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>broncos that high up with a terrible offense overall and regressing defense ehh...
Hunter Clark
>each season >Cowboys high superbowl odds any time before 2014 outside of the 2007 year someones new
Jayden Allen
Tied for second dumbass
Landon Murphy
>Cuckboys even winning a single playoff game
Hudson Walker
>cowboys lose all defense >somehow below New England and above 5 teams better than them
hmm.....!!!
Kayden Gonzalez
thats even worse
Oliver Thompson
>mfw Jerruh is going to trade Romo last minute to some sucker for a first round pick like the Eagles did Bradford
Now we just pray for some faggot to get injured and we're gold.
Jordan Mitchell
>Toxins that high when their best possible QB option is Tony Homo
Isaiah Jones
>giants 18/1
Zachary Nguyen
>cowshits that high Pure delusion for a team that won't even win a playoff game. If they even make it there.
Adrian Ramirez
>shedding off your shitty, injured, and old secondary
>bad
If the Cowboys resigned those bums I'd fucking riot. Only one I'd be willing to see stay was Wilcox and that's it.
David White
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Colton Jones
t. buccs fags projecting
Jaxon Anderson
>cut corners who were average at worst >replace with rivals WORST secondary player >giants and eagles proceed to sign more receivers >b-b-but..
+ol o _
Parker White
>cowboys should have resigned mediorce secondary to bloated contracts even though there was cap space issues Not even the Browns are that stupid
Mason Brooks
Carrol is insurance if they don't get a CB in the draft.
The Cowboys already have replacement players they'd already drafted and signed waiting in the wings. Like Heath who's taking over SS. He's the guy that picked off Rodgers twice and the refs took away one.
Christian Scott
see Don't be a casual. Also the Eagles and Giants signing big WRs was even more reason to let those guys go and get someone in the draft >cut corners who were average at worst Uh no sweetie, they were average at best. Maybe the discord is more your place, it's typically where the casuals meme, more your speed. There is a link in the OP for you :)
Logan Smith
McKelvin's not on the Cowboys m8
Xavier Williams
Objective Division Hierarchies(Super Bowl Era)
1. Cowboys 2. Giants 3. Redskins 4. Eagles
1. 49ers 2. Rams 3. Seahawks 4. Cardinals
1. Packers 2. Bears 3. Vikings 4. Lions
1. Buccaneers 2. Saints 3. Falcons 4. Panthers
1. Patriots 2. Dolphins 3. Jets 4. Bills
1. Steelers 2. Ravens 3. Bengals 4. Browns
1. Broncos 2. Raiders 3. Chiefs 4. Chargers
1. Colts 2. Titans 3. Jaguars 4. Texans
Angel Evans
>Cowboys delusion reaches its peak coincidentally when there is no football being played REALLY makes me think
Landon Murphy
>cowboys not wanting to overpay for mediocre to bad secondary is now delusional Eagles fans everyone
Jace Morales
Doesn't make the cowboys a top 5 contender losing talent in a receiver heavy division.
If you traded romo and kept at least ONE decent corner and signed better players you could've argued otherwise.
Luke Cruz
Have we reached a point where Cowboy haters are as delusional as Hillary Supporters?
I think so
Jack Hall
>projecting i think a team that didn't win a single playoff game last year, still has secondary as a major weakness, is deluded enough to think that someone is going to trade a 1st round pick for tony homo, and thinks they are the favorite for the owl is pretty delusional. but yeah, you can pretend it's cuz muh claiborne or whatever.
Grayson Phillips
>Doesn't make the cowboys a top 5 contender losing talent in a receiver heavy division. >losing talent >talent >Carr and Claiborne >talent
They can literally get 1 playmaking CB in a draft that is loaded with DBs and have a potentially better secondary than last year.
Jaxon Murphy
>gets btfo in the discord and thread >nowhere left to shitpost
Leave tiki, nobody likes you.
Josiah Ortiz
They're reaching pretty hard. They're literally mad Jerry did something smart instead of overpaying for busts again.
Levi Ward
interesting, a couple months ago carr and claiborne were the best CBs on the cowboys. i wonder what changed?
Luke Peterson
Well vegas has them tied for 2nd behind the patriots so the delusional one is most likely you :)
>still has a secondary as a major weaknss Was a major weakness going into 2016 but Marinelli who is one of the best defensive minded coaches in the NFL got mediocre secondary to be one of the best redzone secondaries with one of the best man on man coverages in the league
Can't wait to see who we get in the Draft. Probably get Sidney Jones in a steal in the 2nd
Eli Gray
Steelers lost to the eventual SB champ in the divisional playoff round the past two seasons, and are bringing back basically the same roster plus DUDE WEED Bryant. Why wouldn't they have high odds?
Christopher Thomas
What receivers? A 30 year old past his prime WR that's about as good as Victor Cruz was?
Redskins are so bad in other areas they haven't improved as a whole at all.
Ryder Diaz
>no rebuttal for me except memes >no actual arguement against me
>t-tiki b-btfo Discord is for casuals and memery. Best place for someone like you ;)
Christopher Turner
>the cowboys are gonna draft good I swear! >drafts a RUNNINGBACK high the year before runningbacks are deep in the draft >cut best corners and have nobody in the secondary
MY SIDES
Jackson Thomas
If you're the best of something bad, does that make you good? Because Carrol was the Eagles' best CB and Eagles fans know he's not that good.
Jaxon Scott
*conference round last year, divisional round 2 years ago
Isaac James
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Mason Brooks
lmao sidney jones won't even be able to play in 2017, he's not a steal in the 2nd. do you draft homework better.
Jayden Kelly
Now this is just fucking awful.
0/10, apply yourself
Sebastian Gonzalez
Larping cowshit detected
Carrol was the worst eagles corner
Xavier Gomez
>the cowboys are gonna draft bad I swear!!! >Zeke was a BUST >Cut Best (Mediocre) corners is baaaaad!
>Cowboys fans always bring up the Eagles boogeyman >Hillary supporters always bring up the Russia boogeyman both are so far up their ass and honestly believe their shit doesn't stink
Hudson Hernandez
>makes delusional uninsightful post >anyone who disagrees is a memer
Okay tiki
Jason Green
Jaylon Smith was considered a steal despite his injury if he would be coming back at full strength. Same thing could happen with Jones ;^) Risk will be worth the reward especially if he drops considerably and falls into the Cowboys
Leo Kelly
>Saying cutting mediocre players who would have cost way to much is delusional >calling out the lack of rebuttal and only the memes anons are considering disagreement >wanting to build in a draft that is heavy at DB is delusional
Okay user. Im still waiting on a rebuttal that isn't gradeschool tier though
Angel Clark
He's rated as the best or tied with the best by every non homer article I can find about him and the Eagles from last year.
Blake Fisher
completely different scenarios. smith was a linebacker and his injury was different than jones', plus LB wasn't a position of need for the cowbous with sean lee. with an achilles you often never get the speed back that you once had, and jones wasn't that a fast of a guy to begin with.
for someone who's calling everyone in here who disagrees with you a casual, thinking the cowboys should waste a 2nd round pick on jones in a draft absolutely filled with DB talent is almost comically casual. malcolm jenkins playing slot corner was the only eagle to play well at corner last year. carroll was shit like everyone else.
Adrian Baker
>wasting a high draft pick on a RB in 2016 isn't stupid
Cowboys fans, everyone.
Aaron Morales
You people do realize the Cowboys are no longer in WIN NOW mode like they were with Romo?
They're planning for the future and being smart by not overpaying old and often injured secondaries and sticking to building through the draft.
How could you possibly not understand this? Everything changed when they got Dak and Zeke, then confirmed it when they decided to get rid of Romo.
Joshua Morales
Wideout is more important than slot in CB ability. The fact he was the slot shows he's not good enough to be a wideout and can be replaced in nickel formation by another DB.
Dylan Lee
>completely different scenarios. smith was a linebacker and his injury was different than jones', Then if it's too serious the Cowboys won't go for him. Still plenty of other DBs
>plus LB wasn't a position of need for the cowbous with sean lee It still kind of was Sean Lee was doing everything by himself. McClain was having problems, the other draft prospects were having problems or being injured. LB was still a need at the time.
Eli Nelson
>claiming solid corners are mediocre to save face because your front office is retarded and will lose the division to the giants again
The only decent corner drafted in 3 years is Bryon Jones who was transitioned to safety. Last year you could've taken 2-3 corners high and taken any runningback to play behind an elite offensive line. Use your fucking brain.
Ayden Sanchez
malcolm jenkins is a safety, he shouldn't be playing corner at all. my point was that the eagles cornerbacks were awful last year, possibly the worst group in the league.
Ryder Rodriguez
>cowboys are moving on without romo but they didn't cut him before his contract would effect the team and could sign better players
Really made me think..
John Long
>solid corners Dude stop. Carr had like 1 interception in 3 years. The only thing he was solid on was health. Claiborne had missed 33 out of 80 games.
The Cowboys didn't have solid corners. They played solid in 2016 because of Marinelli. And considering the deals they got on other teams, if cowboys had signed them to that they would be in an even worse spot now. The only argument you have on keeping them is chemistry and knowing the scheme. That's it.
Barry Church was the only FA that left that should have been resigned.
Easton Butler
I predicted this the other day and I still think Revis would be a good addition if Butler was traded for the 11th overall.
There's the point. The Cowboys aren't looking to sign FAs. They're looking to build in the draft and feel they can get a price for Romo after a set amount of time, teams always get desperate for a QB after training camp.
Jaxon Rodriguez
ONly reason to even cut him was for that whole "Do Right by Tony" thing Jerry was talking about before last season ended.
There was no advantage to just cutting Romo even with his contract. Before Dak Cowboys had already planned on keeping him through 2017 anyway. Besides they literally just restructered 2 contracts which freed up Romos contract and put Cowboys under cap space anyway.
No downside to holding out for a Romo trade
Gavin Butler
Both played healthy last season, what a coincidence your defensive stats significantly improved with good corners.
>interceptions are how corners are graded >calling anyone a casual
Lmao, I said you should've kept at least one of them. Claiborne was more talented imo.
Nobody is trading for an injured 36yo QB not familiar with any system outside the Cowboys
Holyshit we just went through this in FA
Luis Reed
teams completed 72.7% of their passes for a 106.7 passer rating, 33 TDs, and 10 INTs against detroit last season. that's an all-pro season on average for a QB passing against detroit. have they done ANYTHING to improve their secondary or linebacker corps this offseason?
Cooper Peterson
>no downside >wasting millions in cap for a player nobody wants
Josiah Fisher
>Both played healthy last season Carr did, Claiborne only played 7 games. >what a coincidence your defensive stats significantly improved with good corners. What happened in 2015 then? Remember all of us were saying the Cowboys mediocre secondary is only good when the Cowboys dominant offense was keeping them off the field. That is not a good enough reason to resign them to contracts they aren't worth when Cowboys were already teetering on the edge of no Cap Space.
You still haven't provided a good reason on retaining them. Why is last year everyone but me was saying Cowboys would have a shit secondary but there I was saying "if cowboys offense plays like it is designed to they could quietly be a top 10 secondary with Marinelli"
Anthony Brown already replaces Claiborne played more games than him and played better than him. Nolan Carroll can be mediocre all he wants he is in my opinion comparable to Carr at least in that he isn't injured much. Heath played well and will take over Wilcox spot. Barry Church spot needs to be addressed though in the draft
All the Cowboys need is 1 good CB pick and they will be a better defense on paper than last year
Charles Nguyen
>Nobody is trading for an injured 36yo QB not familiar with any system outside the Cowboys Maybe not, there is still a June 1st cut. But Broncos and Houston certainly cleared room for him, they could get desperate. Lets see what happens.
Colton Baker
>Claiborne was more talented imo. He was more talented but he was also more injured. It's why Jets only gave him a 1 year.
better to move on and land someone in the draft to replace him for the better
Julian Martinez
Romo is high IQ vet and can play in any system, Jesus Christ you're amateur hour.
Jayden Price
>Lmao, I said you should've kept at least one of them. Claiborne was more talented imo. I missed this part, sorry. Maybe in hindsight for at least depth purposes but Carroll fills that role. Not a big loss that they both left though like a lot of people are claiming
Ryder Hernandez
>Remember all of us were saying the Cowboys mediocre secondary is only good when the Cowboys dominant offense was keeping them off the field.
And what will happen instead of having average corners you have nothing? You're missing my point.
Whether the cowboys kept or cut them didn't matter if you cut romo and signed a better corner in free agency, or potentially paid Claiborne a one year contract to play opposite whoever you signed/drafted.
Rookies aren't fixing all your problems, especially when you're facing top 10 receivers with good QBs 4 times in your division.
Owen Gomez
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Jayden Roberts
curse is real
Thomas Ross
>Browns have 200/1 odds
Hope people are ready for more analytical, meme-ball.
Luis Bennett
>nd what will happen instead of having average corners you have nothing? what do you mean nothing? Is there not a draft coming up that is loaded at corners and stuff?
>igned a better corner in free agency Other than Sherman what where the big CB FAs? honest question Cowboys need to get younger at secondary. And elite players don't enter free agency. Of course you have some takign the approach that you can build through FA, but thats not how the Cowboys have done it. They've been successful just plugging holes through FA and building core through the draft.
>or potentially paid Claiborne a one year contract to play opposite whoever you signed/drafted. But what if Claiborne had gotten injured. I will agree with you that Cowboys should have kept at least 1 of their CBs, and considering the deal Claiborne got he would have probably been the better choice.
>Rookies aren't fixing all your problems, especially when you're facing top 10 receivers with good QBs 4 times in your division. Neither is retaining CBs who aren't playmakers that could have trouble with those Top 10 type of recievers and were asking for either too much money, or were just not worth the risk. Not sure why a rookie wouldn't be able to fix problems though. Dak, Zeke, and Byron Jones certainly fixed a lot of problems their first year. So did Fredrick, Martin, and Smith. Give the Cowboys a bit more credit in drafting a day 1 starter that makes an impact at CB through the draft.
Asher Kelly
Carroll is worse, dude was a plague on the eagles.
Dominic Jackson
How did the eagles do in this category I'm curious
William Roberts
>he isn't putting a cheeky hundo on the Browns
Gabriel Bell
>It's a tiki thread
Adrian Watson
Not going to argue with you there. Don't get it wrong though Cowboys didn't sign him to be a starter. He is most likely going to be depth and plug and play in the many Nickel Formations Cowboys run. But if he can be reignited in Marinellis scheme then im all for it.
Bentley Rodriguez
Bob Quinn literally is building up the Lions lines from the trenches and his FA signings are being considered some of the best done for a team right now
Alexander Diaz
please win the nfc east next season
it's bad enough my team is going to be trash, I don't want to see the iggles or gnats be successful.
Nathaniel Price
Sherman wasn't a free agent.
Butler Bouye Boykin Gilmore Ryan Kirkpatrick Flowers Shields? Verner Cooper
Some of those guys are still available
>They've been successful just plugging holes through FA and building core through the draft
And corner is a big hole that could be smaller.
>But what if Claiborne had gotten injured Thus the one year contract, similar to what he is paid now I guess.
>Not sure why a rookie wouldn't be able to fix problems though.
You lost 4 secondary players, you can't expect to replace more than 2 in the draft. Releasing romo and signing a big corner to play elite receivers would've saved trouble.
Mason Perry
60.2% completion, 25 TDs 16 INT, 85.7 passer rating but the starting LB is still paul worrilow (?) and they have garbage for corners outside slay. i like what bob quinn has done so far, but it seems to me that the team's glaring weakness, aside from the running game, has yet to really be addressed.
Matthew Murphy
Gonna be a battle between giants and cowboys for division leader both are gonna be double digit wins Giants offense is gonna score fast and sit back, gotta keep Eli healthy behind that shit line and no RB. Even last year that type of offense gave the Cowboys trouble and if they can't get a playmaker in the secondary they might not win the division.
Jaxon Bennett
>Pro tip: You can't
Jacob Lopez
>You lost 4 secondary players yes but they signed one and have Anthony Brown moving into starter spot this year. Jeff Heath played well when he got more play time and will be taking over Wilcox spot. The Barry Church spot does need to be addressed, but like you said can't expect to replace more than 2 in the draft. Drafting a playmaker CB and a safety will do it and if they are good picks that is a potential better secondary than last year.
Jordan Foster
name 3 things that could stop them
Ryan Flores
why is Luke Mccown even in the league still
hes not one of the good vet backups like hoyer or fitzpatrick and hes over 35.
Jordan Taylor
I'm glad Peterson is getting treated like a cancer by the league but if teams out there could have Charles and Peterson in the backfield why wouldn't they? I mean I can think of almost 10 teams where one of those guys would make sense. its gotta be the money right?
Jeremiah Powell
they're both huge injury risks, past their prime, and in the case of peterson he's hugely limited as to what he can actually do on the field.
someone will take a flyer on charles, but he hasn't played meaningful football in quite some time. in a draft with this many quality RBs, it makes no sense to give either of them anything more than the vet minimum imo.
Jaxson Johnson
Both those guys have nothing left
why try to squeeze out something of a veteran rb when this draft is loaded out the ass with talent and it's a young man position.
Caleb Powell
>if they are good picks that is a potential better secondary than last year
can't know how they'll turn out, had they drafted corner last season to play behind Carr and Claiborne on contract years the cowboys would be in a much better position going into free agency and the draft.
David Mitchell
>he hasn't played meaningful football in quite some time
Chiefs buried him on the depth chart after tweaking his knee
Cooper Long
oh I was thinking the opposite bam. we got our power RB to run it up the gut if we have some decent blocking. now we can save a draft pick or at least leverage it to picking up a RB in the 7th now.
I think either of those guys with good blocking would still be dangerous. but also fuck peterson.
Austin Phillips
So without being cancer about the anthem or his hypocritical af stance about voting. What ya'll think of Colin Kap reupping with the 49'ers?
I think he's worth another shot, I mean who else are they gonna go out and get, and why go out and get someone good during a rebuild?
I think he's perfect desu, they can give him a lowball contract and if he doesn't accept it's w/e, and i he does accept a 2 year lowball contract he can play and we can see what he can do and if it's possible he could be the QB longterm solution that's great just give him a better contract after that period and as the team starts to get more talent/picks around him
Josiah Long
sort of my point. his knees are almost viewed as a ticking time bomb now, and his explosiveness was what made him so good. honestly if the eagles signed him for the veteran minimum, i'd be fine with it. but i don't think he can be the lead back anymore, and i would certainly still want to draft a back.