Is homosexuality a trait that someone is born with? Do a person's genes doom them to be homosexual?
Or, is homosexuality a lifestyle that is deliberately chosen? Does a person make the conscious decision to be homosexual?
Basically, is it voluntary or involuntary?
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Do you voluntarily get a boner when you see a pair of exposed tits?
Completely voluntary. You know in this worthless PC culture that if a gay gene existed scientists would have found it by now.
I voluntarily stare.
You could stare at a dick and if you don't get erect you're not gay. Do you voluntarily get erect when you stare at tits? Just use your fucking brain. People that think its voluntary are weirdos who "chased the gay away" at some conversion camp.
I am heterosexual and don't. Probably because I'm not 14 anymore.
Homosexuality makes your life as a heterosexual man easier. Be glad and wish for more homosexuals.
In my opinion it's most likely the way one's raised. Kids with little to no masculine role models or father figures are probably more likely to end up gay, and I don't blame the gays themselves for that.
>only 14-year-olds fetishize tits
Nah. Almost all Western men do. But you're not heterosexual if you don't get an erection at all around women. So you're just dodging my question and its point. Do you voluntarily get an erection around women? If you don't get one at all, you're not heterosexual.
It's both, but the nurture side has been made taboo to discuss for political reasons.
The actual breakdown is probably like 75% genetics, 25% environment. There is a reason you see a trend of homosexuality in molested children. External factors in developing children almost certainly affect their sexuality it's just a hard thing to study.
69% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Where's your empirical evidence from peer-reviewed scientists and scholarly articles, memefriend? Help me know this isn't propaganda because I'm on fucking Sup Forums
its a fetish, nothing more.
And I thought liberals were the ones spouting unscientific bullshit. Tell me more about your fetish for dicks, you seem to understand it.
I'm gonna tie you to a chair naked and have a twink boy grind on your dick.
If you involuntarily get an erection, you are GAY according to your fine logic.
theres also another theory OP. That a person neither chooses to be gay OR is born gay, but BECOMES gay through environment while still in child development. Its theorized certain traumatic or repeated events can create this, such as being molested, being raised by feminists/lesbians/cold and distant mother/no father figure or worse.
[citation needed]
Being attracted to men is fine, but killing your bloodline because of muh dick is selfish and cruel to your family and legacy and yet this is never brought up when discussing homosexuals.
Any faggots want to answer?
Don't ask t his question on Sup Forums. Real life scientists don't know the answer and Sup Forums sure as fuck is just going to make up any answer it wants from your cat makes you gay to homosex being a rebellion against baby Jesus.
Desperate try there. False equivalence. That's stimulation. Men will get erections from puppies sitting on their dicks. It's not the same thing. If you get an erection around a woman just staring at her, and not men, is it voluntary? Don't dance around it this time, be intellectually honest. Nice fetish too weirdo.
That's only a valid argument if you're an only child. Besides, what's so great about our bloodline that it needs to be passed on?
It doesn't matter. It's harmful for you and society and if you have that attraction you should abstain. You'll be a much happier person for it.
Mine's pretty great. Yours can die out if you take that little pride in it.
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He said probably for a reason senpai.
>harmful to society
Yeah, and I'm the fucking Queer of England.
>Basically, is it voluntary or involuntary?
Honestly, it can probably be either.
But regardless, it is a mental illness that should not be celebrated, just like trannies.
Yeah, but's whats so great about it?
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Study shows that twins separated at birth tend to both be homosexual.
This is actually true when it comes to this topic.
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Yes, it is voluntary. Ever been on a nude beach? Of course not, you're American. How many straight guys will you see there with erections? Hint: next to none.
Homosexuality isn't directly heritable.
The attraction is probably still not voluntary though.
You seem to be getting pretty butt blasted, maybe you misunderstood what he said, its really nothing to get upset about m8.
I would say 25% nature 75% nurture
It was just my opinion senpai. I think the common scientific opinion is that it is 100% nature, but there is a strong political taboo around considering that it may be environmental; and psychology is a science of political leftists.
This stuff is just my opinion on the matter. I haven't researched this extensively.
Easy. My grandfather survived the Korean War. My other grandfather singlehandedly homesteaded and built a tremendous farm. My father survived 12 years in the military. I'm sorry your bloodline is filled with cucks, but mine has been hardy and survived for centuries now, with ancestors who fought in the revolutionary war against the british.
No, it isn't. You are choosing to exclude your genes from future generations because you get a tickle in your pee pee when you see Brad Pitt.
An argument that your sister or brother's genes will pass down is irrelevant. Those are different genes. Closer than a stranger's, but still different.
Try harder.
Why does it matter? I mind my own business.
I never got a boner, but I remember being as young as 6 years old and being mesmerized by magazine covers that showed women in bikinis
You're born on a scale of -1.0 to 1.0, 1 being extremely gay and -1.0 being extremely straight. this is due to hormones in the mother's body during child development and genetics
your upbringing (parents, peers, family members, exposure to pop culture, being sexually abused as a child) all contributes to pull you closer to one side or the other as you grow up and reach puberty
Ayyy
Homosexuality is so 20th Century, O.P.
It's 2016, and it's time for bestiality, pedophilia and necrophilia acceptance!
Where's the scholarly article on that? I mean from a time after chauvinism and superstition ruled scientific thought.
I said, WHEN you get an erection around a woman, without requiring stimulation, it's voluntary? So you're telling me you voluntarily tell your body "welp, there's a sexy woman. Erection: ON!"? Does it turn gold and does its power level go up too?
>just my opinion
Ah okay. discarded.
So same thing. Did you choose that or are you like the Vienna retard who tells his body to go to SSJErection3?
I like how the researcher is quoted on how the process (which is nowhere near completion) could be used to help people who have been sterilized through deadly illnesses like leukemia and yet it is fashioned as a method for gays to have children.
Fucking disgusting.
>gays are bad because they can't reproduce so they're selfish
>gays are bad because they ick me out! they should never have children because it's godless and I fuck my bible when it allows me to vent hatred and not love
Pick one. It's not just for infertile people. It's for people who love each other. Now homosexuals can have biological babies and the only argument left will be "ick it grosses me out!"
Get used to it pussy.
My first sentence was just conjecture. There is no absolute scientific evidence for either side of the argument, but I feel it could be genetics, trauma that happened to the person as a child, or a combination of both.
For the second part though, just common sense. You don't need to cite scholarly articles to say that schizophrenia or downs syndrome are mental illnesses.
>"Love each other."
Love is a chemical in the brain. That's why arranged marriage was a thing way back in the day. Notice their divorce rate was not 50% . Don't buy into the "love" meme.
They make up a vastly disproportionate amount of STD, drug abuse, domestic violence, molestation and pedophilia cases. There is nothing about them or their actions that inspire life, they are walking death. If everybody acted like them we would perish. They and their actions are inherently dysfunctional and in that way they are harmful to society.
I mean where are the scholarly articles for the "common sense" part?
No, arranged marriage was a thing because marriage originated as an arrangement for convenience for a mother who would raise children and a way for a man to procreate. Maybe you're cynical and maybe ugly or boring. Maybe even autistic.
So they're harmful to themselves? Yay for you, right?
Pedophilia and homosexuality are not the same thing. Nice try.
Wait, is the assumption here that any guy would get an erection from that?
I might get an erection if I was having neutral thoughts while having my dick stimulated but not if I was seeing something/someone who was a huge turn-off at the same time.
Gay people do get married and just stay closeted. Of course, naturally they are dissatisfied with the relationship. Also, some people argue that this is unfair to their prospective spouse who typically believe they're marring someone who can and will reciprocate their feelings.
It's also about desire for romantic companionship. Opposite sex people cannot fulfill that desire in people with SSA.
You could have a very fulfilling friendship with a man and enjoy life cohabiting with him but you couldn't force a romance.
Getting an erection is not voluntary. That was the point. That is fucking retarded.
Oh good, first you argued that love is a chemical and now you're arguing with statistics. Enjoy your feelings, SJW.
It IS selfish. By definition it is one of the most selfish things you can do.
Also, gays are more likely to be drug addicts, domestic abusers, molesters, pedophiles, or STD ridden nut cases.
b..but they love each other! It's not a mental illness at all!
Brainwashed safe space babby detected. I'm sure your gay friends will love you when their lives fall apart and you let it happen. But hey at least you got to feel tolerant for a year! :3
If you're not gay and arguing on behalf of gays using a mindset/worldview that only a gay person would understand I'm gonna need to see some citations or you're gonna need to gtfo.
>I mean where are the scholarly articles for the "common sense" part?
To my knowledge, scholars don't typically write articles about how 2+2=4. It's something that you just kind of accept as a child as move on, same with how a men fucking each other in the ass is pretty clearly a sign of mental illness.
When did I say it was not chemical? Because marriage as an arrangement existed? Well fuck I didn't know that disproved that love can be a chemical process and the because divorce is 50% people who get divorced never loved someone. Maybe love existing and love being a long-lived thing are not the fucking same thing. I thought SJWs didn't like science and loved their brand of propaganda which suited a reakity that catered to them? So.. you're looking like an SJW there buddy.
So then anyone who loves someone and wants to have babies with them is selfish? So that's like. almost everyone. Did you skip the article I linked to?
>mental illness
Am I speaking to a ghost from the past? Shit. This faux science shit predates the sequencing of the human genome. Give me some updated scholarly articles on homosexuality being a mental illness. Tell me why it is not in the DSM anymore?
>inb4 because SJWs cried that gay is not mental illness
It was only put in the DSM originally because the reasons they thought it was a mental illness were not empirical. They were chauvinistic and superstitious. Very superstitioooouuuus.
You definitely have a strange obsession with what a small percentage of the population does. You may wanna talk to someone about that.
So there's no evidence for your broad, biased assertion? It's not in the fucking DSM you say? Holy shit. But professor you were really onto something that didn't sound like propaganda from the 50s!
You ignored the full page of statistics again, SJW. Chemicals come, chemicals go. That's why this "love" meme that everyone uses for gays/lesbians/trannies is inherently dysfunctional. Let me direct you to the post again.
Voluntary degeneracy. willing to bet most gays have/had porn problem.
Enough testosterone to masculinize the fetus but not enough to masculinize the fetus' brain.
See: Identical twins where one is straight and the other is gay.
It's both genetic and environmental.
>So there's no evidence for your broad, biased assertion?
Assuming you aren't baiting, why is it that you think men fucking each other in the ass is not a sign of mental illness? I don't see what is broad or biased about my claim, it's not like I'm talking about race or religion. Gay sex goes against everything the human body is designed to do, and there is no scientific evidence to suggest people being driven to such depths of depravity is anything other than mental illness, so I'm curious why you are so eager to say it's not?
btw I don't gay gays anymore than I hate schizophrenics, which is not at all, some people are just born fucked up or go through really bad things that ruins them, not something I would hate a person over.
Yeah, I got that. He's avoiding the point by saying it's possible to suppress the response.
What do you want citations for? Gay men staying closeted and marrying? Having romantic feelings for other men?
It's fairly commonly discussed stuff. Also you could reach those conclusions by putting yourself in their shoes (ie. empathy)
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I agree with most of of what you say but
>Am I speaking to a ghost from the past?
It's literally a "come on, it's THE CURRENT YEAR" fallacy
You obviously know nothing about the DSM or you wouldn't be quoting it like it meant something.
I have experience as a behavioral neuroscientist and therapist so I think I can speak from actual knowledge (something you probably have never experienced) You know how many retarded things were in the DSM? You know how many retarded things are STILL in the DSM? Spoiler: a lot. It is saturated with syndromes and other retardation.
Nice try trying to cite science though. Too bad you're fucking ignorant and stupid. :^) But hey, at least you get to feel tolerant for a year! :3
I'm gay and I agree with your breakdown; heck it might even be 65/35 with the disaffected MGTOW horndog types that can get down with cute twinks and traps.
P.S. Does it get more beautiful than the boy in the pic? ;-)
Hahahaha. It isn't a scholarly article, because no scientist you talk to will tell you it's a mental illness. The drugs, that's easily a side effect from society's hatred. Show me an updated article from recent years that explains why it's a mental illness.
So you voluntarily tell your dick to get hard when you watch porn? Like I said, "Go Erection mode! I choose you!" Most straight men have a porn problem, are you kidding? topkek
Assuming you aren't baiting, where's proof that it's a mental illness in humans, when all great apes and a huge amount of mammals fuck around regardless of sex? Just show me your proof that it's a categorical mental illness and stop using buzzwords and beating around the bush.
>gays are like schizos
Schizos hear voices that tell them to murder people sometimes. Are you that fucking scared of gays that you're compared gays much more highly successful than heterosexuals on average, to fucked up schizos? What men do in their bedrooms together in privacy is that much of an issue for you?
When it comes to our understanding of humanity, sexuality, etc, from an empirical standpoint, not a societal one, the "current year" usually plays a role. Unless we're going backward
Ah okay I believe you professor. Totally sure. Why are you here again? Convenient that you cited things too :3 You also type like a seasoned neuro-scientist not a desperate reactionary.
I don't get how gay men can be attracted to small guys like me or that guy. But 2 masculine guys getting it on its just nasty. Needs to be a masculine and feminine energy. Glad I'm bi.
It's so easy being a degenerate faggot in the current year.
>glad I'm bi
And there's all the info you need.
It's totally a mental illness, dude. By definition, same sex attraction leads to expelling ones life energies (the semen) into a partner that cannot breed children. If that's not a mental illness, nothing on earth is. Porno/masturbation is also a mental illness for that reason, and I most certainly suffer from that illness. I'm not going to parade around and be like "porn is ok errybody, ACCEPT ME NOW!"
Yeah. That's a great point. I have a theory that most gay guys secretly prefer young skinny dudes. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with those gray haired bear types.
I wish there were some truth serum out there because I'm pretty sure gay guys have the same biological preference for young (fertile? fuckable?) males the same way straight guys are hardwired to prefer young fertile females.
Checked, but you haven't done anything but become increasingly unhinged and fail to provide any sort of substance or logic to your arguments. At this point it's difficult to see you as anything other than a butthurt faggot raging over a thread (gives more anecdotal credence to the mental illness argument), or a sad soul that has nothing better to do than bait Sup Forums threads about homosexuality.
I bet your ancestors are very proud you wound up being a pseudo pedophile faggot. Honour and virtue are not on the list of priorities in your personal development. Satanic faggotry and materialism is all you know you aspire to nothing and you will die filled with shame and regret
I think it's a bit of both but also influenced by life events such as sexual abuse
It's a cathartic power fantasy, senpai. They envy the aesthetics of other males and like cumming.
I dont think I would really call it a mental illness. Now trannies. Transexualism or whatever you want to call it is definitely a mental illness. When your sexuality makes you think you need to chop off your cock and get a pussy then you have something wrong.
Oh please. Found the cuck. I have every right to find an 18-going-on-15 boy sexy as you do to find a 15 year old GIRL sexy. If straight men are hardwired to find post-pubescent, fertile women attractive, then is it that great a stretch to argue that (many) gay men are hardwired to find post-pubescent, fertile (even thought that's not biologically possible but you get the metaphor/analogy) teen boys sexy? Kyler Moss is gorgeous and I'll wipe the floor with you in a debate.
>then is it that great a stretch to argue that (many) gay men are hardwired to find post-pubescent, fertile (even thought that's not biologically possible but you get the metaphor/analogy) teen boys sexy?
boys dont become fertile you gay retard
Fuck dude. Every last one of you Sup Forums cucks is so damn autistic. Look what I wrote in the parentheses. I'm not suggesting that I'm going to impregnate some twink when I blast a load up his ass
> I have every right
Your "rights" are determined by god nature and your own conscious you faggot. I don't care about you rationalizing your degenerate desires. Deep down you know that you have a serious problem that you haven't addressed you know that what you are doing is wrong.
Some people are born that way.
Some people choose it.
Some people get converted.
>Basically, is it voluntary or involuntary?
>>>
I've been attracted to 2 men being together since before I can remember.
I'm also less degenerate than Milo and support Trump.
If there was an easy way to get famous without sacrificing my career I'd try my best to explode the interwebosphere
Brother is only a year younger than me, grew up pretty much in the same environment, both parents are police officers. Pretty much the most straight edged, conservative family in the neighborhood. He even started showing signs of being gay before he was 11. I don't know how you could argue that is voluntary
I think the studies they have done, showed some correlation with how much testosterone/estrogen the fetus are exposed to.
There is no reason to think it's a choice. There are a lot more Bisexuals apparently than what you would think. So having a liberal policy towards homosexuality would probably lead to more homosexual acts.
Who cares though? I am straight, and I wish that more men were gay. Increases my value as a straight male.
>comparing a man's recognition and attraction to female fertility to a gay dude getting a boner for some hot guy
What exactly is the biological trait in gay men that signal that they are ready to have their boipuccy bred?
This isn't a fiction. Taking the basic concept of attraction and stretching it to a fetish is just plain dumb. All fetishes have psychological causes. Or are you going to argue that foot fetishists are attracted to the sweet fertile soles of Emma Watson's feet?
Wow. You're a Christcuck? Seriously? Maybe you meant to go to TheBlaze.com. You don't belong here
Faggot your life is hell. It is a spirtual and moral abyss, Only you can pull yourself out of the gutter, no speech or appeal to decency and virtue can change you it has to come from within. Most of you faggots are a lost cause and you will wander the earth in despair full of anger at others and self-hatred and you when you die you will want to go to hell because you will know that you deserve it.
I'm not saying I disagree with you, for what it's worth. I've often wondered if I have a fetish for... I guess we'll say 15-25 yo femboys (although maybe I've conditioned myself to be attracted to a slightly broader subset of guys) ... and that I'm ultimately not a true fag. I've definitely jerked it to some skinny girls, Georgia Jones for instance. Psychoanalyze me I guess
In 100 years we'll all be rotting in the ground.
I've fucked some gorgeous teen boys and I'll pay your future 14 year old son $100 to give me a blowjob when you tell him he can't have that box of baseball cards. Deal with it, Christcuck.
Daddy issues and an indifference to Mommy leading to an authoritarian sense of superiority that is unmediated by your superego. The issue is that it can be justified through societal success, but you don't honestly believe you're better than others. Combine that with healthy, natural recognition of healthy male traits and you have someone who feels (and forgive me for using this polarizing word) entitled to taking a boipuccy when and where you want because that is what a dominant male does.
You want to give twinky, lameass, cheeky cunt men some dick because its cathartic. It makes you feel like a God, thus validating the buried feelings of superiority you have suppressed. This is natural. After all, it is easier to be like everyone else than to kick, scream, and fight tooth and nail to become marginally better than your neighbor. However, if you resort to a baser, more primal form of demonstrating dominance then these societal constraints are irrelevant. You have conquered it. Therefore gay butt sex.
That's probably bullshit but then again it's been a while since I did this.
Well faggot before you go to hell you will suffer in this life as well which I'm sure that you are already unless you are a psychopath with no empathy. I just say what I know to be true. You can justify yourself however you want but you are trying to convince yourself not me.
You will cross over another small victory for yourself, another internet argument won that nobody cares about so you have another excuse another rationalization to not change your behavior, to remain in the gutter. You know that you are an abomination you wan't to reach for the good and the transcendental and you want to be at peace with yourself but you can't and it rips you apart inside.
The attraction isn't a choice, because we don't choose the environment we grow up in. But we do choose to practice and give in to our desires.
I used to have homosexual attraction but changed into a heterosexual.
pretty sure it's genetic doom
it could be that people just play gay because they want to be curb stomped by neo-nazis, but I think that is only in fringe cases.
You'll be six feet under by the time his children turn two, pozzed cunt.
You'll be SIXTEEN feet under once the Islamic Sharia Council replaces all your courts, Britcuck. I thought we got rid of useful idiots like you back in the 1780's.
I'm in a long term relationship at this point, although I'm always going to jerk it to some fresh boipussy on Tumblr or the deepweb (I'm 30). My twink boyfriend is far from a genius, but he loves to mock the pozload crowd almost as much as I do.
Of course it's not voluntary, who the fuck would choose that? Maybe it's fine today but for most of human history it meant getting violently murdered if anyone found out. It would be like choosing to be a pedo today. Why the fuck would you limit your potential partners from 50% of the population to
With regard to the 2nd paragraph, there definitely might be some truth to that. Am I the lone gay guy who has "chosen" to be gay? I'd fuck hot skinny girls in a second. But I'll never be alpha/jacked enough to do so. Luckily, hot gays are easy as hell. My boyfriend's a 9 and is 23 going on 18. My ex was 19 going on 16. Call me creepy but youth = sexy. Maybe I'm just the ultimate MGTOW and discovered a loophole in the system (or a hot hole and you're a sucker if you ain't kissed 'em!)