Opinions on electric car?

Do you thinks it's gonna become necessary to have one since the oil is gonna die?
Do you want to get BTFO in gas stations when you'll find out there is no more oil and electric car fags will look at you and laugh?

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Superior speed, safety, fuel, maintenance. Oil is never going to die you're stupid. Electric cars will eventually be the norm anyway though because battery technology will become so cheap throughout time.

government will just figure out another way to jew you

if you hate arabs you should support electric cars instead of oil ones

tbqh famalam battery technology could be better if it wasnt undermined. Until those petrolfucks find another way to profit this much , we are stuck with oil.

If charging up my car didn't take three centuries, I would heavily consider buying one

>8 hours of sleep
>8 hours of work
>minimum of 16 hours a day during which to charge your car

a literal non-issue

It's not necessary, it will just be superior.

Pretty much every aspect of an electric motor is superior to an ICE (internal combustion).

The only advantage of ICE is the higher energy density of fossil fuels. The advance of battery technology fixes that and makes combustion shit.

Electric is the future. Even combustion based cars are putting in electric engines to reduce turbo lag.

It's hard gay, but I don't hate people for wanting to try it out.

One actually good idea that came along was using electric cars as a house battery in case the electrical grid went down.

Good idea but is not going to kill oil companies. Natural gas will be used to generate electricity, and oil electrical plant capacity will grow.

>Time to fuel a car with petrol that can go 300+ miles: 5 minutes
>Time to charge a car that can go 100 miles if that: 12 hours
>non-issue

electric cars are stupid. atleast here they are. -30 degrees celcius and you wont get far with it.
hydrogen, ethanol and methanol are better alternatives.

>The advance of battery technology fixes that
Lithium is the lightest metal. The kWh/kg you can get from a battery will never match the energy density of organic compounds. You will always be bound by charging at a rate proportional to the capacity of the battery. I can fill my 90 L tank of fuel in 90 seconds.

It will reduce oil consumption by a lot. Currently like 2/3rds of oil goes towards transport.

Not everyone lives with a desk job.
Not everyone stays home on the weekend.
Not everyone stays home on holidays.
Not everyone has a charging point near their place of work.

Electric cars have better acceleration and seem to be the ones being automated. Getting one as soon as I can afford it. Oil isn't going to die any time soon though, America is floating on enough for ~200 years that we know of. We're just using up everybody else's oil first because we aren't retarded and want to be kings of the world when idiots run out

The electric cords are impractical. How far can you realistically go while still plugged into the wall?

>Nobody mentions that charging the car costs almost nothing compared to a full fuel tank

>lol just ride your bike to uni then;^)

again, the only situation this would be a problem in would be if you happen to never sleep and your work requires you to drive all day

>better acceleration
There is no better acceleration than pushing your foot down and listening to the open-throated roar of your engine.

Listen to this glorious V12
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Oh there will be oil. Venezuala is treating their substantial reserves as though they're the plague. Once they succumb to market pressures and privatise their oil industry again, the spice will flow. This will take some time.

I love electric cars. Instant peak torque, potentially more horsepower when cooling performance of the batteries improves and cheaper to fuel up, even if it takes a while.

But back to oil, recently Ars Cucknica had an article on a new type of fuel injection that improves the thermal efficiency of petrol engines up to 50%, evidence being that Mercedes was using it in their Formula 1 engines ever since they were forced to use the turbocharged V6 and the other marques having caught up with that development this season.

So at the very least we will witness the death of diesel. Yay for that.

>slower
>more expensive
>but muh carbon footprint
Cuckmobile. Legend says that if you say ''I have an electric car'' you can hear a woman's inner vagina walls closing

Probably a good idea for cities if there are enough charging ports dotted around since they're good if you only want to commute as you charge it over night.

Not a good idea if you need to go far frequently, if you have inconsistent hours or like to go for drives for fun

We're a few millennia away from peak oil given the new detection and drilling technologies available

Electrical engineer here.
There's 4 areas that can be improved on electric cars.

>Time to Charge
Go browse a battery catalog. Not the AAA batteries you put on your remote, I mean shit like UPS and other stuff like that.
Some batteries are made specifically to charge quickly. This is a field that is getting developed and heavily, especially in europe.

>Acess to charging point
One of the more revolutionary ideas was a charging mat. Hasn't cleared testing phase yet, but imagine a sheet of metal that stays on the parking lot. You park on top of it, car lowers a pair of clamps (raises it when you start the engine) and it charges from there.
Main problem is electromagnetic forces fucking people with old pacemakers (one near death that I know of).
If you want to see something like this but smaller, it's being made for cellphones.

>The engine itself.
Simply put, electrical engines have seen many, many improvements in the last 20 years alone.
Ask any engineer, especially mechanical one's. The combustion engine has had improvements but the basis remained the same for more than 100 years.
Electrical engines have had several "mutations" and are nowadays highly efficient. In fact, if you get caught setting up a factory using an electrical engine with an efficiency lower than 98%, you can be fined.
The industrial market is the one demanding better electrical engines (for manufacturing) and they indirectly contribute to the improvement of electrical engines in cars.

>The autonomy
Biggest problem so far. Bigger battery = more weight, and you'll need more energy to move the car. Using VEV and other techniques, you can already extend the durability of the battery, but this is somethign that still needs working.

All in all, Electric cars are indeed the future.
But the future might still take a couple of years to come.

You can produce liquid fuels that are 1 to 1 replacements for fuel made from oil using hydrogen and carbon extracted from water.

Carbon in the atmosphere (CO and CO2) is absorbed by water reaching an equilibrium between the air and water. Hydrogen + carbon = hydrocarbons which is the base of all fossil fuels.

The problem is that to free hydrogen from water it takes a large amount of energy. However when you heat water to near it's super critical point (the point at which no matter the pressure it still flashed to steam) the electrical energy cost for hydrolysis drops faster than the heating cost. Or to put it another way it becomes cheaper energy wise to perform hydrolysis.

With a high temperature nuclear reactor you have access to useless for transport energy in the form of heat and after generation electricity. But with that energy you can economically produce liquid fuels that meet or exceed the spec requirements for internal combustion engines. (jet, gas, diesel).

The US navy is researching this and has work prototypes that make fuel from sea water.

Vid related.

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The really good part is that you can make fuel in low grid demand times, keep 100% of the engines we have and all the distribution infrastructure.

In short fuck the electric car.

Not really

When you study the physics of batteries you'll see that we are pretty much at the limit of what they can do given current tech

t. wage slave

There are much better potential energy densities for electric batteries than what currently exist on market.

It's not an exponential improvement area, but it is getting better and there is a mad rush for better energy storage.

How about you read the OP post first you giant faggot. OP is talking about the future and literally all of these problems are going to be fixed later.
Also it is debatable if the electric car is even more expensive since it's fuel costs almost nothing compared to combustibles

These women appear to disagree
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It is the best way to not giving Arabs terrorists money.

just try and charge your car and it'll cure you of electric car bullshit in 30 seconds.

> we just need more stations!!!!!
there will never be enough considering you have to leave it there for so long.

The perfected form of the electric car is the hybrid. why the fuck don't electric car faggots see this?

Even better when it's got wheels
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if you're unemployed then you clearly are not the target market for a new fucking car

>There are much better potential energy densities for electric batteries than what currently exist on market.
Even a factor of ten improvement won't match organics. And the best part about organics is that the mass of the vehicle decreases with travel. The is particularly useful for aeroplanes.

Same reason they don't see how thorium reactors and Gen 4 uranium reactors are much better than solar/wind farms. It's a bloody religion to these people.

I had a 90S press car for a few days. It is fun, but after a few runs the fans turn on and it slows down a lot. It is great from 0-60 but then starts to fall on its ass.

I love that thing. Some people just don't get it.

I drove an old Duramax 6.6 turbo-diesel for a few thousand miles and that thing ran like a champ.

You add one more step into the energy consumption cycle.

A petrol/diesel engine just burns the "fossil fuel" directly, and quite efficiently these days might I add.

Apparently these electric cars are better for the environment. How do you charge your electric car? Plug it into an outlet, of course.

But where does this electricity come from? Power plants, which generate the power from--you guessed it--fossil fuels.

These electric cars aren't nearly as efficient as petrol/diesel engines, and consume even more energy to operate. But liberals don't care about this and buy these dumb machines anyway because they feel better about themselves doing it. And that's all that matters in the world.

Youd be surprised. Debts dont seem to bother a lot of people.

How fast does a set up in the OP takes to charge the car?

>the oil is gonna die

civilization with it, no more plastics etc

The electric engine isn't the solution or the problem with the electric car. It is and likely always will be it's power source; be it a fuel cell or a battery.

You need a lightweight, cheap, long lasting, fast to charge, non toxic, high energy density, low maintenance battery for the electric car to work in anything other than a government mandated method.

In short you need a magic battery.

everything you just said is fucking bullshit

superchargers can charge at 185 miles an hour. within 10 years that will be possible at your own home.

>fossil fuels running our so cars need to be powered by the electric grid
>electric grid runs on fossil fuels

but it might be different for you, mr. frog. if i remember right your country doesn't shit its oants over nuclear energy like mine

If they can work out the charging/storage problems, they'd be fine.

As are, I'm concerned that the low travel distance between charges will encourage even greater urban centralization, with more and more of the population ending up concentrated in densely populated cities as opposed to being spread out in smaller towns and rural areas.

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Just got back from Cordova dragway a little bit ago. Fucking awesome. I don't want to live in a world of faggy electric cars.

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When do we get self driving cars? I can't wait to have my blanky and a comfy book and read during my commute. I hope it has an electric fireplace and place to put a Trump portrait too!

>Do you thinks it's gonna become necessary to have one since the oil is gonna die?

No.

But for driving around in the city electric is really nice.
If my daily commute was mainly city driving I would get one.

>more and more of the population ending up concentrated in densely populated cities as opposed to being spread out in smaller towns and rural areas.

That's already happening

we'll run out of lithium before we run out of oil

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Oil is naturally made by the core of the Earth. It will NEVER run out.

we will never run out of oil. it will just be increasingly sanctioned out of your hands, but the earth will always have a little more for some purpose, for the right buyer. yet again, people with more money have it better than you.

but not really. electric is definitely the future.

they think you can solve everything with windmills, solar panels and dams not knowing they'll kill all the birds and freshwater fish. things they never think about. things i'm very aware of since the sun isn't present over 60% of the year, after finding dead birds under windmills and trying to fish in a dammed up river.

nobody cares

Batteries will get better, no question about it.

Used to think electric cars were hype. Parents recentl got a 90k tesla, fkn awesome car. The wife and I are thinking of getting one.

Petroleum based engines will persist, particularly in 3rd world and developing countries but electric cars are the way of the future, just a matter of time.

It's a niche technology that will, for now, be limited to people who drive very little.
This means it's going have a TON of trouble catching on in america but, in smaller countries like Japan, it'll have better luck.

We have artillery batteries. We'll be fine.

>having a car
>in the netherlands
This is pure laziness. You can go everywhere you want by bicycle, and on the rare occasion that you need to go somewhere far, you can take the train.

There goes the hopes and dreams of oil ending
bye bye fishies

Low IQ subhuman discovered

Electric is much more efficient in virtually all ways.

First, you completely ignored a key point of transportation of the fuel.

Yeah, I know, and I'd prefer if it didn't get accelerated anymore than it already is.

Doesn't have to be long lasting or non-toxic if it's cheap to recycle them.

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about how oil is made and, more importantly, the amount of time it takes to make it.

Why?

City living is glorious.
And the more popular the city gets, the more the non-whites get pushed out to the suburbs.

its hardly going to take a damaging amount of water
not to mention its not going to be anywhere near as destructive to the environment like solar panels, windmills and hydroelectric

This^

>tfw your grid is on coal fire

>wind power is bad for environment

lel because a fucking bird dies?

Superchargers?
You mean the ones that destroy the cars $10,000 battery pack in a few years with constant use?

He's a Christian, they don't believe in processes that take millions of years because it's not mentioned in the Bible.

>drugs
>muggers
>subhumans
yeah, cities are great.

Well, hold on, fagatron, how do they mine the materials to make batteries and then transport that material to factories?

>There goes the hopes and dreams of oil ending
>bye bye fishies
I'm not sure I understand. You get the carbon from the water as well as the hydrogen. When you burn the fuel you release the carbon and hydrogen back into the atmosphere as CO2 and H2O.

Both the carbon and water return back to the bodies of water.

It's a closed cycle in terms of matter. The energy comes from nuclear reactors that are powering the process in the off peak times or as propose made reactors.

It's carbon neutral, and is limited only by our nuclear fuel which if we used breeder reactors is sufficient for billions of years.

you cared enough to type "nobody cares" and send it, so that makes one at least

Tell me you retarded baguette fuck. Where do you think most of the electricity that you put in those things come from?

That's right, by using FUCKING OIL.

Electric car drivers are some of the most retarded people. They think they are helping but really all they are doing is removing the """"""guilt"""""" of having to refuel with oil.

unless you are from lake forest or lake bluff you don't matter.

inconsequential in comparison to the constant transport of fossil fuels needed to power cars.

>trying to argue rationally with somebody who literally believes in perpetual motion

You're talking about a much higher energy density in electric cars than combustion engines.

Unless you can find a way to increase energy density past that of chemical potential in hydrocarbons, you can forget about it.

They are helping though.

It aids in the transition away from fossil fuels. It's not effective at all currently, but letting retards think their solar panels help is important.

Well answered.

You don't need higher density.

Exactly lol, like garbage recycling. Takes a separate truck, a separate machine to process...all petroleum based.

>lel because a fucking bird dies?
Yeah, and it's ugly and it's loud as fuck and makes only a small fraction of the energy they can make at peak output.

The best wind turbines have outputs of only about 20% of their rated amounts over a year. When you add in the electrical operating costs of all the controls, heaters and waveform rectifiers that number drops to about 10%.

Why aren't the garbage trucks electric?

>It aids in the transition away from fossil fuels.
But raising the demand for coal and natural gas?

but gas/electric (or better, diesel/electric) hybrid drivetrain vehicles are even more efficient since the engine can be run at its optimal speed for efficiency
at slower speeds all it does is generate energy until the battery is full, in which case it can shut off entirely
at higher speeds the engine augments and eventually takes over the drivetrain since it's running at close to optimal speed
Tiger 2s used it (just without a battery) but for a different reason, redundancy I guess

Been a while since I read about this stuff, but in those original Honda's you'd have to drive them some 2 million miles to offset the damage you did building the batteries, compared to much less with petrol. They mine the ore in South America, then fly the shit to China, then make it all there, then ship it to the car factories...

because trucks powered by diesel is unrivaled.

Was actually thinking that while I was typing. I don't know but they aren't. The process as it is is prolly more taxing on the environment than just throwing everything away together.

City living is shit.
>being able to see your neighbors
>loud fucks everywhere
>having to drive more than 20 minutes to mountain bike
>unable to have a personal orchard
>unable to stand naked on my yard boulder and piss while watching traffic on the highway below


Fuck that.

I think eventually everyone but daily commuters will have easy access to "zipcar"/"cartogo" type cars and it will be easier and cheaper than owning your own car.

If you live in a city, owning a car is a large burden. But for most of America, you really can't exist without a car.

It does though. It's a slow process and most of the things going on today have no real effect.

That said it helps the transition in the future. You have to start somewhere.

>petrol
>burger
found the brit refugee

I think it'll become such that the car will be able to pull into a charging station and once you line up the car, you press a button, and your battery is swapped for a fresh one for a small fee.

But the process of converting mechanical energy into electrical energy then into chemical energy, then into electrical energy and finally back into mechanical energy is an important loss of efficiency. More than offsetting any savings from a modern engine running at sub optimal speeds.

>>Nobody mentions that charging the car costs almost nothing compared to a full fuel tank
Nobody mentions that you pay 85% of your "fuel costs" upfront due to the cost of the battery. Or that the battery has an expiration date.