I feel sad that Britain is leaving the EU. I love this country and I feel like they are getting away from us...

I feel sad that Britain is leaving the EU. I love this country and I feel like they are getting away from us. I hope that the UK will still have close ties with France if they really live the union.

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They should leave the EU. It is a total disaster. The UK is not ready to handle the influx of immigrants over the next 20 years. It will bankrupt their health care and educational system. All of the fearmongering by the other Euro countries on trade and the threats they are making are bullshit. If UK leaves, they will remain strong. If they do not, anyone who voted against the exit literally fired the final shot that killed their country.

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>Anglos
>white

Britain, STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE!

The EU is, in principle a great idea. A free trade zone which aims to create a deeply integrated free single unified market.

In practice, the EU is a beaurocratic nightmare, which destroys growth and hinders businesses from growing, financing themselves and hiring people due to red tape.

I really hope the Brits leave and that the EU then gets it and reforms so that Sweden, Austria, Denmark, Finland etc. do not leave.

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That's rich, Mohammud

I don't don't whether to vote in or out

How about based Normans?

No it isn't. It has never been a good idea at all. You don't need a 'free trade zone' when the entire fucking world is a free trade zone.

This is why only Germany has grown economically under the EU. And by grow we mean by 1% after 10 years of it.

Let's face it, the EU is a disaster.

Heh, keep waiting they aren't leaving

I am voting against the neo-liberal EU, not against Europe.

you have to go back to pakiland ahmed.

We're not leaving the EU though. It's not going to happen. Not enough people give a shit.

I love how the fearmongering EU press is making threats toward UK that if they leave they will be "last in line" on trade deals. That is hilarious. I guess countries will just stop taking their money! You will still have us, Brit-bros.

I want a strong, united Europe. I love my european brothers. That's why I'm voting out. Hopefully it will start the ball rolling for the collapse of the present E.U, and we can rebuild from the ground up. My vote is more about ending the E.U in its current form than about the future of my country, although that is a concern.

>You don't need a 'free trade zone' when the entire fucking world is a free trade zone.

Actually, there is a reason why trade among EU countries is 10 times higher than between EU countries and non-European countries.

The world is a protectionist asstard, capitalist "whoever is stronger wins" bs non-free market.

The only reason America is such a strong economy is because it has free trade among its states. It is the single most important enumerated responsibility of Washington in the US Constitution. Without it, the USA could not have survived for even a few years.

vote out

>You will still have us, Brit-bros.

Will Clinton follow Obama's precedent of marginalising UK-US relations, or will she be more like her husband, who as far as I'm aware got along well with us?

You know that old canard "if you love them set them free"?
If you love the United Kingdom respect their sovereignty and let them go their own way.

Join us.

>This is why only Germany has grown economically under the EU. And by grow we mean by 1% after 10 years of it.
>Let's face it, the EU is a disaster.

And yet Germany is the strongest export nation in the world by far (China only exports shit and America imports a shitload more than it exports). 15 years ago, before the introduction of the Euro and before the tighter integration of the EU, Germany was the "sick man of Europe".

Explain how this could have happened?

>ficki ficki

>No one really gives a shit
>So voter turnout will be crap, just like at European elections
>Of those that do give a shit those that oppose it are far more numerous and dedicated

The polls are about even. We're still in the race.

I'd trust Clinton more than Obama to get along with you chaps personally. As long as you can defend yourselves Trump will be fine with you lot too. I'm pretty sure relations will improve no matter who wins.

>unironically thinks EUSSR is the only way for european countries to have relationship

Its not about isolation, its about overthrowing a non democratic organisation that infringes upon national sovreignty of european nations, we dont need their stupid norms made to keep the comon people from exercising an activity, we dont need imigration when unemployment skyrockets, we dont need a treaty with the US that has yet to be disclosed and that will be adopted by a bunch of fags noone elected and corupted to the brim by big buisness, fuck EU, I hope you brits start the revolt so we can be free ourselves .

Prison still has visitor policies, I hope they come visit once in a while.

You manipulate you currency to the detriment of the rest of the EU, especially Italy who cannot inflate their Lira anymore, or Ireland who aren't even in a Euro currency region.

Its Germany that needs to leave Europe, not the UK. Then it would grow.

good luck britbros! we know you can do it! :D

The early 2000s recession affected pretty much the whole world (except the UK, Canada and Australia - commonwealth stronk).

The EU had nothing to do with it.

Of course France misses a economic power house that helps pump up the EU through taxation for the collective pool

>Ireland who aren't even in a Euro currency region.

What? Ireland uses the Euro.

Not like our keynesian policies in the 80's helped or anything...

>The early 2000s recession affected pretty much the whole world.

But I am talking about the late 1990s.

economist.com/node/209559

The sick man of the euro
Jun 3rd 1999
THE social-market economy devised in Germany after the second world war, with its careful blend of market capitalism, strong labour protection and a generous welfare state, served the country well for several decades. But it is now coming under pressure as never before. As economic growth stalls yet again, the country is being branded the sick man (or even the Japan) of Europe. This is inevitably casting a cloud over Europe's single currency, the euro, for Germany accounts for a full third of the euro countries' output. When Germany sneezes, its neighbours feel a chill—and nervous markets are likely to sell the euro. Thus the biggest economic problem for Europe today is how to revive the German economy.

The numbers certainly tell a bleak story. German GDP shrank by 0.2% in the fourth quarter of 1998, against growth of 0.5% for the rest of the euro area. The figures for the first quarter of this year, which will be published next week, are not expected to provide much cheer. A few forecasters—albeit in the minority—think that the economy may have shrunk for a second quarter in a row, which would put Germany technically in recession. Any growth that is recorded is sure to be small. The government has scaled down its forecast of GDP growth for this year to 1.5%. Even that may be optimistic; several private-sector economists' forecasts go as low as 1%.

Next year may bring better news, as exports at last pick up again, helped by the weaker euro. But few expect a stellar performance. Rather, Germany seems likely to persist with more of the sub-par growth that has characterised its economy in recent years. On average, indeed, German growth has lagged that of the rest of the euro-11 countries by almost one percentage point a year since 1995.

The fenian religious idiot part do yeah, that's why grandpa used to make jokes about Irish people, they're literally using the wrong currency.

>15 years ago
>It's 2016 (currentyear.jpg)
>I'm talking about the late 90s...

Regardless, the euro crashing was not intentional, instead the result of said global recession in the early 2000s (likely set off by 9/11 in America). You could have just as easily weakened the deutschmark, by accident or design, and had the same effect.

It isn't anymore. Anyway, no counties but a few drive the global market. Countries just fit into it.

Britain won't leave. Polls have remain in a big lead now.

There is no escaping the new world order.

They aren't going anywhere relax

If the EU was an organisation aimed at actually preserving European ways and culture then I'd actually be on board. As it stands it's such a fucking shambles that I never want to see its like again. It's effectively continental bureaucratic cuckery.

They should go and DESTROY THE EU
What we have now is a shitty germoney rules over all union..

We should be like USA and be protective with 'refugees'

What UK was winning about was that 80% of new workers were from outside UK..

The youth wants to stay and the boomers want to go.
Now surveys show that boomers will vote and only about 25% younger than 30 will vote..

>That bar chart

That's some Liberal Democrat level fuckery right there.

Same here. However the dilema is that a brexit would result in unfettered neo-liberalism in the UK. Europe (attempts) to hold The City in check, which of course the pure neo-liberals resent.

The Entente cordiale is above the EU, we will forever be allies and the krauts can't break that.

> The youth wants to stay and the boomers want to go.

> 25% younger than 30 will vote..

Correction: Boomers will do what the TV tells them too because they honestly have nothing better to do with their day and "Young People" couldn't give less of a fuck

vote out.
honestly, we're getting a shit deal with the EU.
The majority of the funds we pay into the EU flow into Eastern Europe or into EU politicians' pockets.
We could maintain the funding that we are getting from the EU now using our own money and still save millions.

The EU's purposes is to create a capitalist, free market, free trade, single market economy. It was not set up to preserve anything, quite on the contrary.

My problem with the EU is that many EU states have a socialist agenda, and that actually destroys the capitalist free market.

Lads have your poll cards come yet, mine came today

keep a lookout for them

Well pham maybe it's a great deal for you but it is destroying the PIGS having no control of the currency and spain sold a lot of industry to enter it, so you can sell more..

It needs to be killed

Clinton will be unable to influence UK-US relations from a prison cell.

>destroying the PIGS having no control of the currency

Whenever I see this comment, I think "omg, why don't people thing."

Jose, you do know that the devaluation of currency is just an excuse to not reform, right? Essentially, you create the exact same effect by just cutting wages - it is just harder and forces a country to be more capitalist and less socialist.

Or in other words, free floating currencies are loved by leftist politicians so they can still increase wages, while the currency drops in value.

China will abandon the UK if it leaves the EU and will turn to Frankfurt

Absolute untrue fearmongering.

Yes I know we did not reform and it's needed but also we LOST a lot of fucking acquisitive power like something valued 100 pesetas in one day costs 1 euro and not 0,60 but at the same time wages did a perfect change and have not increased a shit in 20 years

What the fuck is this chart? If I'd produce something like that at work I'd be fired for showing my bias.

I mean when the change of coin happened

>1 euro and not 0,60 but at the same time wages did a perfect change and have not increased a shit in 20 years

Inflation is actually very low and has been pretty low for 20 years throughout the EU (at least on average).

That real wages haven't increased is a worldwide effect. It is due to capitalism and has nothing to do with the EU. America has a much bigger poor-rich divided today than 30 years ago and that divided is a lot bigger than in the EU.

To blame the EU for income inequality is just wrong. Blame the EU for bureaucratic shit and red tape and regulation which doesn't do a good job, but do not blame it for income inequality, that isn't in its power to change.

I like Europe. I like Europeans. I hate the EU.

That's it then KILL it pls
Desu.

1 We sold our industry to enter EU
2 The exchange of coin made us loose acquisition power.
The EU may be a good deal to some countries but it's a rip off to mine

Disagree. I have been to Spain a lot. There are areas which are just fucked. You can see the "uncompetitiveness" everywhere, in people's attitudes, in the streets, in the language, in how people dress, ... it's too hot, too dirty, not enough spirit, not enough work work work etc.

If you had not entered the EU, you would be just as bad off, probably worse. You just do not have the spirit of working hard.

>I hope that the UK will still have close ties with France if they really live the union.

Hehe yes we sure have our defects.

But my point remains