Will automation end capitalism?

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Capitalism is about adding value using your capital. Robots are capital which are incredibly effective at adding a lot of value.

Seems more like the goal capitalism than the end of capitalism senpai.

Robots mean that a factory can produce even more for the same amount of money. That will reduce prices, encouraging further consumerism.

Anyone who thinks automation, and by extension cheap manufacturing will lead to some socialist utopia needs to look at how the reduction of manufacturing costs in the Industrial Revolution and the development of the assembly line (which also reduced costs while increasing productivity) increased the scale of capitalism.

But if you want consumerism, you need a market. The more jobs lost due to automation, the less money for consumers to spend. In order for automation to be sucessful, you MUST create a near equal number of jobs in relation to those lost. Mass unemployment is obviously bad for Capitalism.
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Is a more serious matter in this context than we give credit.

Unless robots want nice cars and in-ground swimming pools then no

I see out group preferences as more threatening to employment levels than automation, those things still need to be programmed and manufactured themselves.

Meanwhile, hiring only black transsexual lesbian Muslims with half limbs and a learning disability is going to get you a lesser worker than if you just hired the white man that you honestly think you're going to feel bad for hiring. IMO, this kind of bullshit has had more of an effect on youth unemployment than automation or even outsourcing. If all junior and grad positions are diversity hires, where does the guy who's not a diversity hire get a job? Oh, he doesn't, thus rising the youth unemployment rate.

Automation is seriously a non issue for luddites. Ending affirmative action would much greatly benefit everyone.

>Australia
>Not shit posting and actually adding to the discussion.

I hope they replace retail fucks who think they deserve $15 to ask if I want fries with that? Or how was my day?

Automation will only create better jobs. The people who used to lick letters shut all day didn't just go homeless, they got a better job after the economy of scale allowed for it and the automatic letter sealer took over.

That's the ultimate goal for anyone, to earn more from working less. Pushing that to its logical limit isn't really useful, but I find it hard to imagine that under near full automation that employment would be an issue.

100% chance that many fast food workers will all get fired and replaced by tablets that take your order.

Bonus is that they can't screw your order up because they don't speak english.

Most are on SSDI for "Depression" because now they don't fucking have jobs anymore.

Did the industrial revolution end capitalism because it made horses and slaves useless?

Venus Project marxist kike shills pls go

I hope so user

>implying a robot can run wire, hook up plumbing, install HVAC, or do really ANYTHING that commercial contractors need to do

Remember kids, Trade Skills will never be obsolete.

if those lazy bastards in wellfare services etc. don't vote yes for the universal basic income they'll have nothing in near time.

vote? yes, we're having a vote in june regarding ubi.

Still room for human error, as cooks will probably stay a job in fast food. Only cashiers are likely to be replaced.

Never did before and wont in the future. Are you that retard from the Sup Forums thread?

It won't get passed because the idea that you deserve someone else's money for simply existing is proposterous marxist nonsense

sure as fuck sent a lot of horses to the glue factory though...

No, it will better it.

this.
you don't understand UBI.

as i understand it we will just build more factories, nothing will change but a massive increase in quality of life. think of it like this, one person can make one cup in an hour with his hands. a specialized cup making tool might be able to increase that to 5 cups in an hour, so that person now has 5 more cups than he would have otherwise, thats the only difference.

and for those who would say "oh well who needs 5 cups! there be no demand!" there will always be demand, for example when automation makes it possible people will want every wall in their house filled with laptop level curcuits instead of just one laptop, demand can always increase so automation just makes things better

This.

When 90% of jobs are automated, how are those people going to earn money to inject into the economy?

Unemployment in Switzerland is less than 5%. So why do you need free money exactly?

Already happening. There's a new McDonald's just opened here in Manchester that has tablets that you can order from.

Because you won't have 90% automation. Lots of jobs CAN'T be automated, such as Contractor type work, transportation (muh google car that just crashed), financial, economic, etc.

Learning to use CNC, you got to get with the times man. It's usually socialist who want to preserve dying fields oppose to having people learn something new and move the market forward.

automation will bring new jobs, the only problem will be educating retarded plebs into the new more complicated jobs it creates. we will probably have to genocide africa and introduce some sort of eugenics program but thats not really a bad thing

Automation doesn't cause unemployment you subhuman marxist britcuck shill

The best decision I've ever made in my life, was to study Automation Engineering.

>300k starting

okay as long as we get more immigrants to go with it, otherwise shit.

it ain't free as it is already present in the system and is wasted on a bloated government. and the UBI can be fully automated.

What is the governments plan on dealing with the massive influx of jobless and unskilled civilians when all the CEOs replace them with robots?

>This
Well, until we get a perfect AI but by then we could actually have a functioning commie society since we would just have a bunch of robot slaves doing our bidding.

>denial
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>Will automation end capitalism?

What are you? Some communist hippy who can't think things through?

Automation will enhance capitalism and turn it into a dystopia.

You luddites are nuts.
Completely ignorant of the idea of scale. No one is building sky scrapers if it still takes the whole village working in the fields to grow enough food.

Automation like any advancement allows production to scale better (cheaper products for less work) creating form for more businesses. If circuit boards were still drawn by hand 80% of people wouldn't have the job they have today.

Yes, but it'll take around 200 years.

>evidence to your argument
wew

Who do you think is gonna be building and maintaining the robots? And who do you think is gonna be killing people from flying robots?

and don't forget the race war :^)

did the industrial revolution end capitalism?

How is that denial when it's a fact that there are tons of jobs that literally cannot be automated?

for white people? birthrates are already tiny
for niggers? let them starve and use robots to kill refugees

Hey you retarded marxist NEET shill see

>Automation doesn't cause unemployment
Prove it then.

Yeah but the majority can. The service industry can pretty much be entirely automated and that's the vast majority of the western world's economy.

Capitalism won't last forever. You realise that right?

hey dude. I'm cutting jobs with DeltaV.
>Sup Forums gold
>doesn't see the captchas with road signs, shops etc and has missed deep dream

The "Service industry" is too vague to say that it can be automated. Construction is a "service industry" if you're vague enough.

A majority of jobs CANNOT be automated. Capitalism won't die.

Yup. That's always what Marx had predicted.

>transportation
this WILL be automated, but please argue that it wont lol.
>finance
>economics
even if this shit isn't automated in the next 10 or so years, stockbrokers and even bank tellers are disappearing because they aren't needed anymore.

>Contractor type work, transportation

trucks are going to be one of the first automated things and you labor babbies need to face the fact that robots will replace all the heavy lifting that is 90% of your job so that instead of 30 workers on a job you have 5 or less

>Prove it then

I have a 120 year graph that shows no secular increase in unemployment other than recession periods. You are the one who has to prove that automation will end capitalism or whatever you marxist subhuman inbred trash

No.

Technology can always be improved and even if we hit a brick wall, the arts and cultural industries will simply expand as more people have free time.

Cringe

It's SSRI
Selective Seretonin Reuptake Inhibitor
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Transportation will never be automated simply because of the detail involved. You going to automate an 18 wheeler driving on interstates for 12 hours? How about a freight train on a non-stop schedule for days?

Hahaha, a leaf talking like he even knows what a job is.

I wonder what it'll be like in a few years with 30% out of work.

UBI would enable people to reduce their hours and the freed FTE's could be shared over a larger workforce. more time for kids, ageing parents, painting the shed..

Nah, but is will end the lower classes being able to make "career" out of fast food, grocery stores and minimum skill set jobs. When we were young we took those jobs and they built character and a desire not to be someone elses bitch. Now? I have no idea how people continue to work low skill jobs and never make anything of themselves.

Automation will cause a split if anything. Thos sticking their hands out and crying "we are equal" but have never earned anything will likely become a large blemish without better educational systems.

the weak shall inherit the earth mein friend. that lad will be breeding your future daughters and you will be reffering to him as "ya-lardship"

Why should I pay taxes to people who don't want to work?

>Comes from a greek
That's like an american talking about eating healthy, or a swede lecturing a polack how to deal with their immigration crisis.

By working different fucking jobs. How many people where farmers 300 years ago, and how many people are farmers now? Jobs will always exist. when a person simply exists, and requires food, water, shelter, and whatever else they want to fill their life with, that creates demand for service and product.

That demand will be filled by people and machines as is appropriate and economical, and if there is excess labor, it will be used to produce new things in an attempt to create a market, as it always has.

Seriously if we have a massive dearth of labor leftover, demand for entertainment will skyrocket. Robots cannot produce TV shows and video games, those markets will continue to grow and demand workers, like they do right now.

Japan has the highest number of industrial robots per capita

The unemployment rate is under 5%

HOLY CRAP SUBHUMAN AUTISTIC MARXIST SHILLS BTFO!!!!!

How can they recover from that????!!!!

it'll run 24h, 7 days instead if that is required. look at everythibg else around logistics, it's all been highly automated.

yea, pretty much.

Wait, you're not a truck driver are you? lol more like cuck driver now am I rite?! lol

Not more than assembly lines ended capitalism. People lost jobs, new jobs got created, and everything began anew.

Only if we manage to create AI that doesn't exterminate us.

Name one.

Maybe not today but heres the plan pf automation: Blue collar repeatable work (assembly line style)-->Blue collar support roles (shipping and transportation)-->white collar management roles (scheduling production,managing employee headcount)-->creative fields (art, music, tv {there is already a robot who writes music})--->White collar stem jobs (medical, science research, technology and automation systems production)

>being this butthurt about marxists

I know your country is in shambles Dimitris but it's because you guys are lazy fucks not because of Marxism.

Also you little graph proves nothing since mass automation hasn't yet occurred. Nobody knows for certain what impact it will have on the economy.

>Who do you think is gonna be building and maintaining the robots?
Other robots?

because you already pay them. it'll be shared differently and don't tell me you want a bloated gov.

>You going to automate an 18 wheeler driving on interstates for 12 hours? How about a freight train on a non-stop schedule for days?

yes

this is exactly what robots will do, a robot 18 wheeler is far safer than a human on drugs to stay awake

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Trading is almost entirely automated these days.

Logistics is just the numbers side, not the physical side. Can't automate UPS, USPS, freight trains, or truck drivers.

Nope. Just not an idiot.

>did the industrial revolution end capitalism?
It killed serfdom.

>industries

My friend, a much as I'd like to see it, we'll never see n economy based on paintings and poems.

Actually transportation is one of the easier things to automate. Roads are static entities, smart vehicles can communicate with each other, permit specific passings and the like to allow vehicles to reach exits every time, avoid accidents, and maximize fuel efficiency. A freight train is literally even easier because it just needs to be told when to stop and go based on a schedule and its GPS position.

And a smart truck can drive all day long, only requiring breaks to refuel it.

Contractor work. Any trade skill. Any transportation.

i rest my case then

welp, if you're not going to prove how transportation can't be automated friendo, at least prove how you're not an idiot.

Lol double digit iq inbred ugly marxist retard

>mass automation hasn't yet occurred

How do you even define "mass automation". You are just making stuff up. Pure cringe

Consumerism has its limits. There's only so much shit that can be produced before the market is saturated and nobody wants to buy it anymore.

At some point you pro-capitalism types are going to have to admit that we've become so efficient and productive as a species that a model of resource and labor allocation based on scarcity for both resources and labor is no longer going to work.

Soon so much will become automated that labor will become a useless commodity. It's been happening exponentially for the past several hundred years and the curve is growing so steep that we're reaching a kind of economic singularity where the old rules no longer apply.

>Can't automate things that go to designated places at designated times using designated paths

come on m8. Even janitors would be harder to replace with robots

Look at his build and complexion.

I predict heart failure before age 35.

The Google car was extremely inefficient with its self driving, still required a human passenger, and could only go 25 MPH due to being unable to accurately notice traffic at higher speeds. You really think we could automate a truck going 75 MPH down a busy interstate all day?

But AI will surely make even 'educated' people obsolete.

The clamoring multitudes will spew forth geniuses desperate to find economic purchase in a system that rapidly needs less and less people. They will scramble to create the tech that will displace ever more people until they create the tech that displaces themselves.

I would say even the wealthy could be easily made obsolete. What is a corporation but a form of AI with human components. As the components are phased out the will to grow remains. Why are owners needed for corporate governance when you have automated CEOs?

But what about literature, music, film, and vidyamagames?

Well, STEM jobs will not end by automation that is for sure. If anything the demand for these professionals will only grow exponentially with the growth of automation.

Those jobs cant be outsourced either.

You say robots can not create video games but AI can already create musics or write articles by itself. What i mean is that robots can and will be able to do both manual and intellectual works

well at that point we will die off as our 7ft tall 12 inch dicked robot overlords explore the galaxy without us

>Soon so much will become automated

Proof?

Well, first planes weren't able to break sound barrier too, so what? It's not impossbile, so everything else is just a matter of time.

jobs will shift is all

the robot makers and service men will need to hire people to spitshine their shoes

humans will have to be exterminated. There are plenty of mouth breathing retards roaming the earth who don't have the proper genes to push innovation further.

these people will be the first to go, otherwise governments will have to provide month NEET checks and we simply can't have that shit.

the googlecar is also drawing maps and is what is going to make automated transportation possible in the first place

hopefully within the next 10 years we will have 90% less human drivers killing people

How are you this buttblasted about socialists that you have dozens of pics saved on your computer?

You don't get out much do you?

Anyway, I'm referring to a post-scarcity economy which, in case you hadn't noticed, is the topic of the thread.

By then hopefully we will integrate ourselves with AIs. If not - humans will just slowly become obsolete and extinct.

>Even janitors would be harder to replace with robots

For now. But general purpose AI robots are developing at a remarkable pace.

50 years ago if I told you cashier jobs at McDonalds would be replaced with a computer you would've told me I was insane. Because back then the typical computer cost several million dollars and required an entire room.