Question for Conservacucks

If life isn't fair and that's why the rich are allowed to have everything and the poor should be grateful for having shit lives, then why is it wrong for immigrants to come into your countries and take your shit? After all, life isn't fair, right? You can't just argue might makes right, then backpedal when it doesn't work in your favor. Either might makes right or it doesn't.
>Muh guns will stop it!
Then why didn't they? America has more third world immigrants than all of Europe combined.

Basically, if your argument is that life isn't fair, why are you bitching that things aren't going your way?

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Incoherent post. Life is unfair- that's why we can report children and sink refugee boats. When the humanitarians complain- we say "deal with it". The rationale is the same as the one justifying wealth inequality.

C'mon man, this is Reactionary Thought 101 level stuff.

>report children

Meant deport children.

If you're okay with life being unfair though, why bitch about immigration at all?

what and edgy viewpoint

We're not nihilists you dumbass.

You are not nihilist*

I speak for all racists.

What difference does that make? If you were going to fight to keep them out, that would be one thing. Do it. Don't bitch about it. But you whiny shits are constantly bitching about what duh ebul gubmint is doing, then trying to claim that "deal with it" should be philosophy of the poor when the rich fuck them over. Where's the difference?

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>Incoherent post

Just because you cannot comprehend something doesn't mean it's not coherent.

>responding on topic to an "incoherent" post

Just because we dismiss some grievances doesn't mean we dismiss them all. Some things are worth complaining about. Some are not. That is the nature of disagreements.

So in other words, you're a hypocrite who only dismisses "injustice" when it doesn't affect you personally. Got it.

Damn, Sup Forums is actually making me more liberal. At least liberal arguments are retarded, but could be tweaked to make sense. Conservashit arguments are literally all just "I don't care about anyone who isn't me."

I never mentioned justice. "Justice" is usually PC weasel word.

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This thread is about fairness. Nobody gives a shit what you like calling it. Either it's not okay for things to be unfair, or it is and you have to deal with it just like anyone else.

Any anti-immigration stance is indeed contradictory to free market ideals.

It's actually quite hilarious. Lolberts at some point realized how hard society would get fucked from letting shitskins in so they tried to rationalize closed borders into their ideology, instead of simply admitting that it's a shit ideology.

You have different variants of this
- Molyneux, ie "We only need closed borders because of the welfare state"
- Rothbard, ie "No see if the land is privatized we can just keep the shitskins out on property grounds"
- Hoppe, ie "REMOVE ALL SHITSKINS AND DEGENERATES AND COMMUNISTS AND HOMOSEXUALS AGAINST THEIR WILL YES THIS IS PERFECTLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE NAP NO I AM NOT A CRYPTO-MONARCHIST"

But aside from these contradictory fuckheads the vast majority of lolberts and ancraps still advocate open borders. You'll just never hear about those on Sup Forums because the lolberts realize if they tolerated immigration they wouldn't be welcome anymore.

There comes a point in your life when you realize that reflexively putting others ahead of yourself only causes you to be behind others.

Fuck everybody else, what's mine is mine and you can't have it because it's all I've got left.

Nice b8 picture. All of those 7 arguments/explanations of socialism are bullshit. While the explanation of the capitalism is more true near the actual content of what is being explained.

>Any anti-immigration stance is indeed contradictory to free market ideals.
Of course it is. The truth is, ALL capitalists are hypocrites because anyone who values materialism and greed over all can't realistically be expected to be morally consistent. Capitalists LOVE free markets when it's benefiting them. And they fucking HATE free markets when they lose money on them.

>instead of simply admitting that it's a shit ideology.
Everyone does this. The world is full of retarded assholes.

>You'll just never hear about those on Sup Forums because the lolberts realize if they tolerated immigration they wouldn't be welcome anymore.
Oh you used to. Rather frequently, before Sup Forums became a right-wing echo chamber.

Enjoy those Mexicans (they believe the same thing - and they're winning, not you).

Hilariously, this. It's obviously just pic related. Except it backfired in this instance.

>Either... Or....

Fairness is unfair. Deal with it.

Took The B8
Immigrants make my live shittier
Rich people dont make hte porrs life shittier

Dafuk does this even mean?

>Immigrants make my live shittier
So what? Life isn't fair.

>Rich people dont make hte porrs life shittier
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLSHIT.

Socialism is the economic equivalent of gang-rape.

>You're pretty, and I want to fuck you but you won't let me, so my buddies and I have decided we're all going to fuck you by force.
>You're rich, and I want your money but you won't give me your money, so my buddies and I have decided we're all going to take your money by force.

Just because life is unfair doesn't mean I can't be angry when bad things happen

Pseudo-intellectual garbage.

They make my life shittier and yet i should welcome them?

Arent the immigrants just taking up the jobs from the jobless lefties who all beg for jobs and welfare? I know I'd rather hire a Mexican than a degenerate.

>BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLSHIT.
not an argument

>people making money makes my life worse because i feel bad about what a loser i am

LOL, the mind of a leftist everyone

Not defending socialism, but that picture was just so awfully bad. Just some text that means nothing and 3 black and white pictures. ooh uuh ahh ahh vittu mä laukeen hmhmhmhhmm aaahhh ei vittuutugu u tuut u

> and they're winning, not you).
Well I guess we're just going to have to wait and see how things turn out won't we?
Feel free to bet on the Mexicans if history shows us anything it's that they have a history of coming out on top when it comes to competing with angry white people!
:^)

In many cases, the money that the rich owns, is literally made by the poor. ebin bagina benis xD

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>Socialism is the economic equivalent of gang-rape.
No it's not, you retarded faggot. Go learn the definition of it.

Correct. But you don't have the right to say that poor people have to "deal with" being poor because life is unfair, but you're entitled to change that helps your countrymen and keeps out immigrants. If life is unfair and others have to deal with it, then so do you.

The rich have made my life shittier since the 90s. Why should I tolerate them?

Okay, how about this: the modern global economic collapse. I'm sure it had nothing to do with bankers and corporations riddled with corruption who bought all the governments of the world.

>A red herring / strawman combo
Conservashits, people.

I'd love to see your plutocrat superhero send back 40 million Mexicans. Now what exactly - and let's be honest here - do you think the chances of that happening are?

"Life isn't fair" is a liberal talking point. People who do nothing should be grateful for charity given to them. Nobody is arguing against legal immigrants either. That's another misguided notion liberals seem to have. "But it's a stupid law!?!" So is not being able to kill brain dead liberals. Vote to change it if that's what you really want. Oh wait... YOU CAN'T

>The rich have made my life shittier since the 90s. Why should I tolerate them?
How?

>Okay, how about this: the modern global economic collapse. I'm sure it had nothing to do with bankers and corporations riddled with corruption who bought all the governments of the world.
That's still not an argument, how do rich people make peoples lives shittier, barring hypothetical global economic collapse, because that's unlikely.

>The rich have made my life shittier since the 90s

Hahahahhaah what a fucking loser you are, try getting a job or actually learn to do something useful. If you can't perform the most necessary function to take care of yourself you deserve to starve

Border enforcement is consistent with plutocracy. How else was I supposed to argue that?

Lucas Entertainment makes good porn. Got more?

>In many cases, the money that the rich owns, is literally made by the poor
Why will no conservacuck acknowledge this fact? They all pretend the money of the rich was all voluntarily surrendered to them and everyone got something great in return, when that's complete bullshit. People didn't shop at Walmart out of their concern for Sam Walton. They did it because they have to fucking eat to live and he had the lowest prices and had the power to jew all other stores. Now we're stuck with the monopoly. And the capitalist response is, well people should have spent more and shopped extra, as if the people are supposed to police the rich 24/7 when they have jobs to work and children to fucking raise.

>How?
How haven't they? They destroyed the environment AND environmentalism, they turned all media to shit, they broke the economy and lobbied incessantly to keep wages suppressed as the cost of everything kept rising, they imported millions of illegals into the country and prevented them from being deported? How long you have?

>The immigrants have made my country shittier since the 90s
HAHAHAHA what a fucking loser, can't you pick fruit for $2/hour. What a fucking pussy. It's like you don't even support capitalism, you fucking commie.

You've convinced me, we can ship little welfare sucking losers like you to Mexico and we'll keep the immigrants. Either way somebody is building that wall LOL. In Mexico they might teach you how to work if you're at the end of a machete.

You're confusing rich and, memes aside, jews.
Soros funds so much stupid shit it's not even funny, you should look into the type of shit just that fuck invests in.

Nah that's a Sup Forums meme. Sup Forums doesn't even grasp the true nature of the jews in the ruin of the world. Everyone rich is good to Sup Forums unless they're a kike. Meanwhile, most of the most vocal shitheads here worship the jewish god unironically and think they're big redpilled shit for doing so. Rich White traitors have done infinitely more damage to the West than the jews ever could.

>Soros
Oh boy here we go with "only the jewish rich are bad". And I suppose Soros made his wealth on "Socialism", right?

>you should look into the type of shit just that fuck invests in.
So in other words, you hate George Soros for being a capitalist, but nobody else. Sup Forums is bluepilled as shit nowadays. Sickening.

It is apparent that when people say "life isn't fair," they mean "you are not entitled to equality of outcome."

The rich are allowed to have *their wealth* and the poor *are not allowed to have the wealth of the rich* because one is entitled to their wealth based on some certain agreed-upon mechanisms: wage, investment, profits, etc. "Might" is not one of these, and is in fact a vague word.

Fundamental, gut disagreement with illegal immigration comes naturally from an extension of the property relationship to allocate the United States as the "property" so to speak of its citizens, which they contribute to and maintain through certain mechanisms (taxes etc.) and non-US citizens may become a part of through certain mechanisms (migration process, green card etc.)

None of these have anything to do with "fairness" or "might makes right."

You may disagree with these ideas, mechanisms, and channels of legal activity--that one is entitled to equality of outcome, that one is not entitled to their wealth, that nations are not allowed to have borders. Capitalism is in fact, not the default. The default is ideological void. You could in theory convince people to trade capitalism for socialism. But you face two steep obstacles: one, your complete and utter lack of persuasive power whatever; and two, the fact that no socialist/communist nation has survived to the present day.

This is of course why you decided to be a little shithead on Sup Forums. Because you can't convince anyone else of your socialist fairy tale.

>"The rich have made my life shittier since the 90s."

It appears that you have zero inner locus of control, seeing as you blame everyone else for every single one of your problems.

All of the other NEETs on Sup Forums have been greatly inspired by the success, wealth, and masculinity of Donald Trump. You have doubled down on your sense of entitlement to the labor of others. This is the difference between conservatives and socialists.

I don't hate Soros for using capitalism to his advantage, let him do it, but the movements and shit he supports are stuff I don't agree with. Nice strawman, also assuming I think he got his money via socialism.

t. Soros shill

>Everyone rich is good to Sup Forums unless they're a kike

Been here since 2012, you made the one of the most accurate observations concerning this board. I really really hate the rich dinduism, one can be a conservative/capitalist without holding rich as sacrosanct

meant for this shill

>rich dinduism
Rich dinduism is the absolute most cancerous aspect of not just this board, but conservatism in general.

>but the movements and shit he supports are stuff I don't agree with
Who are you to say what he can do with his money? You'd do the same thing if you had it. Life isn't fair.

>Nice strawman, also assuming I think he got his money via
You and everyone else on this bullshit board. So what's the problem then? Why does everyone hate Soros? Does Sup Forums think it should be allowed to tell him what he can and can't do with his money? What are you, fucking commies?

>Who are you to say what he can do with his money? You'd do the same thing if you had it. Life isn't fair
Are you fucking retarded? What part of "I don't agree with the stuff he supports" do you not understand? I literally said "Let him use capitalism to his advantage".

Is this b8

The point isn't that the poor have to deal with such, it's that their is a way out of poverty in capitalism, but everyone is poor in a socialistic state

>it's that their is a way out of poverty in capitalism
Not for most of those born poor. Capitalism is basically a caste system with extremely limited class mobility.

>but everyone is poor in a socialistic state
Not necessarily. To be fair, the only places you find truly free market capitalism are in lawless slums.

You're an idiot. The Conservashit argument is that capitalism has objectively created far more prosperity than any central planning and that a little inequality is a perfectly acceptable side effect.

Don't necessarily disagree, but there are always ways to help yourself, in and out of poverty. At least you can construct s sentence amigo : ^ )

>a little inequality
Kek America ranks like a third world country on income inequality.

>but there are always ways to help yourself, in and out of poverty
Yes, they're just ALL SHIT for the poor and nobody cares. Not even liberals really, because most of them are middle class or richer. This is why I can't comprehend why people think the poor are supposed to not only no kill the rich, but WILLINGLY support their system. Why play a rigged fucking game? The fact is, if you're born poor you have nothing but shit choices. You can either stay poor for life or spend your entire life crawling out of poverty and chaining yourself to the wheel of corporatism, which will grind your life to dust, or pray for some miracle. Whereas if you're born even middle class, the outcome is an entire world of difference.

Third in the world on income inequality and it's still nearly impossible to starve. What is your point.

>it's still nearly impossible to starve
And why is that? It's certainly not the way conservashits want it. This country has vast resources. There is literally no reason for us to not be an offworld superpower by now. Except that we have to keep feeding the rich the majority of any prosperity we create.

Count your blessings burger, you could have zero inequality like us, since none of us have any money.

That's the same for Argentina, Uruguay or Chile. What is your point.

Poor people in the US are richer.

Personally, I don't have any money, so I'm not gaining shit. If you make more than $30k a year, you're doing better than most Americans.

washingtonsblog.com/2015/10/goodbye-middle-class-51-percent-of-all-american-workers-make-less-than-30000-dollars-a-year.html

What evidence do you have of this?

Not really no. I know many people from here who live in USA pretty easy.

Do I have of what? That our society would be much less fucked and no longer spiraling into third world status without the depredations of the rich? How about literally every single aspect of reality? America has one of the largest landmasses and one of the largest tracts of agricultural land on Earth, for starters. And technology wise? Consider this: Germany went from a third world shithole to literally creating the beginnings of space technology in about a decade. America, on the other hand is only now managing to fucking land century old German rocket technology and thinks it's an amazing achievement. It's not. It's pathetic. And HILARIOUSLY even THAT is only possible due to Elon Musk sucking the government tit for tax dollars (but let's ignore that part because it's inconvenient for capitalist rhetoric). The vast majority of waste and destruction going on in this country was caused by the rich. YES. It fucking was. And continuing to deny this will only give us more of the same - the constant slip into third world status to feed the pigs at the top at the public trough.

The only reason the first world exists in the first place is because of capitalism.

One thing that is making me really happy, is that the sun is going to die some day. This shit will end. I will personally make sure that no human will ever move away from the tellus, we must all die. :-)

This really is something Genghis Khan would say, he would be proud of you for putting it so poetically

Favelas have capitalism. How come the third world isn't like what the West USED to be?