AUSFAG here (straightfag, for that matter)

AUSFAG here (straightfag, for that matter)

Need to cast a vote this week. YES or NO for the right for Gay People to get MARRIED.

Take religion out of the equation and it seems like the decent thing to do. But already my straight but cucked friends are threatening to turn their backs on anyone who doesn't vote YES. And the people from the NO camp are claiming that voting YES simply opens the door to a restriction on the right to Free Speech. Most of the Gay people I know aren't even getting involved.

Anyone else have an opinion? I don't want to waste my vote but I also don't know what to do. Should I risk a reduction of my rights by voting them away to a minority group that aren't even being persecuted any more?

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It's not really a reduction in rights tbh. The wankers saying that are just trying to defend their freedom of religion, which they still have.

USA checking in.

Not sure how the laws in Aus work but it sounds like it's even more restrictive than the US usually.

Legalizing gay marriage here opened the door to a bunch of lawsuits against businesses that didn't want to participate in gay weddings. So florists and cake bakers were getting sued for millions because they refused service and it made the gays upset.

Legalizing gay marriage also brought that lifestyle out into the light of day and legitimized it. It's just gotten worse in America ever since. Slippery slope is real, etc, etc.

Vote NO, if friends ask tell them you voted YES
Also consider changing friends because if they would dump you for a single vote they're not real friends.

I'm pro rights, which ever they might be. Pro guns, pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro weed. This life is too short, just let them do their thing.
Also, what would be the restriction on free speech?

Gay ausfag here.

Vote how you want man. I don't care.

Personally, i'm just sick of being used as a pawn in political tactics.

Ausfag business guy here.
At least for Brisbane every wedding orientated business (and yes, every one) is not only rooting for a YES, but is actively planning for it.

We ourselves have all our advertisements ready to go.
Same sex marriage is going to bring a huge economic boon for the first 12 months as couples go and get theirs done.

what would you rather do.

vote yes, because you wanted to vote yes anyways, and feel miffed that your cuck friends would have judged you otherwise.

or vote no just to spite cuck friends and then screw over all the gays cuz your as petty as your cuck friends?

You have the right idea dude, its like who really gives a shit at the end of the day if it makes people happy then why tf not

It's only a survey. Even if the Yes group takes the majority, there still won't be any gay marriage.

What many people don't seem to understand is that free speech, tolerating different opinions, doesn't mean you have to tolerate intolerance.
>that guy wants to have slaves? Who am i to stop him, he has the freedom to do so
>this company doesn't want to serve blacks? Man, i don't want to be intolerant and stop them.
It's comical if you think about it. "Meeeh, that guy doesn't tolerate my intolerance. What an intolerant asshole"

Regarding your vote, there is not only no reason to say no, i think you don't even have the right to vote to deny marriage to homosexual couples. It doesn't concern you, it doesn't affect your life in any way.

That's a fair point I hadn't thought of. Good on you man.

Once they redefine marriage, they'll be pushing to redefine words like 'gender' and demand all 200+ genders be recognised. Bet you a million bucks on it. Give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

>no it didnt, there was one church that got bullied into doing a wedding it didnt want to here in the u.s, and the cake company in the u.k that got taken to court for not agreeing to make a pornographic cake for a gay couple. both cases, even the gay community at large said were fucked up and favored the defense over the prosecution.

>you mean you might now have to hear a male celebrity mention his husband? or the pride festival has a 20% increase of rainbows?

you are a juvenile, gutless group of nasty little shits that dig your heels in on everything you possibly can. you'd piss your own bed if you could find a way to make it unpleasant for somebody else.

An observation though.
If you vote NO you are immediately scum of the earth, uneducated shitcunts who are prejudiced and probably racist as well.

If you vote YES you are a pretentious snowflake gay loving cunt and are ruining Australia with PC culture and are everything toxic with the current generation.

I've heard both. Both sides are really annoying me actually.... But while the YES guys tend to throw insults, the NO guys tend to send death threats and threats of person harm (that will obviously never be acted upon anyway).

I'm still voting yes but I'd really wish we'd be done with it already and everyone (both the YES and the NO) would shut the fuck up and just let everyone vote how they feel about the issue.

i'd be down if they wanted to change the word marriage to union in our law, but they don't, they want to attack Christianity

take your comment, and swap "gays" with "blacks" or "jews" and read it again.

Agreed except on the Pro guns part, but that is a different topic

Didn't think about that, but yeah, there are even economic upsides to it

You know marriage isn't purely a Christian thing, right? You think Buddhists / Jews / Hindus etc don't get married?

>See him cry out as he strikes you.

Seriously though, free speech actually does allow for intolerance. I don't have to like you or your lifestyle. I don't have to participate in said lifestyle. I should have the right to refuse service on any grounds I want and you should have to walk on down the road.

You are not entitled to anyone else's labor or validation. You can't legally force people to like you. Tolerate, yes. Like you, no.

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>marriage
words evolve and take on different meanings over time. in any case, it seems your concern is purely semantics, which somehow manifests into a personal attack on religion. and even if it were so, it would be quite due retribution considering how assbackward the church has been for several millennia.

marriage is by definition christian, no other religion uses that term, if individual people do then they can be as stupid as they like but it doesn't change the etemology

There is a case of a baker who refused to cater a lesbian wedding going before the US Supreme Court as we speak.

By slippery slope I was referring to things like the legalization of non penetrative beastiality in Canada and the slew of articles lately demanding equal rights for pedophiles.

I'm neither nasty nor juvenile, just better informed and more concerned.

Gays are less than 2% of the Australian populatio - and even then, most have no intentions of getting married. What is this "boom" you talk about lmao.

point of fact, words do not change definition. people with twisted views change them to suit there opinions.

>I don't have to like you or your lifestyle. I don't have to participate in said lifestyle.
Yeah, because they will force you to marry John from down the road.

And no, you don't have the right to put up signs like "no service for jews", "no blacks allowed", etc.

Would you force a Muslim baker to cater a Jewish wedding?

Would you force a Jewish baker to bake a swastika cake?

This is why the right to refuse service is important. You are not entitled to another person's labor.

if you don't care about the vote then vote for whatever will keep your country however it is best kept. if you think a more liberal/leftist route is the one to take, take it. personally i would advise against it - as a fellow anglo nation (UK) i have watched my country fall victim to political correctness and mate i have to say, despite the general attitude among leftists than they are morally superior and are charitable and giving, there is no bigger threat in the west right now, simply because they are the only group who can condemn free speech and bully others unpunished.

of course this vote is good for gays whom there is nothing wrong with, but it may lead you down a pathway of misery in the future.

to be fair Christianity is pretty retarded though

OP here:

Thinking of destroying my ballot paper. There's no criminal offense or fine if you fail to vote on this manner.

Would abstaining from a vote benefit either side?

I'm personally sick of having gay rights shoved down my throat for a decade, only to discover that they've had all the rights they need since 2016 EXCEPT for the right to Marry.

I wrote 'bunnings sausage' on mine and drew a picture of a guys dick in a bun

not sure which side it'll count for

I think you'd be surprised how many same sex couples we get having ceremonies even without a legal right to be married.

Maybe every 20 weddings we have 1 will be a same sex couple.

Yeah, that doesn't sound like much. It really doesn't.....
But straight people have been getting married for a long time and meanwhile same sex couples have been building up.... Just waiting to break the banks holding them back from spending all that cash.

Long term, you're right it won't make a huge difference. We're not planning long term, we're planning first 12 months.

But what do I know? I'm just some faggot on the internet.

Vote for whichever makes you feel better about yourself.

I don't really care if fags fuck each other so long as I'm not subjected to hearing about it all the time, so I'd vote no.

Like how if we legalize guns people will demand bombs? Or if you legalize alcohol it leads to crack?

Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling… makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another, I’d rather not choose at all.

Wasn't that one of the arguments against legalizing weed? Or am I mistaken?

Nice strawman faggot

Christianity is allowed to abuse the LGBT with a lack of rights but as soon as they try and have some basic human rights (is marriage really too much to ask for? Its not people are taking rights away from you if you dont like it dont pay attention to it) then the LGBT community are 'attacking Christianity'.

Have you uh... not been watching the news the last ten years?

At least in the US there has absolutely been a huge campaign to redefine gender and attack masculinity.

So when 2 jews join together to form a union, what does the law call it?

this right here.

i love when these bible thumping skeeters try explaining why they can't stand not having absolute control over how other people live because its offensive. they always take the route that there's a big conspiracy that's going to peel the bible from their hands and shit on it in front of their children, which will in turn make their kids gay.

how consenting adults fuck in private and cohabitate shouldnt even need to be legislated i dont think. if theyre both over 18, and they both want to marry, then fine. fuckit. if a dude wants to say hes not a dude anymore, even if its some made up gender without any scientific backing, whatever. Just come to work on time, do your job, and don't be a little shit.

nice irony, faggot

As long as you don't want to force a church to marry you, then go for it.

You should not be able to force, say, a Catholic priest to marry you in a Catholic church because that does infringe on the priest's rights.

>bestiality
>pedophilia

What is the idea of consent?

yes, and probably yes (Swastikas are forbidden here in germany).
You can believe all the crap you want in your private home, when you go out in the open and do buisness you have to be neutral. Iam "entitled" to be treated fair and equal to everyone else. You can't deny service to someone just because you don't like his faith, his gender, his sexualiy or his haircolor.

A bank.

who gives a shit? christianity is degenerate. why is it a 'good' thing to worship some eastern jew who lived 2000 years ago? its just such obvious bullshit.

If you don't like paedophilia, don't pay attention to it. That's your logic

Jewnion

No of course. Anything else is inane. Homosexuality was never "confirmed a natural phenomenon" as many claim, the study was never finalized but that didn't stop people from claiming it proved homosexuality was natural.

Also, homosexuality decays the moral fiber of society. Take a look at the pedophile movement. It's gaining media traction, because the same excuse, "They can't help who they are attracted to" is being used.

Normalizing homosexuality is a slippery slope. Next up is pedophilia, then bestiality, polymarriage, you name it.

Stop the decay now, vote NO.

kosher meats?

Law firm.

Right to refuse service is a libertarian idea.

You donot live in a libertarian society.

vote YES

honestly who cares if gays want to get married? The only people who get ruffled are religious conservatard types and anything that pisses them off is good in my book.

Alcohol is legal and hasn't led to people wanting crack.

Legalising guns has not led to any campaigns to legalise bombs

Your argument was moronic.

C O N S E N T
two consenting adults can do what tf they like as long as they arent hurting anyone
kids cant consent sunshine

I'm Muslim but I'm voting yes because I don't feel offended, everyone in my family is the same. It doesn't affect my day to day life at all. My high school mate came out after highschool and he's the nicest guy who also just became a doctor. I just want him to be happy and not feel ostracised. If I'm free to practice my faith he should be free to marry someone he loves.

Also if someone believes in voting no they shouldn't be scolded or belittled by the yes voters. Everyone should be entitled to their fucking opinion and shouldn't lose their job or friends because of it.

What pisses me off is that it's a waste of 122 million putting it to a vote. It's the politicians fucking job to decide on this shit. This is what our taxes pay for, for them to discuss decisions like this but they don't do shit until they retire on their 200k yearly parliament pension.

See, this is the fucked up way of thinking your brainwashed generation has drilled into your skulls. Sure, slavery is bad, because it makes innocent people suffer. But if I don't want to be around some people, why are you forcing them onto me? Why do I have to put up with bullshit from some people just because you think it should be ok for everyone to be subjected to what they don't like? Put it this way: If you were in a room full of let's say, REAL Nazis, not just people who don't agree with you, how would you feel? Like uncomfortable, like get me out of here, like I don't want to be here with these people. But with your way of thinking, you would have to put up with it, because someone else who has no problem with Nazis said you must be ok with it, or you are an asshole for thinking the way you do. the point is, what you see as intolerance may not actually be intolerance. Maybe you are wrong. But you have been brainwashed to think that, as long as you think or speak along the lines of a certain agenda, you are unquestionably right, infallible, beyond reproach. but NO way of thinking is this concrete, this omnipotent. NONE.

You know whats really masculine? Not worrying about it.

no

"This minoriy wants the same right everyone else has? OUTRAGEOUS."

>they are taking away my right to take away rights from others. Iam oppressed!

Thankyou!

And hey, the business for divorce lawyers just doubled also. Kaching!!!!!!!

The moral fiber argument.

They used that shit to push prohibition on us.

How is this a Free Speech issue?

Besides, I don't see why a vote matters. It should just be taken to the higher courts to be ruled on Federally. I imagine the same reasons that it passed in the U.S. (people's right to vote also allows for people to get legally married).

>Just don't worry about it. No big deal. Just fundamental changes to the nature of your society. Man up and move on.

Shut the fuck up.

Just like gays started to rape children, blood rained from heaven and the anti-christ appeared?


As a Gay: Fuck you. No for real, the minority of gay people support this SJW Shit, because this has nothing to do with LGBT. Those are people destroying the image of normal, hard-working people because they think they deserve any advantage, because they are special.


You know what the LBGT Community wants? Equality, there is no advantage in being allowed to marry another man, it would be an advantage if it would be tax free - like scientology is.

But the moral crusaders of the early 1900s assured me that alcohol was a slippery slope

I would of the impression the advantage in marriage is legal rights. Right to medical decisions, right to property upon death etc?

>"This minoriy wants the same right everyone else has? OUTRAGEOUS."
That's not what he's saying dickhead, he's saying to stop bitching, you have what you want except for marriage. Once you have that, shut the fuck up, you're just like everyone else.

you goddamn homos. just go buttfuckoff and die

Consent doesn't stop pedophiles from existing and carrying out their sexual preferences, sunshine.

no, you're pissing the bed while wearing glasses to make it look smart.

having a relationship with a consenting adult that can say yes or no and make their own informed decisions isn't the same as using an animal as a living, breathing, masturbatory aid.

you have this idea that homosexual couples are just sex-tourists looking for tantalizing, forbidden ways to get their cum out. youre so fixated on the sexual component of a relationship that the notion of a pair of people just being in love and dedicated to one another for the sake of love seems like a crock of shit to you.

if anything, this speaks damming volumes about the nature of your own relationships, even if its Jesus-approved.

because if gays have the same rights and protections as straights they cannot be legally discriminated against, so the backwardass dropbear fuckers equate legal discrimination to free speech, correct or not.

marriage is a legal thing, owned by the state. behind closed doors i don't care if you're into fucking trannies in the ass while having your face fucked by a nutless gimp. that's a human choice. feeling entitled to legal rights, however, is fucking retarded. the right to water, food, air, or even life, is non existent. why the fuck should anyone be entitled to anything?
marriage is just an extension of this.

>You know what the LBGT Community wants? Equality

You already have it, sunshine.

>Just like gays started to rape children, blood rained from heaven and the anti-christ appeared?

kys

Too funny

Vote no.

Fundamental changes? That is the biggest exaggeration of the thread.

kek

because a nation is made for more than seeing who can get biggest money collection.

Yeah but it makes it illegal you fucking moron, two gay people shouldnt be illegal because consent.


sunshine

trouble

Huh, that's pretty bizarre. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Free Speech rights is pretty easy to understand and yet a lot of people just don't get it, or worse, twist it up with unrelated shit like LGBT marriage rights.

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>brainwashed generation
Doesn't know my age. My points are 'less vaild' because iam somehow 'brainwashed' by 'someone' (probably the jews/leftist media). Dude pls stop.

I wouldn't like it if i had to do buisness with nazis, but i would do it. After all, i do the things i do because i need money or like the process. Iam not doing it because i want to fuck my customer. If the nazis behave, pay on time and are decent customers, why should i deny service? Iam not a little bitch that runs away crying from every person they dislike.

Also, your last part makes me think you are having a mental breakdown. Are you ok? Iam sending lots of prayers.

What? Like the catholic priests christianity covers up for?

>arguing over etymology
marriage existed before christianity in all corners of the world. you can nit pick over definitions all you like but its a non argument

lol no they didn't

You seem butthurt.

Ask your boyfriend to go a little easier next time.

A kid isn't a consenting adult you fucking moron
Gay marriage doesn't affect anyone other than the people involved

Tu quoque

Two gay people aren't illegal, sunshine. Nice strawman.

Not surprised. Most repub frat boys have no idea what consent is.

Vote no because the no voters are being slammed by yes supporters. Equal opportunity? Discrimination? It goes both ways.

No shit faggot.

You sure?

ITT: very shrill, upset gays demanding everyone agree with their point of view.

This is why people want to vote no.

Amerifat here, go with what you truly believe you should vote. I don't know how the stigma is there for voting no, but in like 2012 we had the same election and similar issues with people heavily projecting their choice on you. Democracy has its flaws, and this is one of the greatest: peer pressure. There will always be self-righteous fucks kicking and screaming because you don't agree that the vote is as easy as yelling YES to everyone who steps into the polls, but you have a right to be skeptical and indecisive, so go with the option you feel is best, not what others choose.
If you vote no, just don't tell anyone who would care and you're set.

The way I see it is as such: just like here it will get a majority yes vote and people will persecute each other for their own reasons for like 2-6 months, then everyone will forget because their favorite punching-bag-politician just breathed a hair of controversy on TV and now they're all focused on that shit.

It’s only a survey. Write whatever you want on the form. Vote will probably happen later.

ITT: retards whine about morality and depravity to the most corrupt message board of all time.