Will there be a new civil war in spain?

>will there be a new civil war in spain?
>if so, can catalonia defend themselves?
>is it right declare dependence from spain?
>how will this affect the european union?

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>No
>Totally no
>No
>Negatively

are you spanish? care to elaborate on your stance? i have not heard what spanish people think or their opinion on catalonias

>Almost definitely maybe
>More than likely probably not
>That would be an ecumenical matter
>Preliminary assumptions indicate a strong affect

Catalonian are SUBHUMANS who think they are better than the rest of Spain. They remind me as a RedNeck with that shit flag "confederada".

You can see in this video, how one of them shout as a subhuman with mental issues " Wild, Wild (savage)" to the our COPS.

youtu.be/8aClbMncBQA?t=1m41s

Think in a nigger doing the same to your police.

Bye bye.

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>probably not
>probably not
>not according to Spain... but it wasn't right for the American colonies to declare independence either... according to England
>depends. If Catalonia wants to be an independent state within the union they'll have to go through the long application process like everyone else

what a disrespectful cunt. i lived in spain and i know you don't put up with bullshit like that.

>Nope
>That's not a relevant question, a more interesting one would be: How would the international community react?
>"Is it right?" It depends on what you mean. Well, I do believe they have a right to declare independence, just no the way they have done it. I think it's a wrong decission on all fronts
>This could have very damaging results for Spains integrity as a nation and to other countries inside the EU, causing financial and political instability

Yes, I'm Spanish

>not according to Spain... but it wasn't right for the American colonies to declare independence either... according to England
comparing a territory conquered that wasn't even on the same continent and a few years of history to territory that has been ALWAYS under the rule of Spain (before the constitution of Spain the Aragon Crown) and was reconquered to the moors together eith the others regions of Spain.

You're probably right. I only meant that your opinion on whether or not somebody has the right to claim independence probably depends on which side of the claim you're on.

I'm spanish also catalan, my english isn't perfect but i think you can understand.

>>will there be a new civil war in spain?
No , because our government is not going to let it be.

>>if so, can catalonia defend themselves?
No, catalonia itself doesn't have military power and the majority of our citizens are elderly

>>is it right declare independence from spain?
Ofcourse not, it's illegal to do it like the 1 October, the separation of Catalonia from Spain must be voted among all not only Catalonia.

> the separation of Catalonia from Spain must be voted among all not only Catalonia.

As a fellow non-catalonian spaniard, I think it makes no sense to have other regions of Spain vote on Catalonian independence. In the hypothetical situation in which Spain is a tyrannical government(...etc) How would they gain independence? They should have the right to call for independence, but through a legitimante legal process.

gracias friend. this conflict is very interesting for me as an outsider (i'm swedish). all i hear is media talking about how it will affect eu, no one talks about the people involved or why this conflict exist

because catalonia belongs to spain there's a constitution.

Retard, all the world know what kind of shit dumbass are catalonian ppl. RETARDS dumbass.

The US belonged to England, should the whole english empire vote in an indepdence referendum? What I'm saying is, a nation should have the right for independence from a state regardless of the laws of that country (since the country can just create the laws it wants to not allow independence)

You sound like rajoy

Ignore bait

Stupid fuckers are being tricked by rich Muslims to get away from Spain. Catafuckers have no trade to survive for them selfs . This is one half assed independence move

the laws and decrees are for something and i'm not in the right

Honest question, why do you say rich muslims are tricking them?

This is sooo true subhuman Muslim lovers

Catalunya is just the beginning of the end for the Spanish Monarchy.

You better start investing in guillotines

England and us independence is way different stupid Spaniard friend. You are not a colony you are state that wants to go rouge

So if catalonias are niggers, why care if they want their own country? isn't it good riddance to get rid of them? what value would be lost?

Catashit has more Muslim population then any other part of Spain. Also the people who are pushing for it’s stupid independence are influenced by Muslim money. Don’t like the truth but if you live in Spain you can see the trails

If they leave Spain that piece of land will turn to a Muslim paradise like a cancer

I see you don't want a civil conversation. No shit they are different, mister smartypants. You still haven't answered to what I said about getting independence from a tyrannical state. It's a fundamental problem to what you are saying, you leave no way for a nation to escape from an unjust government (Which is not the case for Spain). I'm not even pro-independence honestly.

never heard of this before. so catalonia is a muslim hotspot. that certainly explain things

Guillotines are not of my liking but I truly wish we could get rid of the burden to the taxpayers that is the Spanish Monarchy, it's useless and expensive

Laws were not writen by any god, and remember spanish constitution was writen under the shadows of franco

MERICA, coming in to defend catalonia, let them be free faggot spanyards

Well,actually the king is the best politician we have and the best ambassador.

He has no worries about to be elected only in not to get disposed, so he is prepared as fuck to be useful and get the respect of people.

Actual politicians only care about being elected and rob all they can while they rule, the king has to try his best because his famimily depends on the public opinion not to expel the monarchy.

King can suck my dick brah, what is spain, lord of the rings?

t. Amerifaggot who can't point to Catalonia on a map.Also, Trump explicitly stated that his foreign policy does not involve toppling governments.

Shut up retard, watch this video (with subs english) as two catalonían talk about this shit.

1 have a brain
1 have a pineapple as a brain.

WATCH THE VIDEO AND SHUT UP RETARD DUMBASS.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZqZMMSClWnE&t=178s

Querido podemita.

it's not toppling if the government still exists.

Yes
Unlikely
100% yes
Absolute shitstorm

Cataluña no se va a independizar, eso afecta negativamente a toda la UE. No van a permitirlo.

The need to the whole Spain to vote the Catalonian referendum is because what happens in Catalonia affects the rest of Spain. What I mean is if Catalonia leaves Spain, Spain's economy will go down jobs will be lost a huge crisis will strike Spain and it will not affect only Catalonia but the whole Spain.

The Catalonian referendum is inconsiderate towards Spain.

Spain is not tyrannical.

Well I know for sure Spain has big issues handling money, so it is fine for Catalunia to separate if you are the only one providing money for the rest of spanish regions (loosers, all of them)

you just have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

Fun fact, the taxes citizens pay towards the Spanish Monarchy is minuscule compared to tourism revenue it directly generates. Visits to royal places, attention given to the royal family through Press and International dealings make the concept of a Constitutional Monarchy somewhat beneficial. Same with the UK.

>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

You have to realize that Catalunya is a "Giver" State. They are rich, so they naturally give more than they receive. Every country has it. It makes sense.
California, New York, New Jersey, Texas, etc. all give more to the central government than they receive.
I see no logistical reason to declare independence apart from stubborn pride, which is a silly thing to alienate people with. Not to mention that "stubborn pride" is a hilariously Spanish thing to do. They belong together.

>i don't think so. Catalonians have no weapons
>not at all
>yes, why not? Spain doesn't want to talk. That makes them loose any right. If they see Catalonia as part of their country, they should talk.
>the EU will show it's true face. i'm afraid they'll choose power over human rights and peace, but it would be a nice opportunity to show that the EU is for peace and that smooth transitions are possible.

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