It's impossible to define rock music

It's impossible to define rock music.
Prove me wrong.
You can't.

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White r&b

All music white people enjoy and have to thank the black man for.

>electric instruments
>lead (and rhythm) guitar
>bass
>drums

Rock is based partly on scots-irish folk music, partly on black music. Many subgenres have nothing to with black music.

>British rock in the 60s was still advertised as r&b
What did they mean by this?

>genre:rock
lmaoing at these racist idiots enjoying literal black people music

this meme needs to be buried and pissed on

Wrong

I can't decide if OP is an anti-electronic music poster trying to pretend rock is too "varied" to be called one genre or, a Sup Forumstard trying to push the rock didn't come from black people meme.

I'm just trying to prove that rock music is impossible to define. I don't care about any of the other things you mentioned.
Do you think I'm wrong? Care to provide a definition?

No it's not

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Later, they experimented a bit, 99% of it is covered though.

>music about rocks

there, I did it motherfucker

1st is meaningless
2nd doesn't apply to rock subgenres like prog rock
3rd one is wrong because of bands like Emerson Lake Palmer
The point stands, rock music is impossible to define

ha

Music where guitar is the dominant focus?

Thats vague enough to be accurate.

No, what I said is 100% right

It's not. I just named some examples to which your definition doesn't hold. You were wrong.

Flamenco and Blues are rock music now?

Music where bands including guitars, drums, and vocals are the dominant focus?

And a lot of blues and flamenco is in fact rock.

>a lot of blues and flamenco is in fact rock.

hmmm

Emerson Lake Palmer are not rock then?

And only a minority of blues and flamenco is rock.

Your definition is flawed.

That too much for you?

ELP has guitar, drums, and vocals. I dont see your point.

why are rockfags so easy to trigger?

If someone plays 'Ave Maria' on the guitar, is it rock?

Songs such as Karn Evil 9 use a keyboard with no guitars and mostly instrumental.

It's this whole website, desu senpai

Rock bands can have songs outside of the rock genre.

Check

whos triggered

Karn Evil 9 is not a rock (prog rock) song then? What is it then?

ITT: IDM idiots frustrated that their music all sounds the same

Thats what I thought.

This thread is tedious but pretty civil.

>IDM

answered

>everyone I don't like is one person

rock music is defined by the rhythms, song structure, characteristic harmonic progressions, and typical instrumentation. "Riffs" are typically a key structural element. all of these are subject to some change, especially because one of the typical aspects of post-beatles rock is eclecticism. most rock music is also the same in process: songwriting is typically done as band improvisation.

>INTELLIGENT dance music fans
>idiots
pick one

Holy shit BTFO

every genre of music is defined by the rhythms, song structure, characteristic harmonic progressions, and typical instrumentation

your post doesn't define rock music

not true
rhythm is a much more essential element in rock music than in classical
it is almost a requirement for a rock song to habe a driving, metronomic (i.e. without rubato) beat

you are legit retarded

Traps are gay, senpai

Fuck yes it is, and the 1812 Overture is actually pretty fucking sweet adapted for electric guitar

thank you

unironically thank you

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you made me find this

I have to say, that's a lousy definition of rock music. I disagree, but you're a fag anyway so what do you care?

Btw, would you say Jenny Death was a rock album? Surely it was influenced, but just because guitar is obviously present doesn't distinguish it as rock, right?

Well if we're talking electric guitar, it's harder to argue against it being rock. I really meant if you were to play it on a classical, nylon-stringed guitar. I still stand by just playing something on a guitar with whatever effects makes it rock.

Funk and blues and flamenco are rock now then?

>I still stand by just playing something on a guitar with whatever effects makes it rock.

I didn't outright say it would be rock, just that it's a little more difficult to argue against it. I mean funk has a bit of rock influence in it, but I wouldn't say it's rock beyond that. Flamenco is easily not rock, as it originated on the nylon-stringed guitar (pretty sure). As for blues, several artists combine blues and rock, so wouldn't you say they have to be separate in order to combine them? I would.

Btw, blues is as old and tired as country desu senpai

The point is that your definition of rock is wrong, further evidencing what the OP said by saying that rock music is impossible to define.

>Genre: SHOEGAZE
>Excessive amount of pedals and effects
>Rock
MBV&Slowdive aren't rock and don't really sound like it

But Ride, Lush, Swervedriver and many, many, many other bands fit that definition. And they're all shoegaze.

Those two bands are rock, but yes, the definition made by that poster is flawed.

Not all, which means your definition is flawed.

There is no one set definition for Rock Music the same way there isn't one set definition for other genres. The only way to do genres is to look at each individual work, then look at its various qualities, then see where it fits best.

It's not a restrictive checklist where everything needs to be checked off. Rather it is a very large checklist from which genre gets determined based on the set of things checked off from it.

Shoegaze is a subgenre of rock.

Satanic trips confirm that to define the genre of something you need to listen to the actual music.

That still doesn't tell you how to tell if something is rock. I could claim that Shoegaze is not rock, or that Funk is rock by that logic.

Could you relay to me my definition of rock?

Whoops, meant to type "doesn't make it rock

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I thought you were this guy? What was your definition if not him?

I'm this guy, made a typo.

THIS

Then LOTS of subgenre.

Now someone define "jazz"?

Are you saying MBV is not rock? Because that's bullshit.

It's impossible to define jazz as well.

Electronic Bass and or giutar, paired with drums often paired with vocals. Can have any other type of instrument added to the mix Its vague but definable.

Funk is not rock though, therefore your definition is wrong.

No dice, Zapp and Roger never had giutars or a live drum kit. They're still considered funk. I win!

Well since their mid 80s shit they did away with giutars etc.Point is enitre funk albums with giutars exist.

So, all other funk is rock? God, you are retarded.
Also, the guitar definition is wrong because some rock bands (Emerson Lake Palmer and The United States of America) didn't use guitars.

>Rock is based partly on scots-irish folk music
You're mixing up your weak apologia. People say that about blues, not rock

any examples? i can see irish folk in early jazz, but not in blues

>I don't know what I'm talking about so I'll use the word "legit" to provide the illusion of authority
kill yourself.

You're right. Literally all pop music is based on blues and every term we've made up since then is based around some sort of aesthetic (such as fashion, lyrical subject matter, or instruments used) rather than any sore of musical qualities. Rap, rock, EDM, synth pop, metal, punk etc are all more or less the same from a musical notation standpoint.

Good job OP.

This doesn't answer my question.

why do we call bands like Emerson Lake Palmer or The United States of America rock when they clearly don't fit any rock definition?

>rock
bwaw bwaw badabadabada bwaw
>jazz
twiddly doe wop bam

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