Age of Robotics

Would Marx and Engels have been supporters of militant proletarianism if they had foreseen capitalism pushing technology to the point where human labor (skilled & unskilled) is rendered obsolete? robotics, software logistics, etc...

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>automation meme

Literally nothing will happen, retard. Those people whose jobs become automated will just go into the automation or serving the robots. Expect more people going into STEM to fill the need of the automation industry. We'll have more engineers, programmers, scientists, etc.

We have this thread every day and it's filled with luddite retards who simply cannot grasp the fact that there isn't a finite supply of jobs. If truck drivers lose their job because of automation they'll just go into another industry like programming. People change jobs all the time.

servicing*

You should think about early 20th century reforms marxed missed, rather than 21st century robotics famalam.

I have to say that Marx did not thought of social democracy-welfare. In other words, the capitalist throw a bone, created bread and circusses to keep masses in check. He thought the brutal-no welfare-no social net-no working right (or if there were any miniscule) would continue forever thus forcing an evolution.

But it didn't happen like that, esspecially after USSR workers right expanded tremendously, lest they go and become commies.

But since ussr is gone, working rights are are getting worse. Maybe we will go back to the 19th century brutal capitalism in the future, with added ills coming from globalism, who knows.

>human labor is rendered obsolete

literally no proofs whatsoever

No, becasue the proletarian would be free to do whaterver he/she liked. That was the end gole of Marxism. Utopia. Capitalism would provied for everyone and then real Socialism would begin. We could then spend this free time contribute to culture. For Marxism to be acheeved Capitalism needs to be fully realized.

right no proofs, just assumptions based on the likes of self-driving cars, facorty automation... seems to me like there is a possibility to do away with currency in a century or so...

They forced the issue with their patently false 'labor theory of value' meme.

>Hey Marx. I spent 3 hours jacking it today. >Therefore, I created 3 hours worth of value but haven't been paid yet.
>Where's my revolution, dipshit?

The cost of that twisted ideology is so high, full human extinction would be a preferable outcome.

>Marx and Engels
Cute. Now, get out.

well, value of commodities, more specifically the surplus commoditiy value, comes from somewhere. if the means of production is robotic, as well as the labor, robotic, the profit comes from where?

thanks, never heard of this guy

Ever imagined robots doing plumbing or fixing cars?

An experienced human will be always more versatile and flexible. Probably safer too.

Also, have you ever tried those self-driving cars in Eastern Yrup or say, Russia?

from engels:
Just as Darwin discovered the law of development or organic nature, so Marx discovered the law of development of human history: the simple fact, hitherto concealed by an overgrowth of ideology, that mankind must first of all eat, drink, have shelter and clothing, before it can pursue politics, science, art, religion, etc.; that therefore the production of the immediate material means, and consequently the degree of economic development attained by a given people or during a given epoch, form the foundation upon which the state institutions, the legal conceptions, art, and even the ideas on religion, of the people concerned have been evolved, and in the light of which they must, therefore, be explained, instead of vice versa, as had hitherto been the case.

jobs will exist, but would currency have to? In the automation age...

>working rights are are getting worse

Where?

>pseudo intellectuals
>relevant when
Don't buy into the m8, there entire ideology has been debunked several times to which the commies reply "not muh communism!!1!", they would have probably argued that the commies pushed technology via pressuring capitalism or something retarded along those lines.

But isn't one of the gripes against communism is forced labor, skilled labor deserving more, etc. and wouldn't those be irrelevant with automation and computerized logistics of resources? I've got some food for thought already from this thread and am going back to lurking, posting on this damn site raises my blood pressure

>American education

it is hard to read a critique of capitalism and not find some relevance. care to critique a critique of capitalism?

That's an impossible question to answer but to further add to that technological developments wasn't the only things he didn't foresee.

Labor unions, worker parties, bourgeoisie reformers, nationalism and rising standards of living were also things he didn't account for. On top of that with industrial associations getting bigger and bigger, business man now had the opportunity by accepting to concessions from labor unions and then adjusting the price of the goods on the market.

Marxisism is bullshit because Marx had a warped idea of how human nature actually works

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>An experienced human will be always more versatile and flexible. Probably safer too.
Meatbags actually believe this

So basically libertarianism?

Think of Star Trek TNG, they didn't use currency because replicators gave them goods without an associated labor-cost... doesn't automation do the same?

Fucking machines. Do ya have any yarbles?

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Is a job just justification for the unethical things we do to feed, clothe, and house ourselves? We can feel the wrong, but then fall on the "job" excuse... competition drives innovation only in markets driven by currency and the quest for a finite amount of profit, which can be reduced to labor. If we were all in it together, rather than sequestering our good ideas so we can be the ones to primarily profit, wouldn't it make more sense for everyone to pool the best ideas in the absence of profit? thus innovation wouldn't be driven by profit, but by logic and reason; we'd have still gone to the moon, just on spaceships, not missles.

Marx's theory was based on capitalism developing the productivity of labor—decreasing the labor input required for the same and increasing output. It was initially Ricardo's observation in terms of political economy that there is a necessary relationship between the development of labor-saving machinery and the increase in unemployment. Since there is no necessity that new employments arise at the same rate as old employments disappear, it remains uncertain that the process of capital can continue. There is reason to suspect that it cannot, in fact, since the possibility of new markets and expanding production is not infinite. The relevant problem amounts to whether or not capitalism will become impossible in a time-frame relevant to humans.

It is that circuit error in the process of production upon which Marx bases his anticipation of a collapse of the mode of production. At the point that capitalism becomes impossible, or at the point that a self-conscious proletariat believes it cannot remain possible, Marx believed that the proletariat would take upon itself the construction of a new society in which labor did not confront the means of labor as private property, but organized production and distribution on a rational basis—that is, according to a plan.

Marx gave only a broad economic description of what communism would be. The reason Marxists often say that communism has never been tried is because, in Marxist terms, general commodity production—capitalism—has never been superseded. Also, there are certain purely political socialists who do not want credit for authoritarian regimes, but that has little to do with Marxism.

>tl;dr Technology advances, the rate unemployment increases, new employments do not necessarily increase at the same rate, commodities produced on an ever increasing scale cannot be consumed at the rate of their production, hence the ability of commodities to be sold is checked in two places. Error rate increases.