Need to cast a vote this week. YES or NO for the right for Gay People to get MARRIED.
Take religion out of the equation and it seems like the decent thing to do. But already my straight but cucked friends are threatening to turn their backs on anyone who doesn't vote YES. And the people from the NO camp are claiming that voting YES simply opens the door to a restriction on the right to Free Speech. Most of the Gay people I know aren't even getting involved.
Anyone else have an opinion? I don't want to waste my vote but I also don't know what to do. Should I risk a reduction of my rights by voting them away to a minority group that aren't even being persecuted any more?
Liam Bennett
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Matthew Hill
It's not really a reduction in rights tbh. The wankers saying that are just trying to defend their freedom of religion, which they still have.
Robert Cook
USA checking in.
Not sure how the laws in Aus work but it sounds like it's even more restrictive than the US usually.
Legalizing gay marriage here opened the door to a bunch of lawsuits against businesses that didn't want to participate in gay weddings. So florists and cake bakers were getting sued for millions because they refused service and it made the gays upset.
Legalizing gay marriage also brought that lifestyle out into the light of day and legitimized it. It's just gotten worse in America ever since. Slippery slope is real, etc, etc.
Eli Scott
Vote NO, if friends ask tell them you voted YES Also consider changing friends because if they would dump you for a single vote they're not real friends.
Tyler Watson
I'm pro rights, which ever they might be. Pro guns, pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro weed. This life is too short, just let them do their thing. Also, what would be the restriction on free speech?
Ayden Moore
Gay ausfag here.
Vote how you want man. I don't care.
Personally, i'm just sick of being used as a pawn in political tactics.
Brayden Bailey
Ausfag business guy here. At least for Brisbane every wedding orientated business (and yes, every one) is not only rooting for a YES, but is actively planning for it.
We ourselves have all our advertisements ready to go. Same sex marriage is going to bring a huge economic boon for the first 12 months as couples go and get theirs done.
Dominic Hall
what would you rather do.
vote yes, because you wanted to vote yes anyways, and feel miffed that your cuck friends would have judged you otherwise.
or vote no just to spite cuck friends and then screw over all the gays cuz your as petty as your cuck friends?
Aiden Wilson
You have the right idea dude, its like who really gives a shit at the end of the day if it makes people happy then why tf not
Sebastian Perry
It's only a survey. Even if the Yes group takes the majority, there still won't be any gay marriage.
Brandon Ramirez
What many people don't seem to understand is that free speech, tolerating different opinions, doesn't mean you have to tolerate intolerance. >that guy wants to have slaves? Who am i to stop him, he has the freedom to do so >this company doesn't want to serve blacks? Man, i don't want to be intolerant and stop them. It's comical if you think about it. "Meeeh, that guy doesn't tolerate my intolerance. What an intolerant asshole"
Regarding your vote, there is not only no reason to say no, i think you don't even have the right to vote to deny marriage to homosexual couples. It doesn't concern you, it doesn't affect your life in any way.
Jordan Perry
That's a fair point I hadn't thought of. Good on you man.
Aiden Cook
Once they redefine marriage, they'll be pushing to redefine words like 'gender' and demand all 200+ genders be recognised. Bet you a million bucks on it. Give them an inch, they'll take a mile.
Justin Perez
>no it didnt, there was one church that got bullied into doing a wedding it didnt want to here in the u.s, and the cake company in the u.k that got taken to court for not agreeing to make a pornographic cake for a gay couple. both cases, even the gay community at large said were fucked up and favored the defense over the prosecution.
>you mean you might now have to hear a male celebrity mention his husband? or the pride festival has a 20% increase of rainbows?
you are a juvenile, gutless group of nasty little shits that dig your heels in on everything you possibly can. you'd piss your own bed if you could find a way to make it unpleasant for somebody else.
Carson Hall
An observation though. If you vote NO you are immediately scum of the earth, uneducated shitcunts who are prejudiced and probably racist as well.
If you vote YES you are a pretentious snowflake gay loving cunt and are ruining Australia with PC culture and are everything toxic with the current generation.
I've heard both. Both sides are really annoying me actually.... But while the YES guys tend to throw insults, the NO guys tend to send death threats and threats of person harm (that will obviously never be acted upon anyway).
I'm still voting yes but I'd really wish we'd be done with it already and everyone (both the YES and the NO) would shut the fuck up and just let everyone vote how they feel about the issue.
Jacob Morgan
i'd be down if they wanted to change the word marriage to union in our law, but they don't, they want to attack Christianity
Oliver Phillips
take your comment, and swap "gays" with "blacks" or "jews" and read it again.
Agreed except on the Pro guns part, but that is a different topic
Didn't think about that, but yeah, there are even economic upsides to it
Evan Bell
You know marriage isn't purely a Christian thing, right? You think Buddhists / Jews / Hindus etc don't get married?
Thomas Davis
>See him cry out as he strikes you.
Seriously though, free speech actually does allow for intolerance. I don't have to like you or your lifestyle. I don't have to participate in said lifestyle. I should have the right to refuse service on any grounds I want and you should have to walk on down the road.
You are not entitled to anyone else's labor or validation. You can't legally force people to like you. Tolerate, yes. Like you, no.
Christian Martin
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Gavin Mitchell
>marriage words evolve and take on different meanings over time. in any case, it seems your concern is purely semantics, which somehow manifests into a personal attack on religion. and even if it were so, it would be quite due retribution considering how assbackward the church has been for several millennia.
Dylan Reed
marriage is by definition christian, no other religion uses that term, if individual people do then they can be as stupid as they like but it doesn't change the etemology
Kevin Hughes
There is a case of a baker who refused to cater a lesbian wedding going before the US Supreme Court as we speak.
By slippery slope I was referring to things like the legalization of non penetrative beastiality in Canada and the slew of articles lately demanding equal rights for pedophiles.
I'm neither nasty nor juvenile, just better informed and more concerned.
David Nguyen
Gays are less than 2% of the Australian populatio - and even then, most have no intentions of getting married. What is this "boom" you talk about lmao.
David Phillips
point of fact, words do not change definition. people with twisted views change them to suit there opinions.
James Williams
>I don't have to like you or your lifestyle. I don't have to participate in said lifestyle. Yeah, because they will force you to marry John from down the road.
And no, you don't have the right to put up signs like "no service for jews", "no blacks allowed", etc.
Colton Adams
Would you force a Muslim baker to cater a Jewish wedding?
Would you force a Jewish baker to bake a swastika cake?
This is why the right to refuse service is important. You are not entitled to another person's labor.
Michael Peterson
if you don't care about the vote then vote for whatever will keep your country however it is best kept. if you think a more liberal/leftist route is the one to take, take it. personally i would advise against it - as a fellow anglo nation (UK) i have watched my country fall victim to political correctness and mate i have to say, despite the general attitude among leftists than they are morally superior and are charitable and giving, there is no bigger threat in the west right now, simply because they are the only group who can condemn free speech and bully others unpunished.
of course this vote is good for gays whom there is nothing wrong with, but it may lead you down a pathway of misery in the future.
Austin Cooper
to be fair Christianity is pretty retarded though
Bentley Phillips
OP here:
Thinking of destroying my ballot paper. There's no criminal offense or fine if you fail to vote on this manner.
Would abstaining from a vote benefit either side?
I'm personally sick of having gay rights shoved down my throat for a decade, only to discover that they've had all the rights they need since 2016 EXCEPT for the right to Marry.
Kevin Lee
I wrote 'bunnings sausage' on mine and drew a picture of a guys dick in a bun
not sure which side it'll count for
Mason Sanders
I think you'd be surprised how many same sex couples we get having ceremonies even without a legal right to be married.
Maybe every 20 weddings we have 1 will be a same sex couple.
Yeah, that doesn't sound like much. It really doesn't..... But straight people have been getting married for a long time and meanwhile same sex couples have been building up.... Just waiting to break the banks holding them back from spending all that cash.
Long term, you're right it won't make a huge difference. We're not planning long term, we're planning first 12 months.
But what do I know? I'm just some faggot on the internet.
Lucas Butler
Vote for whichever makes you feel better about yourself.
I don't really care if fags fuck each other so long as I'm not subjected to hearing about it all the time, so I'd vote no.
Cameron Rivera
Like how if we legalize guns people will demand bombs? Or if you legalize alcohol it leads to crack?
Nicholas Howard
Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling… makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another, I’d rather not choose at all.
Elijah Edwards
Wasn't that one of the arguments against legalizing weed? Or am I mistaken?
Ayden White
Nice strawman faggot
Julian Cruz
Christianity is allowed to abuse the LGBT with a lack of rights but as soon as they try and have some basic human rights (is marriage really too much to ask for? Its not people are taking rights away from you if you dont like it dont pay attention to it) then the LGBT community are 'attacking Christianity'.
Logan Ramirez
Have you uh... not been watching the news the last ten years?
At least in the US there has absolutely been a huge campaign to redefine gender and attack masculinity.
Gavin Rivera
So when 2 jews join together to form a union, what does the law call it?
Kevin Rodriguez
this right here.
i love when these bible thumping skeeters try explaining why they can't stand not having absolute control over how other people live because its offensive. they always take the route that there's a big conspiracy that's going to peel the bible from their hands and shit on it in front of their children, which will in turn make their kids gay.
how consenting adults fuck in private and cohabitate shouldnt even need to be legislated i dont think. if theyre both over 18, and they both want to marry, then fine. fuckit. if a dude wants to say hes not a dude anymore, even if its some made up gender without any scientific backing, whatever. Just come to work on time, do your job, and don't be a little shit.
Xavier Evans
nice irony, faggot
Jose Anderson
As long as you don't want to force a church to marry you, then go for it.
You should not be able to force, say, a Catholic priest to marry you in a Catholic church because that does infringe on the priest's rights.
Jaxon Moore
>bestiality >pedophilia
What is the idea of consent?
Blake Cooper
yes, and probably yes (Swastikas are forbidden here in germany). You can believe all the crap you want in your private home, when you go out in the open and do buisness you have to be neutral. Iam "entitled" to be treated fair and equal to everyone else. You can't deny service to someone just because you don't like his faith, his gender, his sexualiy or his haircolor.
Leo Reyes
A bank.
Alexander Cox
who gives a shit? christianity is degenerate. why is it a 'good' thing to worship some eastern jew who lived 2000 years ago? its just such obvious bullshit.
Matthew Rivera
If you don't like paedophilia, don't pay attention to it. That's your logic
Luke Green
Jewnion
Mason Edwards
No of course. Anything else is inane. Homosexuality was never "confirmed a natural phenomenon" as many claim, the study was never finalized but that didn't stop people from claiming it proved homosexuality was natural.
Also, homosexuality decays the moral fiber of society. Take a look at the pedophile movement. It's gaining media traction, because the same excuse, "They can't help who they are attracted to" is being used.
Normalizing homosexuality is a slippery slope. Next up is pedophilia, then bestiality, polymarriage, you name it.
Stop the decay now, vote NO.
Levi Long
kosher meats?
Jose Brooks
Law firm.
Hunter Torres
Right to refuse service is a libertarian idea.
You donot live in a libertarian society.
Gabriel Moore
vote YES
honestly who cares if gays want to get married? The only people who get ruffled are religious conservatard types and anything that pisses them off is good in my book.
Landon Mitchell
Alcohol is legal and hasn't led to people wanting crack.
Legalising guns has not led to any campaigns to legalise bombs
Your argument was moronic.
Nolan Lopez
C O N S E N T two consenting adults can do what tf they like as long as they arent hurting anyone kids cant consent sunshine
Mason Campbell
I'm Muslim but I'm voting yes because I don't feel offended, everyone in my family is the same. It doesn't affect my day to day life at all. My high school mate came out after highschool and he's the nicest guy who also just became a doctor. I just want him to be happy and not feel ostracised. If I'm free to practice my faith he should be free to marry someone he loves.
Also if someone believes in voting no they shouldn't be scolded or belittled by the yes voters. Everyone should be entitled to their fucking opinion and shouldn't lose their job or friends because of it.
What pisses me off is that it's a waste of 122 million putting it to a vote. It's the politicians fucking job to decide on this shit. This is what our taxes pay for, for them to discuss decisions like this but they don't do shit until they retire on their 200k yearly parliament pension.
Nolan Walker
See, this is the fucked up way of thinking your brainwashed generation has drilled into your skulls. Sure, slavery is bad, because it makes innocent people suffer. But if I don't want to be around some people, why are you forcing them onto me? Why do I have to put up with bullshit from some people just because you think it should be ok for everyone to be subjected to what they don't like? Put it this way: If you were in a room full of let's say, REAL Nazis, not just people who don't agree with you, how would you feel? Like uncomfortable, like get me out of here, like I don't want to be here with these people. But with your way of thinking, you would have to put up with it, because someone else who has no problem with Nazis said you must be ok with it, or you are an asshole for thinking the way you do. the point is, what you see as intolerance may not actually be intolerance. Maybe you are wrong. But you have been brainwashed to think that, as long as you think or speak along the lines of a certain agenda, you are unquestionably right, infallible, beyond reproach. but NO way of thinking is this concrete, this omnipotent. NONE.
Nathan Barnes
You know whats really masculine? Not worrying about it.
Ian Diaz
no
"This minoriy wants the same right everyone else has? OUTRAGEOUS."
>they are taking away my right to take away rights from others. Iam oppressed!
Cooper Baker
Thankyou!
Jack Bailey
And hey, the business for divorce lawyers just doubled also. Kaching!!!!!!!
Colton Sanchez
The moral fiber argument.
They used that shit to push prohibition on us.
Alexander Flores
How is this a Free Speech issue?
Besides, I don't see why a vote matters. It should just be taken to the higher courts to be ruled on Federally. I imagine the same reasons that it passed in the U.S. (people's right to vote also allows for people to get legally married).
Aiden Russell
>Just don't worry about it. No big deal. Just fundamental changes to the nature of your society. Man up and move on.
Shut the fuck up.
Isaac Brown
Just like gays started to rape children, blood rained from heaven and the anti-christ appeared?
As a Gay: Fuck you. No for real, the minority of gay people support this SJW Shit, because this has nothing to do with LGBT. Those are people destroying the image of normal, hard-working people because they think they deserve any advantage, because they are special.
You know what the LBGT Community wants? Equality, there is no advantage in being allowed to marry another man, it would be an advantage if it would be tax free - like scientology is.
Joshua Sullivan
But the moral crusaders of the early 1900s assured me that alcohol was a slippery slope
Jaxson Moore
I would of the impression the advantage in marriage is legal rights. Right to medical decisions, right to property upon death etc?
Angel Sanders
>"This minoriy wants the same right everyone else has? OUTRAGEOUS." That's not what he's saying dickhead, he's saying to stop bitching, you have what you want except for marriage. Once you have that, shut the fuck up, you're just like everyone else.
Joshua Watson
you goddamn homos. just go buttfuckoff and die
Ian Myers
Consent doesn't stop pedophiles from existing and carrying out their sexual preferences, sunshine.
Robert King
no, you're pissing the bed while wearing glasses to make it look smart.
having a relationship with a consenting adult that can say yes or no and make their own informed decisions isn't the same as using an animal as a living, breathing, masturbatory aid.
you have this idea that homosexual couples are just sex-tourists looking for tantalizing, forbidden ways to get their cum out. youre so fixated on the sexual component of a relationship that the notion of a pair of people just being in love and dedicated to one another for the sake of love seems like a crock of shit to you.
if anything, this speaks damming volumes about the nature of your own relationships, even if its Jesus-approved.
Bentley Reyes
because if gays have the same rights and protections as straights they cannot be legally discriminated against, so the backwardass dropbear fuckers equate legal discrimination to free speech, correct or not.
Owen James
marriage is a legal thing, owned by the state. behind closed doors i don't care if you're into fucking trannies in the ass while having your face fucked by a nutless gimp. that's a human choice. feeling entitled to legal rights, however, is fucking retarded. the right to water, food, air, or even life, is non existent. why the fuck should anyone be entitled to anything? marriage is just an extension of this.
Andrew Morris
>You know what the LBGT Community wants? Equality
You already have it, sunshine.
>Just like gays started to rape children, blood rained from heaven and the anti-christ appeared?
kys
David Bailey
Too funny
Noah Bell
Vote no.
Jack Ward
Fundamental changes? That is the biggest exaggeration of the thread.
William Powell
kek
Christopher Parker
because a nation is made for more than seeing who can get biggest money collection.
Noah Long
Yeah but it makes it illegal you fucking moron, two gay people shouldnt be illegal because consent.
sunshine
Dominic Howard
trouble
Kevin Morris
Huh, that's pretty bizarre. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Free Speech rights is pretty easy to understand and yet a lot of people just don't get it, or worse, twist it up with unrelated shit like LGBT marriage rights.
Blake Robinson
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William Richardson
>brainwashed generation Doesn't know my age. My points are 'less vaild' because iam somehow 'brainwashed' by 'someone' (probably the jews/leftist media). Dude pls stop.
I wouldn't like it if i had to do buisness with nazis, but i would do it. After all, i do the things i do because i need money or like the process. Iam not doing it because i want to fuck my customer. If the nazis behave, pay on time and are decent customers, why should i deny service? Iam not a little bitch that runs away crying from every person they dislike.
Also, your last part makes me think you are having a mental breakdown. Are you ok? Iam sending lots of prayers.
Juan Lewis
What? Like the catholic priests christianity covers up for?
Easton Adams
>arguing over etymology marriage existed before christianity in all corners of the world. you can nit pick over definitions all you like but its a non argument
Jayden Green
lol no they didn't
Ayden Mitchell
You seem butthurt.
Ask your boyfriend to go a little easier next time.
Nathaniel Harris
A kid isn't a consenting adult you fucking moron Gay marriage doesn't affect anyone other than the people involved
Blake Gray
Tu quoque
Two gay people aren't illegal, sunshine. Nice strawman.
Isaac Wilson
Not surprised. Most repub frat boys have no idea what consent is.
Cooper Ortiz
Vote no because the no voters are being slammed by yes supporters. Equal opportunity? Discrimination? It goes both ways.
William Cook
No shit faggot.
Noah Carter
You sure?
Ryder Gonzalez
ITT: very shrill, upset gays demanding everyone agree with their point of view.
This is why people want to vote no.
Nolan Smith
Amerifat here, go with what you truly believe you should vote. I don't know how the stigma is there for voting no, but in like 2012 we had the same election and similar issues with people heavily projecting their choice on you. Democracy has its flaws, and this is one of the greatest: peer pressure. There will always be self-righteous fucks kicking and screaming because you don't agree that the vote is as easy as yelling YES to everyone who steps into the polls, but you have a right to be skeptical and indecisive, so go with the option you feel is best, not what others choose. If you vote no, just don't tell anyone who would care and you're set.
The way I see it is as such: just like here it will get a majority yes vote and people will persecute each other for their own reasons for like 2-6 months, then everyone will forget because their favorite punching-bag-politician just breathed a hair of controversy on TV and now they're all focused on that shit.
Joseph Gutierrez
It’s only a survey. Write whatever you want on the form. Vote will probably happen later.
Austin Ward
ITT: retards whine about morality and depravity to the most corrupt message board of all time.