Can someone help me out? I'm a bit lost.
What rational argument is there for allowing illegal immigrants to stay in the U.S.?
> But they pay taxes!
So would every legal immigrant that has waited years and paid money to come here the right way. Why reward those who cut the line?
> But it's their parents' fault!
Then they should take it up with their parents.
> But they haven't committed a crime!
Their very presence is a crime.
> But feelings!
Fuck your feelings.
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And no, I'm not a white supremacist, white nationalist, or whatever. My own parents are Hispanic immigrants and I fully embrace cultural diversity.
But for fuck's sake, this country has laws. If you break them, there are consequences.
Ah yes. Feelings. Chemical reactions in the brain that literally make humans humans. We certainly can't forget to fuck those!
So law and order don't matter, what is important is that no one gets their feelings hurt?
DACA is meant to protect kids, that are not adults, so they can work.
Example. In a parallel universe. You were born in shit Venezuela, your mama and your papa were broke and brought you to the US when you were 4 yrs old When they immigrated. Fast forward 13 years.
Now you can work but you realized you are illegal. DACA allows you to work. President wants to send you back to a country by yourself on your own that you left when you were 4. Bonus points if you don't have family there.
Fuck greentext.
Also immigrants are no longer welcome in the US.too many and too much shit.
No man is above the law. That is a fundamental American value. You can feel bad for them all you want, but if we give them a free pass, why shouldn't we give every future illegal immigrant a free pass too? Hell, why not open the border?
> President wants to send you back to a country by yourself on your own that you left when you were 4.
As he should. It's not his responsibility, nor is it the taxpayers', to support my illegal ass. I probably wouldn't be too happy with the situation, but I promise you I would not have the nerve to DEMAND citizenship as if I have the right to it. U.S. citizenship is an enormous privilege.
>Their very presence is a crime.
And why is that?
>Because they don't have a piece of paper with their identity, name, and D.O.B on it! Oh and numbers! No numbers too!
And what's the problem of allowing them to obtain these documents while they are already in the states?
>They have to go back to Mexico and only then we will allow them to come to America with proper paperwork.
You do realize that there are MANY Mexican citizens who are undocumented even in their own country right? And that they are literally unable to come legally, because they do not exist according to government records. You realize that right?
>.............. (Some random 4Channer fills in this spot.) Fuck them. I don't care about life other than a Muricans life.
Immigration now days cannot be seen as a rational argument. We are all now too connected with each other.
To say in simple term, they bring ideas and boost the status of your country economically. Not all illegals are bad people. The US was made by inmigrants who killed and took the land by force. So the very existence of this country falls in that category. People come and risk their life to be better. The world is a shit place and extrmely dangerous. You are blessed and lucky to have been born in the land of the free and home of the brave.
your ability to use tools and think with language is what makes you human you numale faggot
>Why is that?
Because the U.S. has a funny thing called immigration law, and these people broke it.
>What's the problem with allowing them to obtain these documents while they are already in the states?
Because we have a legal immigration system, and they chose not to go that route. You don't get to cut the line and demand citizenship. Not here.
Seriously, why the fuck should we give them any sort of reward for sneaking into our country and then having the nerve to protest and demand citizenship? We owe them nothing.
They are not demanding citizenship, most of them are not. Some assholes you see on the news are ungrateful and call the media attention for those actions saying they are citizens of this nation. These young man and woman are begging and crying for an opportunity to stand by your side and prove themselves worthy of being called an American. Is not every body. Go to your community and see first hand the situation. Don't relly on news media clips.
> Not all illegals are bad people.
I never said they were. I said they aren't above the law, so they don't get to cut the line and claim they have a right to stay. That's not how it works.
> The US was made by immigrants who killed and took the land by force
Unless DACA recipients are planning on violently taking over the country, why don't we stick to following the law?
> These young man and woman are begging and crying for an opportunity to stand by your side and prove themselves worthy of being called an American.
I don't care how much they cry.
If they respect our laws, they should prove it by going back to their home countries and applying to come here legally, like everyone else.
If they don't respect our laws, they should get deported and banned from entering ever again.
It's part of many things that make us human you dipshit. But emotions and feelings are the strongest trait in ANY creature. Words and languages are only to communicate information, ideas, and to socialize. Telling a person 'no, sorry, get lost.' To an individual because you believe to have the biggest dick in the jungle, is extremely arrogant and narcissistic. >But no man is above the law
I agree. No rape, murder, theft, Ect. But these immigration laws are absolutely heartless.
You're missing the point. These individuals ARE ALREADY HERE. They have lived in the States since childhood. They are American weather you like it or not. The only difference between them and you is they don't have official U.S documentation. Everybody else that is currently in Mexico SHOULD wait for permission to enter in legally. The people already here should be allowed Citizenship. Not by demand, but by courtesy.
> these immigration laws are absolutely heartless
Then take it up with your Congressman. That's how the law works in the U.S. If you don't agree with it, get enough people to agree with you so that the law is changed.
But as long as it IS the law, we must enforce it. No exceptions.
I agree on that. But is not as easy as it looks, it is hard and complicated. Understand that for the people outside the US, this country is worth dying for. They will die, trying to get here, sacrifice everything and such. Try to see the desperation of thousands of people thinking that coming here and working, let's say a manual labor job that will get them pay of U.S $100 day, when they make that in their country in 6 months. They flow here in masses. Now in here they realized the reality. They feel tricked. They want to work. And there are jobs. There are jobs everywhere, in their countries too. But they make $5 per week and rent in those places are $130 a month.
DACA people just want to stay here and work, they are not taking anything or be violent. DACA recipients are under surveillance. They need to report every time they move and change adress.
muh feels
Is not like there is a door that you walk out and come back. Go to www.uscis.gov and read that entire website.
You step outside the US. You are never allowed to come back in.
Trump is now in favor of it, so that makes it good.
get with the program faggots
> They are American weather you like it or not. The only difference between them and you is they don't have official U.S documentation.
That documentation is what makes you American, retard. Otherwise you're an illegal immigrant. It's a simple concept.
This country has immigration laws. You don't get to call yourself American because you've successfully hidden from ICE for twenty years.
> Everybody else that is currently in Mexico SHOULD wait for permission to enter in legally. The people already here should be allowed Citizenship. Not by demand, but by courtesy.
"COURTESY"? LOL
What "courtesy" have they shown the U.S. by spitting on our immigration laws and acting like they have a right to be here?
Courtesy. Haha.
>Then take it up with your Congressman. That's how the law works in the U.S. If you don't agree with it, get enough people to agree with you so that the law is changed.
That's such a frail way of thinking. Where's your sense of standard?
Example:
>Oh, the new law has just been passed! Pedophilia is now legal! OK I'll accept that now that THE LAW SAYS ITS LEGAL SO I GUESS ITS ACCEPTABLE. Sorry kids, I can't protect you from the adults now, because you have the right of consent.
Yeah people try to change or create new laws everyday for whatever reason. Is what you see happening now.
People want to change the current law for the better. But they are in a stale mate. These are peoples live and futures at stake. It is not something small. For some people is a big deal, is everything. Is their whole life.
it costs more money to deport them than to just leave them alone since they work hard.basically your a pussy who doesn't like competition and thats unamerican as can be pussy.fuck your feelings ;)
DACA as established by Obama is also law, so it's all cool now right?
> Understand that for the people outside the US, this country is worth dying for.
Which is why people bust their asses, in both money and time spent, to come here legally. And we welcome legal immigrants. NOT illegals.
> DACA people just want to stay here and work
I don't care what they want. They do not have the right to stand on U.S. soil. Come legally, or don't come at all.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaand bait
All this retarded grammar makes me dislike your beaner people even more.
>Can't even greentext
>2nd world parents who barely speak English write better than you
A document does not make an American. Go to middle East and say to the government or the locals that you identify with the American Government, that you believe to be an American by heart. They will kill you.
Other countries will kill you. These people believe in America and Its dream of freedom that they will shield soldiers bearing the American flag and take shots protecting American soldiers because they believe in what the US stands for. That makes them more American that what a paper says.
>Hell, why not open the border?
Actually, yeah, why not?
Listen. What if I told you that there are a bunch of fuckheads running around all over the United States that believe that they are 'Sovereign citizens' and that they do not have to register their children a birth certificate, SSN, that they do not have to send them to school, a doctor, a dentist, Ect. That child was born in the U.S to white, American citizens. Now according to you, a person is only a U.S citizen with documentation and paperwork... Does that mean... NO! It must mean that ANY American child who does not have paperwork is not an American citizen. Now. Talk your way out of this one Einstein.
> your a pussy who doesn't like competition
As an American, I shouldn't have to compete with an illegal immigrant who's willing to work for less than minimum wage. That's why there's a minimum wage, and that's why I'm authorized to live in America and they aren't.
Come legally or don't come at all.
I have 26 employees they work construction. Maybe 6 of them have papers. Pay them normal wages because it's a skilled trade after they get really good. They can go to any other fuck who'll pay them the same or more. Should my workers be deported? Hope not they make me money. This year I'll make more than 500,000 I can start getting my workers papers starting next year.
There isn't user!!
It's just these indoctrinated people that learn anti American views from elitist college professors
All part of dividing and alienating us so they can institute socialism under the guise of fairness
Big surprise, sandniggers will kill you for being American.
>Comparing dirty mudslims to a functioning non-monarchical government
>Then they should take it up with their parents
"Oh my bad chico I actually had this green card for you the whole time it's all good now"
That argument is absolutely ridiculous
> DACA is also law
No, it isn't. Laws are made by Congress. The President doesn't get to single-handedly shove his black cock down America's throat and make something that most people don't want a law.
He said it himself, it was a temporary measure, and, in my opinion, one that should've never been implemented.
Sorry assfuck. I'm getting sleepy and have no time to check my grammar, or punctuation. I'm not dumb, just careless at the moment.
>And yes, I can greentext.
Doesn't change the fact that they are criminals breaking the law
the reason the Left wants so badly to have illegal immigrants in the country is to have a pool of people they can control and take advantage of, to replace the slaves they were forced to give up.
Pop quiz time
>We are giving them a chance for a better future
>The economy depends on them
What are hese are arguments used to support?
(a) illegal immigration
(b) slavery
(c) both
> Go to middle East and say to the government or the locals that you identify with the American Government, that you believe to be an American by heart. They will kill you.
That's so irrelevant I don't even know how to address it. Are you seriously suggesting that if you get shot in the Middle East because you lied and said you were American, you deserve American citizenship?
That's retarded. That's completely, absolutely retarded.
>Doesn't change the fact that they are criminals breaking the law
Yeah, I'm sure you're just as butthurt over people smoking weed. Racist faggot.
WTF is this guy talking about
It would be a massive waste of money finding and deporting them, it would also be a humanitarian shitshow
imo Legalize the ~12 mil here right now and tighten border security.
The
>truth
is that liberals need to screw up the country as much as possible. And how do they do this? Through
>feelings. Lots and lots of mental abuse through feelings.
Cost more money to track, find and deport than allowing them to stay.
If you took that $240mil and used it on something useful, might get more traction.
If that's what you want, feel free to take it up with your elected representatives.
I have a feeling you won't get far.
So retarded and/or a beaner then. There are Mexicans and there are beaners, just like black people and niggers.
You're a turbo beaner.
>President wants to send you back to a country by yourself on your own that you left when you were 4.
Excuse me? Their parents get deported right along with them. It aint like we're deporting DACA but letting their non-DACA family stay.
Are you actually retarded?
If you're born in the US, you're automatically a citizen. There is no such thing as a child born in the US who does not receive a SSN.
So they would kill "americans" over nothing, sure why not let them all in. What could go wrong. Look up violent crime rates of open border countries, thats why
Illegal isn't a race!
You are racist for assuming illegal equals Brown people
Someone can be here illegally from Russia, France, China, Mexico, Canada
Another typical racist democrat
>Authorized to live in America
Wow great job being born here you really earned it with that luck of the draw
> Should my workers be deported?
Yes. Except for the 6 who you said are here legally.
> Hope not they make me money
So would any other worker, preferably ones who are here legally.
I'm saying that if it's the parents' fault, why the fuck should the US take responsibility for it?
"But who's going to take care of them?"
Fuck if I know. Not my problem.
Why should citizens of a good country have to have their citizens compete with low paid immigrants from shit countries who are likely part of the problem as to why their country is shit?
Well, I was just in this forum commenting, which is what is for.
Fuck you then.
You are a piece of shit. Green text? Fuck and double fuck your green text. " This is Sup Forums green text to speak in points because is cool. " cannot read normal paragraphs?? no one gives a shit who you dislike. Yes and yes. Dislike beaners Muslims immigrants whatever you dislike just and just because you are in this country. It is a sure thing, you outside the walls of your city, you will not last an hour. Yeah dislike every one. But guess what, beaners muslims and whatever are not allow to dislike you because they don't have that freedom you so much take in geanted. And who the fuck are you to demand i speak properly ?
Nigger, I got trips, so you're a racist.
Can't you read? I'm saying that if is correct, and that paperwork, and documentation is the only source of Citizenship. Then there are thousands of American children who aren't citizens of the U.S because their dumbfuck parents thought that it was a good idea to deny their kids a birth certificate, SSN, a public education, and health services! THEY'RE NOT LEGAL ACCORDING TO
They don't fucking pay taxes, are you shitting me? You think Moses, domingo, raul, and alejandedro collect their cash money from working in every kitchen in every restaurant in America and willingly go give some to the government?
The argument that democrats were the ones with slaves is so god damn irrelevant at this point. True, the democrats were the slave owners but who do you think is more likely to be racist now, a democrat from the north or a republican from the south. I'd bet anything on it being the southerners who are NOW republicans.
Not him, but you're saying it's harder to get legal residency right after the fall of soviet Russia is harder to get than from the Mexican government?
Also, I've never met an illegal Caucasian ever. Then again white people became the minority in Commiefornia a few years ago.
Beaner.
If it's the parents fault why punish the kid?
It should not be illegal to kill criminals, like you shoot a coyote, rabbit, or other nuisance animal.
Illegals, druggies, anyone with a felony on their record.
Police arrive to handle the situation, check identifications, and if you just killed an illegal immigrant, repeat criminal, felony perpetrator, escaped convict, child molester...
They shake your hand and tell you did a good job.
Non-humans should be treated as damaging nuisance animals, add an open bounty on them.
You're right, let's just give up looking for and deporting illegals. Big waste of money. Just let as many of them come and stay as they want.
Seriously....WTF is this dude talking about
Not OP but, how are your illegal workers making you more money than their legal equals if you are paying them the same? I can tell you dont actually own and run a business but lets pretend anyway
Calling someone names doesn't mean you're right you should have learned that in preschool.
He's a semi-nigger and doesn't pay all of his taxes.
I wasn't even born here, fuckface. My parents and I are immigrants, except, get this:
we came legally.
Because we're not fucking retarded.
I reiterate.
Beaner or spic.
Its not a waste of money for poor americans whose wages have come to a standstill because rich assholes want to hire juan for 3 bucks an hour instead of mike for 8
B U L L F U C K I N G S H I T.
There are MANY MANY MANY children who have been isolated from normal society in the US because of the parents extreme religious and/or anarchist beliefs. That have NEVER been issued government documents in their entire life. They don't exist! You're simply uneducated on the subject, soo I'll let you slide this time on ignorance.
>come here the right way
Do you have any idea how byzantine and arbitrary the immigration rules are?
I ain't biting your bait. You understand what I'm talking about.
Technically Amish do not believe in shit like that, many opt out on getting SSN. But then again they can choose if they want to get one or not.
>allowing illegal immigrants to stay in the U.S.?
Many industries depend on illegal immigration for their work force.
Let me put it to you this way.
John robs a bank for millions of dollars, and his wife and kids get to live lavish for several years. John is caught.
Should the kids be arrested and charged with robbery? Of course not.
But should they keep the money, because they're used to it now and know no other life?
Of course not.
I'm saying that leftists are trying to brand the phrase illegal immigrants as racist in an attempt to scare people away from solving the problem of illegal immigrants
The notion that only Brown people come here illegally is silly
It's typical leftist tactic to start crying racism when they can't win the debate
Going by your statement, why keep blaming white people for slavery?
Why do whites today have to hear about crimes of ancestors?
there are not manu manu many children like that. I live in rural pennsylvania and everyone here has a SSN. Even the amish register but then they have to reject it meaning that the births, names, etc. are still on record. Other then that, everyone is registered.
Ah I got ya, didn't follow the conversation completely. But a fair point, always think of Hispanics and Canadians when I hear illegals.
Then take it up with your elected representatives. Talk to people about it and get enough support to change it.
As long as it's the law, it must be enforced.
So punish the guy that will literally work for pennies because Mike thinks he deserves more?
What realavence is this to being illegal immigrants?
Why do you say that? I have seen no "evidence" if you will of Republican as a group being racist, yet have seen many "black opportunity" programs pushed by Democrats that literally define racism by giving more availability to an individual based only one the color of their skin
Because they put up statues celebrating those crimes?
many rich fucks get richer because they use illegal immigration to their advantage. Their industries do not depend on it.
Welcome to America user
Enjoy your stay
Right, because they'd rather pay an illegal less than minimum wage and not have to provide benefits.
To them I say, "Blow me."
Wanna do business in America? Hire Americans.
OK I'm going to sleep now. My point is that you guys are a bunch of wannabe edgy alphamale absolutists who believe that you have the biggest dicks in the jungle. Goodnight to all crackers, spicks, and niggers. Fuck all of you.
Who are these people you speak of user
Wow, just, wow.
>let's compare white slave owners to and unborn child with no choice of the own accord...
The irony is that Mexicans complain about the laws in the USA, but Mexico has even tougher immigration laws than the USA.
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Night beaner, remember to fluff your tortillas before going to bed.
> So punish the guy that will literally work for pennies
No, just deport him, because he has no right to the ground he's walking on, or the air above it.
So people that are related to slave owners shouldn't feel bad or ever hear about it?
>Let's compare white slave owners from over a century ago to people who've never owned slaves
>Also let's forget about every other ethnicity that was enslaved
Our laws state he has every right once here.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Yeah democrats have done some crazy shit