territories.


>Not as much as Modernist Catholicism lol.
Did I say anythign about catholicism?
Both are heretical.

>Russia started mobilising in 1914 Germany had to attack first.
Read what I said above to the other guy.

>So much no that the UK could do nothing to stop Germany
It obviously declared war, it couldn't send troops to poland.

> So much no again that the UK actively let the USSR annex the entirety of the country after WW2
It became a puppet state.
And who the fuck would dare to go against the USSR, really. #1 rule of war, never march towards moscow.

>Only by the UK. France just promised to support Britain in war against Germany
And that is what they did.

Cont..

>The UK also had absolutely no right to offer an Independence guarantee to a country that occupied historically German land filled with German people
So are you denying the existance of poles now or what?
Poland was a country, it doesn't matter that it occupied territories where germans happened to live in. Those territories were agreed upon after ww2.
Having a german population in danzig doesn't mean you should start a world war. Nevertheless, Hitler didn't care about this much, his economic policy depended on war to start with, involving the invasions of small european countries.

> Poland occupied German lands and was oppressing Germans while being completely unreasonable and aggressive in diplomatic negotiations

>"muh oppressed germans"
oh please, you're being pathetic. This is a meme and you know it.

>which actually stated they'd support Poland no matter what happened
This is bad how?

> Poland could have attacked Germany
How?
By sending cavalry to charge against panzers?
top kek

>Stalin invaded Poland too and the British allied with him
You think anyone would dare to mess with the Russians?

>after ww2
I mean after ww1

>The fall of the Western Roman Empire
Jews
>Protestantism
Jews
>WW1
Jews
>WW2
Jews
>EU
Jews

>Why are Jews always trying to fuck up Europe?

"hur dur jews"
listen here you fuck, I don't like jews either but whining about kikes when you have no answer makes you look retarded

>Defending themselves against Germans.
Actually, Romans made the first transgression against the Germans during the age of Augustus. That's what the battle of Teutoburg forest was about: driving the Romans from Germania.

>Against who? The serbians?
>Serbians were allied to Russia, the tsar hesitated to mobilize and even called off the general mobilization. Willhelm and Nicholas were friends, they were cousins, they wrote to each other almost every day and referred to themselves as "nicky" and "willy".
No, Germany was allied to Austria-Hungary.

>It was, this doesn't make germany a victim however. It was war, it lost.
This still doesn't justify your claim that they started WWI or even ruined Europe though. Poor show

>This is a complete meme. [Citation needed]
archive.org/details/Auswaertiges-Amt-Dokumente-polnischer-Grausamkeiten
The documentation is mainly German since none of the Allied powers dared to mention it. You know, since as you said, it was in their best interest to defend Poland.
And then of course Bloody Sunday shows the true character of the poles, but that was directly after the war began.

>Those territories were part of Germany when Germany itself unified.
>And it lost those territories in ww1, there is no reason to start another world war simply to regain territories.
What sort of delusional cuck are you? If Turkey invaded, say Thessaloniki, and cut off another portion of your country's land access to the capital, and then proceeded to harass and beat the Greek people living there, surely you'd be upset?

I won't touch any of the others since they're not directed towards me but this one:

>So much no again that the UK actively let the USSR annex the entirety of the country after WW2
>It became a puppet state.
>And who the fuck would dare to go against the USSR, really. #1 rule of war, never march towards moscow.
HURR DURF MUH WINTER MEME DONT GO AGAINST RUSSIA DORP DE DURRR

What are you, 16? The Reich nearly had Russia licked.

cont

If it wasn't a multifront war, and the allied powers weren't feeding the Red Army, Russia would have been steamrolled.

what is this self-loathing trend going on Sup Forums these days?

btw, the Polish army had tanks during WWII, ones that were even higher quality than the early German ones. The difference was that German tanks had radios, and of course there were more of them.

>using memes as actual arguments

my friend, you are the retard

pay denbts schlomo

>Their cavalry was becoming increasingly Germanic

And it was a pathethic force. Only when they sarted to adopt hunnic and pathian tactics did roman cavalry started worthing anything

> it's true that Germanic settlers had been living in Roman borders for quite some time.

So? Roman empire manvred germnan tribes against each other, the most notable was putting the ostrogoths agaisnt the Huns (or the visigoths, i don't remeber). Effective germans in roman army were some, not many, and were only auxiliaries. But true is that for some times, the ruler of Western roman empire was a half vandal

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stilicho

fuck this i accidently refreshed the page and now its all gone

> The difference was that German tanks had radios, and of course there were more of them.
you answered your own question

rbth.com/business/2015/05/08/allies_gave_soviets_130_billion_under_lend-lease_45879.html

lend lease is a meme

>The Reich nearly had Russia licked.
The German military is most consistently overrated fighting force of World War II. The Wehrmacht was impressive in its victories, and still dangerous in its defeats, but it had some mind boggling flaws which the myth of German military genius and the "blame Hitler" excuse often served to hide. For their part, the Russians are underrated more than they're overrated. For the longest time they were seen as a blundering mass of men and tanks who just ground over the Germans with endless waves. The recognition of their operational skill and sophistication is a relatively new thing in the West and based on a much more thorough understanding of the Eastern Front since the end of the Cold War. The USSR were generally on the back foot until late-1942, but after that the Soviets repeatedly showed the ability to consistently out-general the Germans. The German high command repeatedly failed to correctly identify the time and place of major Red Army offensives, and was thus consistently unable to stop them, and then when those offensives developed they were always playing catch-up with the fast moving Soviet Tank Armies.

>lefty/pol/
you fag

>Poland occupied German lands and was oppressing Germans

You are stupid. Most of the germans living in silesia, posen and east pommerania were 19th century prussian settlers. Historially those lands were polish.

>how about the Germanic tribes which basically inhabited the whole of modern Poland before the Slavs even came west?

They were too busy nigging in Roman empire

>The German military is most consistently overrated fighting force of World War II
Lol they effectively invented modern warfare you idiot. What are you even saying?

>what is auftragstaktik
>what is storm trooper tactics
>what is the emphasis on mobility using modern mechanized infantry
>while not inventing the assault rifle, did invent the first practical assault rifle and is directly responsible for making it a trend


>The Wehrmacht was impressive in its victories, and still dangerous in its defeats, but it had some mind boggling flaws which the myth of German military genius and the "blame Hitler" excuse often served to hide

The "blame hitler" thing is a meme in itself. Hitler in a sort is responsible for the military successes that they DID enjoy. The majority of Hitler's general staff were old prussian aristocracy, most of which wanted to continue using outdated WWI tactics. Hitler instead chose the experimental route, and took the advice of Hans von Seeckt and Heinz Guderian, effectively creating the "blitzkrieg".

>For the longest time they were seen as a blundering mass of men and tanks who just ground over the Germans with endless waves.
And that's essentially what they are. You can blame Stalin's stupidity for that, purging his entire general staff. There is a reason why the German KDR was so high. Don't mistake brutish strength for military genius.

>What are you, 16? The Reich nearly had Russia licked.

You are stupid, germany was never close to winning the war with USSR.

>
>the allied powers weren't feeding the Red Army
>muh lebnd lease

Lend lease was drops in the ocean. And Most arrived after the battle of stalingrad, when the war was pretty much finished

Protestantism is Germany's greatest contribution to history

>Russian historians say that the lend lease wasn't that big of a deal

What a surprise.

>$130 BILLION isn't a big deal to a country that was effectively destroyed by civil war and bureaucratic mismanagement

>Historially those lands were polish.
No, they were historically and ethnically German. I already smacked down this retarded meme argument. Like I said, if you want to pull the "hundreds of years in the past" card, Germanic tribes DID in fact inhabit those territories in ancient times, way before the Slavs came west.

>You are stupid, germany was never close to winning the war with USSR.
They were literally within spitting distance of Moscow. If they had invaded several weeks sooner instead of having to bail out that retard Mussolini in his balkan vanity war, they would have taken it.

Pay denbts

It always surprises me how retards can say that Germany wasn't militarily significant when they took on the world twice, essentially single-handedly with terrible allies each time, and nearly won.

Franco-Prussian war, defeated the strongest military in Europe at the time (or what was considered to be the strongest)
WWI, not a single shot fired on German soil.
WWII, almost conquered the entire European fucking continent

Seriously, your stupidity and arrogance knows no bounds.

>fuck this i accidently refreshed the page and now its all gone

feel ya

>don't have nothing to say, better call him a fag

>Lol they effectively invented modern warfare you idiot.

No they didn't. But Kudos on Crete paratropper operation. Most of Werhmacht was still dominated by the same kind of generals in WW1

>effectively creating the "blitzkrieg".
Blitzkrieg was something that german general theorists wanted to employ in WW1, but they didn't have the equipment for it, nor logistics. Blitzkrieg wasn't a very new concept. Just a way for allies to excuse their defeats with "Mind puzzling breaktrough tactics"

>You can blame Stalin's stupidity for that, purging his entire general staff
and once command was regained, no one could beat them.

>They were literally within spitting distance of Moscow.
"hur dur if ur in moscow u win the war!"
wew

The battle of moscow DID happened
and it failed.

>Mussolini
the war in greece was over before barbarossa even started you fag

The greeks won WW2
aye

feelsgood

>Netherlands jumping to the eternal krauts defense
No wonder Germany is trying to absorb your military.

>No, they were historically and ethnically German.

According to? If you take a look at maps of polish kingdoms, those areas were always under polish control. Only when prussia partitioned the commonwealth did the germans con

trolled posen and silesia

>Germanic tribes DID in fact inhabit those territories in ancient time

And then left to go nigging in Roman empire.

>both posters are from Germany

>They were literally within spitting distance of Moscow.

Napoleon conquered Moscow. So?

> If they had invaded several weeks sooner instead of having to bail out that retard Mussolini in his balkan vanity war, they would have taken it.

Probably not.

>essentially single-handedly

Germany had the whole europe either occupied , allied or under control before operation barbarossa. What else do they wanted?

>No they didn't. But Kudos on Crete paratropper operation. Most of Werhmacht was still dominated by the same kind of generals in WW1
Did you even read my posts fully?

>Blitzkrieg was something that german general theorists wanted to employ in WW1, but they didn't have the equipment for it, nor logistics. Blitzkrieg wasn't a very new concept. Just a way for allies to excuse their defeats with "Mind puzzling breaktrough tactics"
Also wrong. You're thinking of stormtrooper tactics. Blitzkrieg is the combination of stormtrooper tactics, highly mobilized mechanized infantry and bombing raids.

>and once command was regained, no one could beat them.
What sort of magical "renewal of general staff" are you thinking about? Russian military staff was full of retarded ideological loyalists who didn't know the first thing about warfare. Again, they overcame the German army with sheer numbers. This much isn't debatable.

>"hur dur if ur in moscow u win the war!"
It would have had enormous propaganda value and an even bigger impact on Russian morale. If you don't understand why the capture of a capital is still important during the modern age, I can't help you. It wouldn't be like Napoleon where they could just wait them out and take it back. They would have continued their advance.

>The battle of moscow DID happened and it failed.
Yes, you small minded cretin. Because their tanks and equipment froze overnight at the moscow city limits. Again, if they did not have to bail Mussolini's retarded ass out in the Balkans, they could have invaded sooner and the weather would not have destroyed their offensive capabilities.

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>>Protestantism
Nice bait

>>WW1
>>WW2
The irony is that the Allies went into WWI to protect the principle of "national self-determination", and then gave Lothringen and Saarland to France, Danzig to Poland, the Sudetenland and Slovakia to the Czechs -- and then went into WWII to guarantee the inviolability and independence of the borders drawn at Versailles, but gave Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Romania, Hungary, Prussia, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and Bulgaria to the USSR.

>>EU
This one the Germans do get the blame for

>What else do they wanted?
Well the USSR was planning an attack...

cucked at max

> but gave Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Romania, Hungary, Prussia, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and Bulgaria to the USSR.
No, the USSR conquered those lands.
It was too late to negotiate over them.
You don't mess with russkies

>29 ACE + 1987
>Still practicing Catholicism
>Not joining the rest of western civilization in the post-enlightenment era.
Kek.

>mental gymnastics and dimwitted dismissal

come on my dude, you can do better than this

Ethnic Germans lived there by majority, the land had been German for YEARS. It was German territory during the unification and even before that. By your own logic, Poles had no claim to the land because they were no longer there.

>Napoleon conquered Moscow. So?
>comparing the napoleonic wars to modern warfare
lol

>Germany had the whole europe either occupied , allied or under control before operation barbarossa. What else do they wanted?
Stalin was the farthest thing from a reliable ally. He was amassing troops at the border and making moves in Bessarabia, which threatened Germany's main oil income. Hitler knew that the German army couldn't fight a defensive war against a fully mobilized Russia, it was an offense-oriented army. He also knew that the Soviets were still recovering from their brutal civil war and hadn't fully organized their country yet. National Socialism was and is inherently anti-Communist. He made the best decision he possibly could have by invading. His only mistake was allying with Mussolini.

>pope kissing muslims feet.jpg

also meant to quote

>Also wrong. You're thinking of stormtrooper tactics. Blitzkrieg is the combination of stormtrooper tactics, highly mobilized mechanized infantry and bombing raids.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzkrieg#Military_change.2C_1919.E2.80.931939

>Again, they overcame the German army with sheer numbers

The KI:D ratio by mid war was virtually 1:1

you can also add genetically fucking up our anglo gene pool YOU KRAUT FUCK!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

> Danzig to Poland
>muh HOI

Daanzing was a independent city state under a mandate by the league of nations

>Well the USSR was planning an attack...

Source?

>Actually, Romans made the first transgression against the Germans during the age of Augustus

God fuck Germanicus. That guy was such an asshole.

>Lets wait till they have their celebrations where everyone is unarmed to slaughter whole villages, including every single woman and child

>Ethnic Germans lived there by majority

Arguably. Not in silesia at least.

>Poles had no claim to the land because they were no longer there.

But they were there.

>>comparing the napoleonic wars to modern warfare

What makes you think that USSR would surrender had Moscow been taken?

>Stalin was the farthest thing from a reliable ally.

Like Hitler.

> He was amassing troops at the border and making moves in Bessarabia

Restoring rightfull Russian lands.

>He made the best decision he possibly could have by invading.

And he lost.

Why do you try. Just check the name of the portugese.
Any debate with them is sterile and a loss of energy. They're not going to say "Oh fuck, you're right, I'm a fucking retard". You and me neither by the way.

lol

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzkrieg#Military_change.2C_1919.E2.80.931939
Like I said, stormtrooper tactics. You're describing things that ended up being part of what is known as "blitzkrieg", not blitzkrieg itself.

>The KI:D ratio by mid war was virtually 1:1
German military death toll: 4,440,000 to 5,318,000 (including those inflicted by USA, Britain etc)
USSR military death toll: 10,600,000

lol

Blame Roman arrogance and foolishness. "hey these guys are totally nice even though we invaded them and all, lets go send soldiers to relax and chill with them" Pretty much everyone during antiquity did similar if not worse and trickier things.

>What makes you think that USSR would surrender had Moscow been taken?
They wouldn't right off the bat, but it would demoralize them and reduce their capacity to fight and organize without a central command hub. Wehrmacht wouldn't have been slowed down by the massive equipment loss as well, so there's that.

>Like Hitler.
The same Hitler who bailed out his allies time and time again, despite their repeated failures?

>Restoring rightfull Russian lands.
Are you intentionally contradicting yourself at this point?

>Blame Roman arrogance and foolishness.
Germanicus was Roman though. It was the Romans who slaughtered the whole villages during celebrations.

I agree that this wasn't super uncommon back then, but no one can really go and say that the Germanic tribes didn't have good reason to be a bit pissed off at the Romans like the other user seemed to imply.

Jewish/Muslim divide and conquer tactics, ignore. Each European nation has contributed good and evil to the European continent. Sage.

Oh I misread your post. Germans did somewhat similar things during the battle of teutoburg forest, and I thought you were referring to that. Although they slaughtered soldiers, not women and children.

danzig was also under a national socialist plebiscite which had affirmed the reunifcation with germany. it was defacto german territory all the germans wanted was a land corridor between danzig and prussia. which the polish refused to negotiate over because of their trumped up position as a protectorate of britain and france.

Essentially this above all. The leaf speaks sense

IKR? He reminds me of the Korean Jap proxy saying he wishes Japan was 25% nigger 25% mudslime 25% burger and 25% nip

They did? All I knew about trickery during the Hermannsschlacht was that Arminius mislead the Roman troops by pretending to scout ahead when really he was just making sure that the last preparations for the battle were done.

They were quite unfriendly to the Roman troops though. Mostly because they had promised the lives of their enemies as sacrifice to their gods, so they couldn't really let anyone live.

Why the fuck doesn't Poland and France just annex that shithole anyway?

Fuck whys he got such a small head

Probably because he was a young kid in the end years of the war.

>Bloody Sunday meme

wew lad

Basically, the German tribes of the region conspired in secret to weaken the Roman army before attacking.

First, representatives from various German tribes asked the general in the area, Varus, if they could each host a Roman cohort for the winter. They waited until the Romans were tired, drunk or asleep before killing them in the night. This reduced Varus' forces to about 15,000 from 20,000.

Then essentially Arminius told Varus that a massive rebellion had broken out to the north and pleaded for help. This was obviously a trap but Varus fell for it. The rest is history

>Like I said, stormtrooper tactics. You're describing things that ended up being part of what is known as "blitzkrieg", not blitzkrieg itself.

I said that te theory behind blitzkrieg wasn't new, not that blietzkrieg was conducted before Nazi germany.

>>The KI:D ratio by mid war was virtually 1:1

By mid war, like i said

history.stackexchange.com/questions/1239/what-was-the-ratio-of-german-to-soviet-losses-on-eastern-front-during-different

Read, nigger.

>They wouldn't right off the bat, but it would demoralize them and reduce their capacity to fight and organize without a central command hub. Wehrmacht wouldn't have been slowed down by the massive equipment loss as well, so there's that.

And makes you thin German logistics were developed enough to enter deeper into Russia?

>The same Hitler who bailed out his allies time and time again, despite their repeated failures?

The same hitler who inavded the rest of czechoslvakia after the munich aggrement. The same Hitler who invaded USSR after the Molotov Ribbentrop pact. The same Hitler who invaded netherlands for reasons. The same Hitler who invaded Belgium and Luxembourg after them declaring neutrality. The same Hitler that invaded Denmark and Norway. The same Hitler that partitioned Romania.

Oh, okay. I didn't know about the thing with the cohorts.

Varus wasn't the brightest candle.

And they had every reason too. Just a year before, after the czechs signed the munich agreement, Hitler invaded them nonetheless. The Poles had every reason to tell Hitler to fuck off.

beacause europe has a tiny cunt and a tiny asshole, europe is a fucking pedo and for my opinion, every men in the house can fuck that retard how many times they want.

I don't habg out with retards.

Nigga proably got executed as well

>Are you intentionally contradicting yourself at this point?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessarabia

Napoleon didn't conquer Moscow. Kutuzov convinced the empreror that they had to let Napoleon into Moscow. In fact, the Russian army and the citizens of Moscow took everything they could before they left the city so Napoleon got nothing.

fuck off kike
>ww2
>fuck up europe
you mean try to save europe?
Fuck off Achmed

>I said that te theory behind blitzkrieg wasn't new, not that blietzkrieg was conducted before Nazi germany.
Except it was. How many times do I have to say it? Stormtrooper tactics alone are not the "theory" of blitzkrieg. I explained what blitzkrieg was in one of my previous posts. The spear and shield were both invented before the Phalanx, does that mean that the "theory" of the phalanx existed before Greeks adopted it en-masse?

>By mid war, like i said
and this specific portion of the war matters more, why? Because you say it does?

>And makes you thin German logistics were developed enough to enter deeper into Russia?
They were the most developed logistics of the time period.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessarabia
You do realize that this is a region that is historically populated by wallachs, right? Moldavia was it's own independent country for many years. By your logic, it's not rightfully Russian clay :^) Doublethink?

Large helmet, not small head

He had Moscow. He gave the "morale blow" that the other user talked about. And yet Napoleon lost.

~Moscow was heavily defended in ww2

>don't hang out with retards
>does business with Venezuela

wew.

Once again, comparing napoleonic warfare to the warfare of the 20th century is pants on head retarded. Also there is a difference between conquering Moscow and having it handed to you on a silver platter.

>and this specific portion of the war matters more, why? Because you say it does?
Matter more? What are you trying to say? Stop being a retard. Red army had a K:D ration close to one mid to late war. And germans only had a slightly superior because they were on the defensive.

>They were the most developed logistics of the time period.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

They moved suplies with cart and horse. Soldiers had a lack of everything.

>You do realize that this is a region that is historically populated by wallachs, right? Moldavia was it's own independent country for many years. By your logic, it's not rightfully Russian clay :^) Doublethink?

Thank you. Just like i said. Silesia and Posen was historically inhabited with poles. Poland was a indepedent country for almosta millenia. We have a aggrement

And comparing the fervour that the imperial russians fought Napoleon with the fervour that the red army fought germans is pants on head retarded. There is literally nothing that points out that Stalin would have surrendered had Moscow been captured(Wich wasn't even close from happening).

>Matter more? What are you trying to say? Stop being a retard. Red army had a K:D ration close to one mid to late war. And germans only had a slightly superior because they were on the defensive.
Yes, this was after they lost shitloads of tanks and trucks during the battle of Moscow. They still had an incredibly poor K:D ratio overall. Again, this is where Mussolini ruined everything. You do realize what caused them to lose the battle of Moscow, correct? Nearly all of their equipment was rendered useless after an overnight freeze turned mud to solid ice, destroying tank tracks and freezing vehicles in place. That would not have been the case if they had invaded when Hitler originally intended to.

>They moved suplies with cart and horse. Soldiers had a lack of everything.
Again, this is after things went wrong at Moscow. The Soviets had the same exact problems, to an even worse degree.

>Thank you. Just like i said. Silesia and Posen was historically inhabited with poles. Poland was a indepedent country for almosta millenia. We have a aggrement
One slight problem with your argument bud. Bessarabia is inhabited by Wallachs/Romanians, the "polish" territories in question were inhabited by majority Germans.

>And comparing the fervour that the imperial russians fought Napoleon with the fervour that the red army fought germans is pants on head retarded. There is literally nothing that points out that Stalin would have surrendered had Moscow been captured(Wich wasn't even close from happening).
We're not talking about military fervour entirely you moron. We're talking about technological and logistical capacity. You're comparing Napoleonic squares to fucking panzer divisions. I never said Stalin would have immediately surrendered. I said that it would have delt a morale impact. There is also the important point of the losses suffered at the battle of Moscow. People like to point to Stalingrad but the Battle of Moscow is where the war was truly lost.

meant to quote

The power of Germany needs to be kept finite instead of total and infinite.
However, contrary to popular history parts of Germany are the oldest lands of the Earth and that is a significant part of why there have been bids for power, influence or satisfaction from Germany. It is also why it would be wrongful patricide for the rest of the world to destroy it.
Before German unification indeed before the Rhineland and France were terraformed, before the time when you could sail in closer to a straight line from Genoa to Venice because the Southern peninsula including Rome were not there yet, before the Rock Nuts of Greece grew into the islands and lands of Greece and before there was any land at Egypt for locusts to alight on there were a couple little lands in what is now Germany.
Nationalists of other nations have disliked this and built Rouens and new antiquities to prove they are way so ancient. They do not want to yield Germany as the first of places in the world (barring arctics ice) but we ought to allow them a place in the world because they were in fact there first. They just were not all the same as they are now and those of us that left for England and around the world have won the upper hand once or twice.
Have a nice day.

>Why is the country in the middle of Europe always in the middle of European affairs.

It's like you're almost sentient.

>Yes, this was after they lost shitloads of tanks and trucks during the battle of Moscow.

The west red army lost 90% of the effectives during barbarossa.

>They still had an incredibly poor K:D ratio overall.
Nah, a close to 1 ratio while being on the offensive vs a still capable army is no little feat

>Nearly all of their equipment was rendered useless after an overnight freeze turned mud to solid ice, destroying tank tracks and freezing vehicles in place.
>bad preparation
>shit results

>You do realize what caused them to lose the battle of Moscow, correct?

Moscow was heavily defended. Show me your sources where the red army was almost defeated in Moscow.

>Again, this is after things went wrong at Moscow. The Soviets had the same exact problems, to an even worse degree.

After barbarossa. But after things started to calm down, soviets developed much more advanced logistics then germans.

>the "polish" territories in question were inhabited by majority Germans.
No they weren't
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Empire#/media/File:Sprachen_Deutsches_Reich_1900.png

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisation#In_Prussia

so what did i miss