Sup Forums is too butthurt to give an actual argument (fat...

Sup Forums is too butthurt to give an actual argument (fat, sweaty white Trump-lovers are easily triggered) and prefer to project insecurities in cuck threads, so time for a new board.

So why don't you guys try to? How do you respond to this?

Owning guns is a right as a citizen.
Healthcare is not a right.
Add Healthcare to the Constitution and I'll defend it too.
Also, rights don't exist if you need a piece of paper or a government to enforce them, so the premise is a joke anyways.

well yea individuals buy guns. universal health care means the people have to pay for other medical cost.

>we want healthcare like x countries
>refuses to live in those countries to experience what it is they are really preaching for
>instead continue to blindly believe demos are saints and repubs are demons

Cause we don't need more people living longer you fucking cunt. We need people dying.
You want the entire world looking like new York City without power and also its hot as shit cause we release so many toxins in the ozone?
We need people to die. Guns facilitate that.

>implying something comes from nothing
>implying your owed others' something
>implying guns and healthcare are tied by scaling relevance to the times

You don't get full-auto, rocket launchers, or even non-nuclear missiles for free. Long story short, it should cost but could be lowered and the national debt should be reduced to 0.

Democrats believe in censorship and restricting rights.
[anime image]
But not in freedom and liberty

Tell you what, give us full auto, no hughes ammendment, lynch every member of the atf, and don't tell me what guns I can and cannot buy and I'll gladly pay for universal health care. Hell, I'd support extra taxation for homeless Healthcare if I could get proper guns

>nation debt should be reduced to 0
Holy fuck my sides, I can't tell if he is baiting me or if this autistic retard never went to college

The right to own an object and the "right" to a service are completely different.

2nded

>implying that national programs couldn't have their accounts and debts divided up to those that wanted to participate in them

b8 isn't mine, its how the system is rigged

tldr: Amerifats think its more important to make it easier to kill other people/themselves than it is to actively prevent the same.

Wait, republicans are trying to start up some sort of socialized system for providing guns to every citizen who applies for them at taxpayer expense?

sure kid
what argument? you're just whining like all the others

Freedom to keep and bear arms doesn't mean the government has to buy you guns and ammo.

A right is a natural right and isn't dependent on another person's actions. I don't need anyone else to give me the ability to speak freely.

implying college makes you smart

yawn

obviously the only thing that'll make you smarter is dying and coming back as a faggots 2 sided dildo

thank you for proving my point.

When a country believed that guns are more important or a right over health, there's something really fucked up in that country

When a country believes in mass importation of retarded rape machines over the self defense of its native people, there's something really fucked up in that country

>native people
KEK are you that stupid? the white's aren't even the original native people and I'm a 100% white supporter against all forms of mudblood niggers

>disgunnaBgud.jpg

Here comes the flood of "The gubment says I can have guns so I'm stockpiling shitloads of guns to protect myself from the gubment." and "I don't want none of my taxes to help no poor people or niggers!"

>Snowflake
Grow up.

Basically this.
Asshat who uses constitution to determine right v wrong in every setting rather than moral, ethical and pragmatic insight to situations not thinking of exceptions to rules, regulations and common sense things. IE stupid.
Missing a fundamental purpose of government.
Trump zombie detected. College doesn’t make you smart but correlations between IQ and academic achievement exists with moderate correlation. You’re more likely to be smart.


If you voted for Trump and still support him and think the Republican Party as a whole isn’t cancer then you’ll be written off as crap 50 years from now and should have your right to vote taken away. Good day faggots.

What I hate is when you're taking a shit, I mean like a Nagasaki-level Flood-the-fucking-bowl shit and one speckle of feces decides to do a decent swimmer's dive and send water directly up your butthole, which causes it to get stuck there for such a long period of time that you don't have to poop anymore. That sucks.

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Who were the native people of Sweden then?

You stupid nigger mother fucker!

>There's been FREE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IN THE US SINCE 1947, YOU DUMB FUCK!

I pay for my own guns..I'll pay for my own healthcare. Everyone should.

What point would that be, exactly?

I am ZeroDebt user

> moderate correlation
that

Government regulated health care is just worse quality. Last month Japan announced a new requirement for body fat content. If you're overweight according to their definition, there is mandatory consoling and potentially fines for your employer. Because firing productive members of the economy seems smart, but that's a government for you. You will see any activity that they label as 'self destructive' give them exemptions from providing you care.

I think I love you. You may be one of the few intelligent people on this board. Thank God for you user!

answer this
and give your thoughts on

wow, I never thought of it that way

Nice work user, I'm sure no one will see through that samefag

pay for it yourself you fucking leech, just like I have to

he praise's his intelligence, then thanks an invisible god.... literally counter to that intelligence

The constitution is an attempt to respect natural laws, in terms of the 'social contract' that people forge to forgo abject freedom and gain more security.

That said, abandoning it for "moral" and "pragmatic" solutions of the modern age is bullshit since natural laws don't change.

That said, the ability to amend it was because the forefathers didn't think they where the end all of political foresight.

Who cares? We're talking about why we should have universal healthcare in the United States. Fuck Sweden.

we both know you're living in a basement, I wouldn't be surprised if you were fucking ogre chan and we caught you in between digging and expansion

>US doesn't have universal healthcare

>liberals are too stupid to know the system

US has one of the best healthcare systems in the world, EVERYONE gets treated, but people who can afford it get priority. I make $600k/year with my doctorate in mathematics, I'm not going to sit 6 hours in an emergency room with a broken arm because some minimum wage faggot shot himself with a gun.

yawn
so smart then why are you here.

Last time I checked, tax payers aren't obligated to buy you a gun. Now fuck off back to /r/eddit.

sure kid

This

People don't understand a hospital had to keep you alive. They legally have to treat you. But they also know what will and won't kill you and will hope your non-insured ass will go home after 14hrs in the er waiting room

Two wrongs don't make one right. But I suppose you don't have a better argument.

Here.

You have the right to own a gun, just like you have the right to buy healthcare. The government isn't required to give you a gun just like it isn't required to spend $15000 removing dragon dildos from your ass.

sure kid

sure kid

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Also America is 1/3 O B E S E .... You genius.

I'm saying, no country is perfect. You either got the rape tourists in Sweden but free Healthcare, or the guns for keeping you safe and having to pay for your health. As it should be

>Not knowing the difference between Medicare and Medicaid
>make a meme and look like an idiot

Nobody has any right to another persons work. Healthcare is a service someone can offer, you have no right to force other people to use their abilities without ample pay. Universal healthcare can therefore never be a right

Guns on the other hand do not require someone elses work so it is a right you can have

>US has one of the best healthcare systems in the world

>tfw

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because they dont want to pay for abortions, birth control, care for 27 niglets from j'marcus and ladashuh, while they got to the doctor once a year themselves yet have to pay hundreds of dollars a month in payroll deductions because of your gay fucking (((universal healthcare))). it only benefits the worst parts of society while hurting the middle class, the blue collar jobs. go be a nigger somewhere else.

Looks like I care?

People don't realize that when people go-to the hospital and never pay their bill guess who pays for it anyway? You. People who have health insurance. Your already paying for other people, that's how insurance works

It does. You just need money to access it.

>Owning guns is a right as a citizen.
>Healthcare is not a right.
but WHYYYY

Honestly it’s because when I shoot a niggerfaggot I want him to stay dead, but upon thinking about your argument, sure bring them back. I’m only going to enjoy shooting all them niggerfaggots the second time anyways

Well guns are cheap compared to cancer treatment and the forefathers didn’t have X-ray machines

>Nobody has the right another person's work.

Hurrdurr Ranydian fantasy.

Sooooo, you don't believe that nation's should have militaries then? Because who are you to say that some poor SOB should do your work of defending the homeland?

It may have some of the best healthcare in the world, I'm not debating that. I disagree with your assertion that it has one of the best systems in the world.

But wouldn’t birth control and childcare all help the niglets from apeing out?

You do realize there is more to healthcare than cancer treatment, right?

because, little faggot, you must learn to pay for some things on your own

otherwise we can say everything is a right. food, shelter, phones, internet, cars

you must work and provide for yourself. the government is not handing out free guns to citizens

Living healthy is a choice.
Gun ownership is a choice.
There are circumstances that can occur beyond our choices such as birth defects or a madman who stole a shotgun.

Reason why free healtcare is even thought about at all is because of freeloading hippies attending college with a limited drive for success are raised to believe they are the next generation and deserve an easy ride fir attemtping to "educate" themselves.

These same kids advocate for the removal of american labor and reduction in related job wages while promoting irrelevant degrees.

>ignores the fact that universal healthcare is in the long run cheaper than medicare and medicaid

Republicans believe that you should pay for your health care, just like you pay for your guns. How's that for equality?

>You must learn to pay for things on your own.

Every freedom costs something, numbnuts. Do you think when the police protect your parade route when you have "Support X" parade that they are volunteers? Free speech costs something. If your argument is "you have to pay for it so it's not a right" what right is magically free?

Yeah but I’m just mentioning a moderately expensive one as an example, but yeah anaesthesiology, neurology etc are all super expensive. All of medicine is expensive is my point.

If you want socialism though..

yes numbnuts, you are starting to realize

there are no rights, its a made up concept

That is why everybody should be in the military.

This is also about whether or not healthcare is a right. It isn't, neither is police or firefighters, they are services that the state offers, just like universal healthcare could be and are in societies that are better than the US. We make it work in Scandinavia, because we aren't selfish and entitled shirlords like the Americans

>All of medicine is expensive
No it's not.

Americans think poor people deserve to die since they can't access healthcare. Same 'ol same 'ol.

> ignores the fact that europe should pay for america's health insurence
> because i say so/have rights

You're right. I forgot that people in the military don't get paid and aren't defending their own homeland too. Silly me.

Shitty little meme picture is fundamentally wrong.
Citizens have a right to PURCHASE guns.
Citizens have the right to PURCHASE health care.
Stop being retarded now.

Freedom to guns = protection. Say for instance youre in a natural disasters. Here come the looters. Bring out the guns.

Free healthcare= having to pay for someone elses shit cause they dont have their life together.

I neither have a gun or have my shit together as far as insurance and healthcare. I would never want someone else to pay for it cause i make bad decisons.

Because there is no such thing a natural right. The enforcement of a right is government service paid for via taxes. So you can side step the the "is it a right or not" argument entirely, because a right is whatever most people think it is.

As I said, you don't have a better argument than "Everyone is fucked, then I'm not so fucked".

Not ignoring anything my good sir. I agree universal healthcare is feasible in the right way. This guy is retarded for example.

Just stating that the government would have to adopt the cost really, not sure how to shuffle thing around to make it feasible, I ad,it I do t understand the intricacies as much as I could or should

Sure it isn’t.

You try and convince a surgeon to take a pay cut, it doesn’t work

So as long as doctors get paid, then people have a right to health care?

Stay mad

Not an argument.

Sure. So how we gonna pay for it? Same way we pay for the military? Where are we going to make the necessary changes to pay for it? Who is going to have to pay more into the system?

Fuming, cunt. Fucking fuming.

You could cook a cunt on my cock I’m that hot from what you just said to me

>if your income is below the poverty line

And what if you make just enough money to be above the poverty line but don't have insurance? Your benefits haven't kicked in? You can't afford to take time off work?

It is. You cant sell an idea. You have nothing to bring other than name calling

>$700 billion military budget
>crumbling infrastructure
>#1 leading cause of bankruptcy in US is medical bills

This thread perfectly describes Americans and why they'll never have anything nice. Retards would rather watch their own mother's die and lose her house etc because at least it's not muh socialism

That implies that any person has any given right, which they do not

If you take away guns, then people can't defend themselves, hunt, or just have fun shooting bottles. Adding wait periods or requiring permits does nothing because murderers will either go through them and commit the murders anyways, or get the guns illegally or from the black market or a friend/family member, which makes the gun control methods useless. It's a right.

As far as healthcare goes, it is not a right, and the ACA is a bandaid fix to what is really wrong. I think the ACA is slightly more reasonable than letting a few healthcare companies run the show with ridiculous rates, but there's a better solution. That's to get government out of healthcare entirely (they were there before), and go back to the system we had in the 60s when healthcare was affordable, and there wasn't massive monopolies on it jacking up the rates.

We get about one mass shooting every year, it's not like it's an epidemic where crazies are just gunning people and police officers down in major cities every week. Hell, most of these guys wouldn't last a second against trained gun owners or military/police personnel because they can't aim well at all. They just rely on the volume of fire and that no one will be able to stop them. They also pick areas people can't concealed carry weapons in to conduct these shootings.

In order to get medical care you have to visit a person. That person is working. You are not entitled to someone elses labor. We have an amendment against that in our constitution.

Name one time socialism worked well