Hi Sup Forums

hi Sup Forums,

Pro-gunfag here. I'm open minded about a legislative solution that will actually reduce the likelihood of mass shootings, but I have yet to hear a realistic suggestion that will actually reduce mass shootings, but will also protect my right to go hunting and shoot an intruder if he breaks into my house and theaters my family.

This is not bait. I rally want to hear some decent suggestions.

A few points for discussion:
1- As a middle class, middle age non-drug using white guy, even I know where to go go get unregistered guns on the street in DC. It's not hard at all. going rate is about $40 for a .45 1911 and about $100 for something in the semi-auto or auto universe. Granted, these guns are probably tainted and attached to murders, but if I'm planning additional murders, no biggie.

2. "assault rife" is a cosmetic term.

3. hunting and concealed carry laws are not the problem. Theres never been a mass shooting by a registered concealed carrier who has passed a background check.

okay, Sup Forums. what's the solution?

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Almost got me. Nice bait

I don't think the problem is just the guns.
There is something wrong with us. I'm not sure what it is, but it's not just the guns.

There is no law that will remove the evil from a person's heart

If we passed single payer healthcare that included mental health, then everyone could keep their guns and the deranged people who would have gone out and killed people would have the proper help they need to prevent such tragedies

but americans are too afraid of big bad scary socialism, they'd much rather give up their guns on the establishment left or have mass shootings on the right

When Timothy McVeigh murdered 180 people with fertilizer and fuel oil. No one blamed fuel oil. Everyone blamed the individual.

I'm progunfag too...

>Post sign up at school saying gun free zone
>>criminals dont give 2 shits about laws.

>> sure we can guns like we did drugs

just look how well those 2 things are working out...

Theres no possible law you could pass that would reduce mass murders

don't forget that you can still do mega damage even without a gun.

This dude killed 29 people and injured 130 with a butcher knife
cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/index.html


honestly if you want gun killing sprees to go down why not let everyone have a gun?

I mean if one person could've shot back at the person shooting this would've been a different story.

Good guys with guns don't pop up in the news. It doesn't fit the "let's ban guns agenda"

finally a rational debate.... i to am pro gun but am curious as to how to prevent this shit...

The only logistical and fiscal way to do it would be banning .223, 7.62 and .308 rounds.

My question is why are we so scared as a country that we feel the need to have guns all the time? Americans are scared of their own fucking shadows to where they don't feel safe in their own homes. I don't own a gun and have never thought I was unsafe in my neighborhood. Granted, I live in a pretty calm city, but still.

>I mean if one person could've shot back at the person shooting this would've been a different story.
that was certainly true in newtown or columbine but not here. I mean, you'd need to have a legit sniper rifle and the training of Chris Kyle to make that shot.

greetings comrade

OP here. the suburbs are generally safe. But if you live in a big city there are garden variety criminals and organized criminals, and pretending they don't exist and rely on crime to fund their operations is just folly. And if you live way the fuck out in the rural hinterlands, "calling the cops" means waiting an hour for the sheriff to show up. you GOTTA keep a shotgun and a long gun around if you're in the woods.

We are not scared. Where I am from (Texas) it is culture. It’s instilled in you that part of life is owning a gun. It’s almost dogmatic in Texas that guns and freedom go hand in hand. There if you’re anti gun then you’re anti freedom. It’s culture. Not fear.

Now I live in California. No one here talks about guns. I don’t know many people here who have guns. In fact most people where I live have probably never been to a shooting range or held a gun. The culture here isn’t gun centric at all. For the most part the culture here is pretty anti gun.

I don’t think the issue of guns is more about fear as it is regional culture and values

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sure kid
you would know there is no solution

No that would be absolutely retarded. The amound of guns that would be completely useless would be to the point where hunting is impossible. Use your brain, not even the UK has a ban on those ammo types, they just severely restrict the type of guns you can use, as well as making them hard to get.

>okay, Sup Forums. what's the solution?

De-nig this country. Send them all back to Africa. PROBLEM SOLVED.

I never thought i needed a gun and i thought gunfags were living in fantasyland. Then I sent sport fishing offshore for tuna with a friend and we were 40 miles from land. VHF radio and GPS, but No cell service. A boat came up to us, refused to answer our tries to hail them on VHF. They had no fishing equipment. What the fuck was he doing way the fuck out here if they weren't fishing. I told my fishing buddy to start the boat and cut the anchor free (1000 feet of rope)

Sure as shit they got up to us and waved with a big smile and asked us if we could spare any fuel. We said no, we had just enough to get back, and out came their shotguns. I just hammered the throttle. They took two shots and didn't chase (our boat was pretty fast) but sure as shit they were going to shoot us, lease us for the sharks and take the boat. I never go offshore without a gun now.

Who the fuck hunts with those calibers? You have an argument with .308 but that's it. Hunting rounds are .30-06 and .300 mag for the majority of hunting rifles.

That's seriously fucked up.

>theaters my family

.223/5.56 and 7.62 are the ultimate coyote rounds.

my deer rifles are 45/70, 30/30 and .270. i have a 7m08 and 30-06 but they just gather dust.

From a foreign perspective this intrigued me. I looked into it, your guns kill fuck all people to be honest. diabetes kill just under 3x more people. The majority of your gun death is suicide and if you remove guns they kill themselves other ways. Almost all the rest of your violence with guns is what you would call "nigger on nigger violence" and no laws will change that, they will always get guns since you share a border with mexico and cant even keep out trucks full of people. So really the only issue is that a mass shooting is very public and gets people upset. If you got rid of niggers and dealt with your shootings based statistical relevance then you would have the safest country on earth.

Looking at all the mass shootings in the last 10 years or so in the United States, I say you'd have a good chance at banning democrats and you'll have greatly reduced the threat.

>Virginia Tech
>Colorado Theater
>Newtown, CT
>Dorner in the corner
>Antioch TN Church shooting just last month
>Dylann Roof

I could keep going, those are just the couple off the top of my head...

Eurofag here. First of all, I don't give a fuck if you burgers self-destruct, your mass shootings are funny to watch, and talking about how an easy access to firearms increases dramatically the victim count won't work with you, or else you'd have already realised how having fried chicken at every corner makes you a country of obese basement-dwellers.
Illegal guns here cost at least 500$, and they're tremendously difficult to find, and if you don't want to believe that that's related to us having as a whole continent less than 5 victims from shootings every 100 you have, that's once again entirely your business and more funny things to watch for me.
If you want to improve though, access to automatic or semi automatic weapons to the public makes no sense, and also the psychiatric background of the buyer of any gun should be looked at before selling it.
But anyway, we're all going to die together with the whole universe, so I look forward to seeing more madmen shooting your families to cheer me up during this journey.
Thank you for being American.

No, they would just start retooling for 270win and the list goes on.

>I know where to go go get unregistered guns
You, and many people that voice this 'argument', forget one thing. It is that easy to find unregistered guns exactly because there are so many legal ones. If you think about it for longer than 30 seconds you should be able to realize this. Also, before some retard redneck starts foaming at the mouth, obviously there will always be illegal guns, and people murdering others with them. But the ease with which this can be done would drastically decrease when it's harder to get legal guns.

Wasn't the shooter in Las Vegas white?

Please tell me more.

Tell me more about how the federal government sold 2,000 firearms in 2009 and only were able to find "a few hundred" after their investigation.

I say that to say this, there will always be illegal guns, I agree with you. But dumb shit like that is also the reason why.

cnn.com/2013/08/27/world/americas/operation-fast-and-furious-fast-facts/index.html

In keeping with the second amendment:

>All guns shall be kept in the local Armory.
>All gun owners may check their weapons out at any time, 24/7, for use in the firing range or sticking up their butts while jacking off, or whatever.
>Proper maintenance and training will get provided by the armory.
>regular marksmanship tests and competitions will be scheduled and members will be encouraged to participate.
>regular mental health sessions will be available with on-site psychologists, and periodic mental health evaluations are mandatory, and will be catered.
>Access to otherwise military-only weapons and machine guns on the range is available, paid for, and encouraged by the US Army.
>Membership will cost a dollar less than your NRA membership used to.
>NRA will be designated an organization of institutional political corruption with undue paid influence and it's members rolled into the Well Regulated Militia membership.
>Death penalty for possession of a firearm, missile, or similar weapon of war outside of the Armory.
>Death penalty for failure to report another's possession of weapons of war outside of the Armory.

If you want to hunt, learn to bow hunt like a man.

>for use in the firing range or sticking up their butts while jacking off

FETISH UNLOCKED

Not sure what argument you're even trying to make here user. Elaborate.

any shithead with a machine shop and a degree from a vocational school can make an automatic weapon. It's time consuming, but not difficult. Its easier than starting a pot crop for trade. If "assault weapons" are no longer legal for purchase, people will just make and sell them on the BM.

Ausfag here. We solved your riddle. Farmers still have guns. Soldiers have guns. Police have guns. Hell, even some criminals have guns. But 99% of crazy people don't. Oh yeah, we have free healthcare too. Lose your ego America and look at other countries for some guidance.

right because there's so much legal heroin, and thats why illegal heroin is so easy to find.

oh, wait...

The user I originally posted to was making the assumption that there are so many illegal guns strictly because there are legal ones owned by law abiding citizens.

I was simply pointing out there are other ways that illegal guns enter this country. Law abiding citizens, follow the law of obtaining and reporting guns.

What I've learned from my local pawn shops is that some of the local gang members who need guns yet can't buy them have their girlfriend of wives buy the guns.

Long story short, if people want to do illegal stuff, they will. You won't stop that. Locks are only good for keeping honest people out of your house.

current or future sitting US president:
>i think i'd like to take over for good.
>hey, military, please do me a favor and seal off every armory in the US. We're solidifying power. Anyone who disagrees with me will be executed and anyone who agrees will get a position of power in our new regime.

'There will be illegal guns' is not an argument. I explained why.

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Kill yourself, faggot.

this guy correctly refuted your argument. illicit drugs are illegal and they are cheaper on the street (cocaine and heroin) than the readily available legal ones being dealt illegally (Aderal, oxy, etc)

You sir, are an idiot.

You're comparing apples and oranges here. I would explain, but I'm pretty sure you're trolling.

you don't need a semi auto rifle for hunting or self defense so it seems like a simple point of agreement would be to ban these sorts of firearms

I own a semi-auto hunting rifle but recognize other people can't handle the freedom and responsibility

>All-access full service gun club, shooting park, + mil spec shit
>vs
>Darkies & psychos w/weapons & the rest of us always on the verge of losing our rights

Would pay.

By that logic, I kind of hope guns become illegal. I just paid $1,200 for my Tavor 21. I'd like to pick it up for around $300-$400.

>Obvious sarcasm is obvious

LARPing faggot..

go back to /fag/

Armories everywhere: oh ok yeah sure we'll go along with that, whatever you say Generals, who we do not answer to.

This guy's pretty much got it.

>there are so many illegal guns strictly because there are legal ones
I never used the word strictly.
>there are other ways that illegal guns enter this country
Sure, but by making guns illegal, you would increase the risk and potential consequences for these people. I'm not sure how the guns' origin matter at all.
>if people want to do illegal stuff, they will.
This is not an argument, I explained why.

>shoot an intruder if he breaks into my house and theaters my family
Are you suggesting that a WOMYN cant do that? This is whats wrong with america today.
We need to take away the guns from white cis m*n, and give them to the real heroes of this world, the womyn.

>says the guy who allows shitskins to infiltrate his country and rape his children at will.
You spineless fucks are pathetic.
Muhammad blows up your kids at the Arian concert and what do you do about? You have another concert....

implying jew guns would ever be popular among american gangs

No matter how retarded you are, its your god given right to own a gun.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia

The majority of canons used by the colonists during the war of independence were owned by civilians.
Your shitty plan goes against the founding concepts.
The entire point of the 2nd is to have weapons that are NOT be controlled by the government.

Yeah? And what about you?
Guy shoots up a country concert killing multiple innocent people and you dont even try to ban country music.

you know, the term "apples and oranges" basically traslates to "meh, it's pretty much the same thing"

Consolidate power? Nigga, if the country had civilian Armories in or near every town people wanted them in, to support the number of NRA members in this country, thered be so many of them and so many people in their ranks, including a hell of a lot of servicemen, there'd be no shutting them down with a mere million man army. Anyway, there'd be no point, they wouldn't even pose a threat to the US Military. The Joint Chiefs would see that base of 50 million plebs with small arms as a resource to draw more potential recruits from, not as another massively outnumbering enemy to blow it's resources fighting futily in some 1940s ground battle here at home. At worst, where it gets out if hand is where factions of armories get upppity and declare themselves sovereign or form factions and fight each other and the US Federal Military needs to be brought in to put it down. That's the worst case scenario, and why it makes more sense to have one big Federal Militia like we have now, and keep you civilians divided amongst yourselves as individuals satisfied with your little pea shooters, where the most damage you can do is go nuts and knock off a few dozen individuals here & there.

>This is not bait. I rally want to hear some decent suggestions.

Bring back mental asylums and lock up, by force if necessary, those who are mentally unstable and create punishments for those who have knowledge of the mentally unstable people around them, but do not turn them into the authorities.

Guns dont kill people. Whackjobs kill people because they are allowed to exist in society.

inb4 someone mentions "but the social stigma"... fuck you. They dont need to worry about the stigma society attaches to them when they will spend the rest of their life locked away from normal functioning people

No, it means they look similar enough to someone who doesn't understand the difference, but in reality they are very different. Congrats, you're a dumbass.

Mental health care is dam near free as it is. Sure you cant go to a $400 an hour shrink, but there are dozens of state facilities all over the place that treat the mentally deficient for free.

The problem isnt "care" the problem is even with care, they are allowed to roam the streets. Its like saying a murderer can walk freely around because he does "victim impact meetings" 3 times a week

>the majority of canons were privately owned
>therefore by "Well Regulated Militia" they meant "Completely Unregulated Individuals"
>U can't into muh superior NRA talking point logic

You have never read the Federalist Papers or any of the works of the people who created and wrote your rights. Bringing them up is a mistake.

>buyback guns
>ban sale of guns like most other developed countries

that simple, idiot. fuck your "rights"

Your argument falls apart when governments backed institutions start saying that it is mentally deranged to want a gun. Then it becomes a circular argument.

Guns must be locked in a safe, if you need a gun in your night stand etc that's fine but if it's stolen/used in a crime/toddler shoots self you'll get a charge and may lose the right to own one. If you own a gun your responsible for it within reason.

>Kids steals gun from parents
>Does school shooting
>Parents responsible

What's wrong with this?

Try living in the middle of nowhere. Where my brother lives a 911 call to the police will get a deputy at your house in roughly an hour to an hour and a half depending on what he was doing and where.

Not everyone lives 5 minutes away from a suburban police station

don't bring the big picture into this
let angry armed morons stay small and powerless

>more slippery slopes
>omg, what if the gubbermint declares everyone with a tank a menace to society and bans tanks
>how will I hunt

>why are we so scared as a country
Could be the 24/7 news channels that constantly spew out scary stories about terrorism and other things you should be scared of simply because fear sells.

Fellow Ausfag here, IMH any suggestion that we've somehow solved gun crime is a bit overstated, if u were to watch our news u'd see that ppl here still get shot all the time.

That is very incorrect. A lot of classes of people have no right to firearms. One of them is owning a firearm

I have taken deer with .223. Nice heart shot from 125yds with a Vortex Spitfire AR sight. There are .223 bullets that are heavier and can do the job. Your thoughts that the only hunting rounds are 30-06 and 300 mag is idiotic.

psychiatric evaluation, that u pay for
background check
only for adults

Firstly, there is settled case law that says trigger locks and mandatory safes/storage laws are unconstitutional. You can enact no law that limits access to a firearm

Firearms and the 2nd Amendment have zero to do with hunting. People who use the "hunting" line are either ignorant or trolling. Which are you?

Fun fact. More babies were killed with abortions during the Vegas shooting than people actually killed in the Vegas shooting. But no one cares about that.

based on that u get a license. If u dont have a license and get caught with guns - jail

You cant associate large fees with firearm ownership as it limits the poor and indigents rights. If you want background checks, mental health screening, etc, that all must be paid for by the Government

Who cares about babies. The more we abort the better.

You're an idiot. People could go get mental help now, and the issue is pretty much never the money. It's that people who need the help don't go and no one forces them to unless it's really bad and they do something in public that forces it. If some degree of psych testing was mandatory at the very least like how a physical is necessary for most jobs, then that might be a start.

What suprises me, is the logic that pro-guns have on protecting yourself.

If someone breaks into your house, it is most likely to steal stuff, would you rather end up in a fight to the death - and either be killed or become a killer, or would you just let them get that TV or whatever and get the money back from you insurrance?

i didnt say they should be very large and no, it doesnt have to be paid by the government, like its not government, that pays for your driving course

Ridiculing them, you illiterate moron.

Pic related would solve it.

I mean, 1000+ people shooting back at the hotel woulda been a bigger disaster, but i agree in essence.

That is apparently the current mood of the country. Fuck babies. Fuck handgun crime in Chicago. Lets focus on 1 incident where a statistically tiny portion of deaths FOR THAT HOUR occurred.

More fun facts. More people are shot in Chicago in a month than died in Vegas. More people died in traffic accidents in the same time period as were killed in Vegas. And lastly, twice as many people commit suicide every day than died in Vegas.

I have come to the conclusion that there will never be a way to prevent mass murders. This is nothing new. Mass murders have been going on as long as humans have existed. People will always find a way to fuck shit up and if murdering tons of people is their motive then they will make it happens. Regardless of the availability of firearms. I am grateful that I live in the US where I can own legally own guns and a majority of people agree that guns are considered a right. I'd rather live in a world where guns were legal and I could properly arm myself against psychos, than a world where guns were illegal, and the only people who had them were criminals.

If you come into my home to take my property, you made me a "killer" I didnt make that decision. You made if for me.

Driving isnt a God given Constitutional right

If u think it's really that simple then u're incredibly naïve; "fuck (ppl's) rights"? Wow, nice...

America is an empire in decline, and no amount of petty legislative action or piecemeal social engineering can negate the rampant cultural pessimism that is a natural outgrowth of the bankruptcy of the narrative of the American exceptionalism, which has been basically falsified since 9/11.

The show is over, and the display of blood and soil nationalism we're seeing under trump is the undeniable proof of it. So much screaming into the abyss. Meaningless mass shootings only happen in meaningless societies. We did it to ourselves.

The owl of Minerva flies at dusk.

Didn't know that user

So what about the other scenario, your responsible for crimes committed by your weapon within reason. If someone steals your gun from your unlocked car, murders someone with it shouldn't you be held accountable to a degree? Some type of negligence charge with the possibility of losing the right to own guns? Just curious

Yeah sure, but you make it sound so trivial. Of course they're fucking idiots, probably driven by need for drug money or whatever.

But how would you feel afterwards, would it be easy for you to live wit that?

You know gun control wont stop the killing.
As long as there are people murder will happen.
I say fight fire with fire, lets kill everyone

neither is having guns

psychology needs more neuroscience in it to back it up

I could sleep. I didnt hurt someone who didnt deserve it and I in fact could have saved the next poor victim the scumbag would have targeted. Do I WANT to? Fuck no, but I didnt want to wake up this morning for work either. A lot of life is just doing what needs to be done regardless of how you feel about it

Not sure if bait or actually retarded, but well done.