So, up until recently, I really had no interest in following world news and politics, even throughout the elections...

So, up until recently, I really had no interest in following world news and politics, even throughout the elections, the majority of my knowledge and interest came from memes about current events, pic related.
Recently, however, I have become more and more aware of what is going on. Antifa's upcoming 'protest' on the 3rd, HWNDU season 7, 'you can't be racist to a white man', a few videos from Sargon of Akkad have piqued my interest.
So, Sup Forums, my questions are; what are other sources out there will assist in red-pilling me farther, is Sargon a credible source of info, and are there actual credible sources in mainstream media, or is it all just a straight flow of cancerous shite?

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twitter.com/AnonBabble

You realize there is no protest, right?

1) antifa groups don’t have a centralized authority, all action is localized
2) literally every single post announcing a protest has been a troll

I had not realized that, no.This is my first time looking into stuff like this outside of watching videos on things that have already happened

>hat are other sources out there will assist in red-pilling me farther
It's FURTHER you uneducated fuck

My mistake. It's 2am and I'm probably too tired to be doing this now :')

>assist in red-pilling me farther
>are there actual credible sources in mainstream media

Don't be a dumbass.
The normal media is fine. It is telling you the truth. It's just that they have to puff it up for ratings.
For example - Malaysia Air 370. CNN exploited the hell out of that, bullshit graphics, continual breaking news of non-events, etc. But an airplane still disappeared - you are getting the truth, just glossed over for a glossy-eyed audience.

New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, BBC, CNN - none of these places is directly lying to you.

Fox News, Breitbart, etc - that's where you go when you want news with a political bias.
Sure, MSNBC too. They won't lie to you, they just won't tell you the full truth.

kill yourself you fucking underaged faggot.

This is fair I suppose
Thanks for the wonderful insight. I'll get right on that

>The normal media is fine. It is telling you the truth. It's just that they have to puff it up for ratings.
>New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, BBC, CNN - none of these places is directly lying to you.
Not directly. They're letting others do it and they're letting their headlines do it.

>redpill
Don't do drugs.
Get your news from other than the US when the matter's about the US. Get your news from other than Germany when the matter's about Germany. Get your news from other than... get it?

Straight flow of cancerous shite. I'm in Antifa. We're all laughing at the gullible idiots who are gonna show up to counterprotest the revolution that isn't happening. Maybe they'll literally shoot themselves in the foot again, like they did at an imaginary Antifa protest they came to counterprotest in Gettysburg.

You don't have to believe me, but on November 5th, ask yourself who told you the truth and who lied to you. The political right wing (which includes liberals) will tell you any lie they can grab ahold of, so long as they can continue to make money. But the truth endangers that. So they haul out the Alex Joneses of the world, whining about gays turning the frogs Obama, and suddenly the pitchforks that came out for them are redirected against the Jews or whatever.

Ask yourself which is likelier on the 5th, when the truth of Antifa is revealed for all to see.

>Get your news from other than the US when the matter's about the US
Got it

>The normal media is fine. It is telling you the truth

A politicly slanted partial truth is not the truth, and that's typically the best the mainstream media dishes out.
These media outlets are owned and operated by a handful of very political people.
They usually don't flat out lie, most people aren't easily influenced by straight up lies.
You filter the facts until it fits the narrative you want to convey. That's what you get with most mainstream journalism unless it's just some clear cut story with no political or ideological themes to apply.

It's surprising when you actually come across a well balanced anything with any of these media giants.
If you think Fox News is any more politicly biased than CNN, where you have irrational/emotional talking heads losing it on air and not even hiding their personal biases anymore, you aren't an impartial person searching for the truth, you're in their bubble.

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> for example - ww2. They exploited the hell out of that, with continual breaking news for decades now. But a war still happened, you're still getting the truth.

Antifa
Radical governement founded organisation to make protest, being able to call them radical lefts in media.
Head is a Female working at the stasi in ddr times.
Perfect manipulator.
Some might be true what they are saying, but the action is all predicted.

just lurk Sup Forums for a few weeks. not even kidding

You champagne socialists are the worst thing since cancer. I hope you die being raped by dogs

If you want thoroughly backed up videos going against the regressive society today then I'd look up TL;DR. He used to take the piss out of Leftists but he's been doing very researched videos for the past few years.

Are you rich?

Edgy teenage liberal spotted

>If you think Fox News is any more politicly biased than CNN,

Right-wing what-about-ism

>Head is a Female working at the stasi in ddr times.
Merkel?!

If so you egoistic fuck if not you must be so fucking stupid not wanting socialism.
Do you even know what that means?!
Fuck me thats exactly the reason we are fucked. Ppl with no knowlege just a feeling of something feel entitled to an opinion.
While having no knowlege still defending it with nothing not realising it...

Nah some other older bitch

Pic related, it's you both.

So listen up 'lil losers: if you're so tough, why don't you take your loser swastika and stars and bars and gather enough people to not get beaten up by Antifa in fucking redneck central. We've thrown your asses out of Richard Spencer's hometown, we've thrown your asses out of Virginia, out of Tennessee... don't you get it? You have no home turf safe from us. You are going to be hunted down like vermin, and the American people will cheer on abject communism before they ever touch you.

So wave your loser flags and come up with your own loser flag, so that the losers in one hundred years can wave your loser flag along with the rest of them.

You know who is REALLY lying to you?
Anyone who tells you that everyone else is biased and they have the only truth.
So...that means Trump, the Republican Party, and Fox News are all the liars,
because they're the ones trying to get you to stop believing anything other than their narrative.

Sargon is a cuck who holds no real beliefs or convictions and would rather fan his own balls by acting like he's above it all. The whole "big brained centrist" shtick is so goddamn tired and worn out.

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Ye we see that in argentinia and loots of other contries.
Ppl having no food dieing, for them the start of com in sowiet is heaven for them.

CNN not biased Lmao.

Good one.

This is pretty good bait.

>t.Macri shill

Also, when an article or person is telling you something is saying something (like "this proposed bill hurts poor people, " or " this will raise taxes on the poor").

Read the bill yourself and make an informed opinion instead of listening to the media.

When they cite statistics, look up the methodology.

why does ALL not count up to 100%, somethings fucky

Yes saying they are both equally biased.

Learn to context.

Jordan Peterson, Stefan Molyneux (sp?)

>Yes saying they are both equally biased.
...and I'm saying that is obvious bullshit.

Iwf fucked it up hard
Thats all they do make ppl dependant ez.
Also Nelson Mandela was a ffgt. Same shit over and over again.
If media says they are good they most likly are not. Inclusion same

Ya but it's not, faggot.

Also, listen to the whole debate.

youtube.com/watch?v=3TInGHcG-_Q
It has very fair time for both proponents and opponents of the issue. Larry Elder and David Rubin are also pretty good sources of information.

The irony.

Don't trust any mainstream media. They are owned by a few companies. The conservative media will tell you straight-up lies and pretend up is down. The liberal media will do the same thing, but pretend that they're liberating someone in the process.

Listen to socialist media. Socialists are not liberals, and in fact hate liberals. Trump is in office because we hated liberals enough to not vote for Hillary, and we did so as a bloc. We are not funded by Soros and do not give a single fuck about the Clintons, in fact we hope they're jailed along with Trump.

Rightists regularly try to pretend socialists and liberals are the same thing, because liberals are full of as much shit as they are and are therefore easily dismissed via whataboutism and muckraking. But socialists aren't trying to make money, we're trying to tell the truth.

And if you don't like someone's take? My God socialism is completely widespread, and there are dozens of positions on each and every issue. We all think for ourselves and routinely disagree with one another. You might not always agree with the things we write, but at least you can rest assured that we aren't sponsored by some fuckwit corporation, that the things we write are what we earnestly believe, and had to realize was true in the face of massive liberal and conservative opposition.

This.
/thread

reuters is a pretty good source, they seem to be pretty non partisan

Start here, bucko
youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE

> socialists think for themselves
kek

>reuters is a pretty good source, they seem to be pretty non partisan
No, they're very partisan toward western imperialists and have distributed risible anti-Syria, anti-Russia propaganda.

it sounds like you've already formed an opinion and are now just looking for sources to confirm your bias.

if a particular news source consistently gets you riled up, calm down for a moment and try to think why that is. who is benefiting from you getting riled up? is that news source just anger porn? what are the various sides in the argument and how are they trying to sway me?

Reasoning requires effort, constant vigilance, self-control, and the willingness to admit your mistakes. It's not easy but it's the difference between being told what to think and forming your own authentic opinions.

FACT: nazis were socialists
FACT: you fucks are rsponsible for over 200 million dead bodies
FACT: you want to do it all over again and happily call for genicide.

So, yeah, you are by definition evil and immoral faggot. Hope you choke hard in that dog dick.

5/8

How does socialism deal with human nature that includes greed and corruption? Even if a socialist leader or group is democratically elected, that doesn't mean they're not corrupt or corruptable. A corrupt person can still sieze power. When the government controls all of the resources, and a corrupt dictator takes over, the whole system collapses into chaos. This is basically what happened to every socialist state that has ever existed in the modern world.

You guys also hit people with bike locks.

How to become socialist. Read about socialism and belief its best.
No you fgt, you gather tons of information thinking about a perfect utopia, which acctually would work if its not for you dumb shits...
then you realise that the things you want have a name called socialism.

Your premise are faulty. It's literally not human nature. It's an adaptation to overcrowding and too many people, if anything. The steady state of humanity is socialism.
>Even if a socialist leader or group is democratically elected, that doesn't mean they're not corrupt or corruptable
>leader
Obviously, you retain the right to fire them, at will, for any or no reason. That right alone would make democracy quite a bit more bearable. Do you support this?
>When the government controls all of the resources,
Then obviously you kill rulers that go rogue. Remember, there is no gun control under socialism.
>This is basically what happened to every socialist state that has ever existed in the modern world.
Yes, and it took the West a trillion or more dollars to force that to happen.

In other words, everything would be perfect without PEOPLE.

Your entire philosophy is pie in the sky B.F. Skinneresque wish-fulfillment. Isn't 200 million dead enough?

To be fair, they really should be hitting the ruling class with bike locks instead of their useful idiots.

I don't know, jewnigger. You tell me.

Given how many are trust fund babies, they might as well just hit each other with bike locks

You're an idiot. Not everything that ever happened is capitalism's fault. You need to establish at least some basic connection.

Why the fuck is this faggot here?

Socialism is not comparable to national socialism.
In fact it once was and by far was the best structure.
30% unempl to 5%
From worst ecco to best
Independence

You faggot think to cornored not everything hitler did was bad you stupid shit. After 1939-40 everything changed.
Hitler was not loved by stupid ass dumb shits like you, cause you think so fucking non reasonable, that you would love to go up his ass back in the days, for no reason...
America is indeed better forcing jaapan into war. Having war against all socialists... embago cia the shit out of everything.
Get an fucking education you dumb amerikafag. Stop believing in bullshit and start thinking

succinctly put: there is no human nature, but only human conditions.

Are you impelling that bosses can tell their employees to do anything they want?

Because that would be illegal if you asked me.

Did you really abbreviate unemployment to umempl? And economy into ecco? And then bitch about someone else's education? (Or edukation, as I assume you normally spell it.)

>nothing that ever happened is capitalism's fault
Is that closer to what you actually believe?
Imperialism for the sake of capitalism is literally capitalism's fault. The US in WWI was basically started to distract the ever-more-successful communists in the US and create excuses to round them up.
>muh 200 gorillion
this is literally bait

Sry dude i have hfa with 200 iq
I cant spell nor talk since I cant think in language.
The difference is tho im not pretending i can.

>FACT: nazis were socialists
While "Nazi" does stand for "National Socialist," if you read Hitler's writings you come to understand that he used the word as a marketing tactic, because socialism was really really popular. But the Nazis that did want a racist version of socialism, the so-called Strasserites that were the street fighters that brought Hitler to power, were ruthlessly purged by Hitler in favor of the capitalists. Nazis are capitalists, not socialists.

>FACT: you fucks are rsponsible for over 200 million dead bodies
Once upon a time, there was a sellout hack of a historian named Robert Conquest. He realized that telling the rich and powerful of America what they wanted to hear was a great way to advance his career, so he wrote a book where he made up figures about the "victims" of communism. In reality, he was bitching about the kulaks and capitalists that got sent to Siberia, and highly inflated the figure. But they were sent there because they set grain on fire during a famine rather than share it with their countrymen, and of the millions that went, opened Soviet archives demonstrate only one million died in the gulags. One million people who were ready to let far more than that starve to death DESERVED to die in the gulags.

Meanwhile, let's talk about the death toll of capitalism, pic fuckin' related. And that doesn't even mention the CIA or the other capitalist spy agencies and their historical catalogue of horrors.

>FACT: you want to do it all over again and happily call for genicide.

Why can't Nazis ever spell? With the whole "grammar Nazi" thing you think they'd at least try. It's "genocide" you stupid fuck, and we socialists have fought to prevent it at every turn while you fucks have fought to wage it on the weakest people you meet. Every age, every time, that's you.

I know argument won't change your mind; Nazis worship power, not logic. Fortunately you have neither. Enjoy getting stomped by Antifa.

That is untrue, there are things that are common across ALL human cultures, and individuals. These things are our nature.

You have to change what someone said to even come up with an argument? And then your argument is that 26 million communists were rounded up and killed in the U.S. during WWI?

You're a genuine, drooling, incapable of rational thought idiot.

>Robert Conquest
geezus, what's in a name

>That is untrue, there are things that are common across ALL human cultures, and individuals. These things are our nature.
Then a single example would pose an effective disproof to the "nature" argument, wouldn't it?

> gooble gooble munga munga show bobs English

You can overwrite your instincts. You habe many layers of thinking. The more you understand deeply why you act the way you do, youll be more likly to be able to change your nature.
Ofcause in a drugged state (like if you are in a fight) itll come again. You cannot fullyget rid of it.
If you have your emotions under controll itll be ez

>being this new
It's time for you to go back2reddit, liberal.

Capitalism is an economic system, not something that controls our lives. All the events on that list were caused by war, colonialism, famine, genocide, and interventionism.

When we say that communism caused 100,000,000 deaths, we meant it intentionally caused genocide against it's own people because they weren't even communist. Capitalists don't do that. Capitalism is just an economic system. You can't control poverty.

>youll be more likly to be able to change your nature.
Then we have established that natures can be changed, which would explain the expansion in avarice and competition and the deprecation of society post-WWII in the West.

kek, can't even figure out how to post

Man get on my lvl. Since I accepted my weakness and since I know why you want to make me mad, which in fact makes me sad cause it proves my point you are a dumb shit compleatly irrational not in control of your emotions... , I wont get mad try again

>It's an adaptation to overcrowding and too many people, if anything. The steady state of humanity is socialism.
Does this mean corruption/greed occur only in large populations, and because of this socialism only works in small communities?

>Then obviously you kill rulers that go rogue
The people required to lead a revolt and sieze power are not the same people required to run a government. It has happened a lot in history, a dictator is replaced by another dictator.
>when violence rules, the most ruthless are attracted, and angels that build good works will lose to devils that don't

"Human nature" is incredibly malleable and changes based on the environment in which a given human was raised. For most of human history, bands of 100-150 people gathered resources and shared them democratically, a primitive form of socialism. This is as much, if not moreso, "human nature" than stuffing human corpses around Wall Street's footprints.

>Even if a socialist leader or group is democratically elected, that doesn't mean they're not corrupt or corruptable. A corrupt person can still sieze power.
This is a misunderstanding compounding a misunderstanding. First off, democracy isn't just voting, it's protest, it's checks and balances, et cetera. Democracy is civic engagement, not just a ballot once every few years. A feisty and engaged public, educated properly, will call a democratically-elected socialist government to account just as much as a democratically-elected capitalist one, probably moreso because it will be better educated and supplied.

>When the government controls all of the resources, and a corrupt dictator takes over, the whole system collapses into chaos.
And this is the compounding misunderstanding. A common misconception is that "socialism is when the government does stuff, and the more stuff it does, the socialister it is." No. Socialism is the WORKER ownership of the means of production. Not the government ownership, although for historical reasons that was experimented with in some socialist states. I'll get to that.

>This is basically what happened to every socialist state that has ever existed in the modern world.
Not quite. What happened to every socialist state that has ever existed in the modern world was the CIA. I'll finish this thought in a second post.

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kek, Mr. Touchy. Your posts are almost incoherent. Until you have a decent enough grasp of the language reduce the number of errors to a manageable level, don't expect anyone to read what you have to say.

Nazis were fascist not capitalist. They're actually different. Look it up.

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Well not really they get falsely conected.
Like i said since i have hfa im phsychopathic. If you know how the other person acts and thinks you can manipulate them.
Like everyone wants to be accepted and loved wants to fit in.
So its ez for media to fuck with there nature and manipulate them.
Like >>what everyone wants to know about halloween
You can then implement halloween used to be a girl, and the majority beliefes so cause they think its common knowlege, since most ppl have issues they just want to fit in and pretent its fact.
They lie to themselfs which over a period of time enables the feeling of truth for them.
So the nature can not be changed but it can conclude and interact falsely.
Its complicated sry im really bad at explaining.

You really should update your politics.

First of all, early tribal based societies weren't a primitive form of socialism. It's actually a model that works, when you no more than 100 people (tribes that exceeded that were unstable, and soon split) and when you have a strong traditions (religion/respect for elders/marriage/etc.) enforcing strong ties.

Socialism draws some ideas from that, but is built on smoke and mirrors with lots of "wouldn't it be greats" instead of actually acknowledging how people work.

>I think you forgot your Dwight meme from the office.

Un-intuitively, "nature" is a metaphysical concept and "condition" is a physical concept.

Also name one thing that is completely unique to humans alone but that all humans that have ever existed share in common. This functions as an idiot test because there was a tautology embedded in the premise.

>phsychopathic
Is that the mental power to make people who read your posts autistic?

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Im not and im fully aware of it.. thats what im saying.
But anyway you wont get my point, so its fine. You should be realising that maybe you have some big issues.

Fuck was that ending?

>THANKS FOR WATCHING GUYS, DON'T FORGET TO CLICK THAT SUBSCRIBE BUTTON AND I'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK FOR ANOTHER EPIC CRIMINAL OFFENCE

It's hard to hold elections when your capitalist enemy just rigs them, so the socialist government either has to resign itself to being conquered by capitalists, or to carry on as best it can without a proper democratic mandate and with an increasingly powerful security apparatus to ward off the CIA.

But power breeds corruption, and absolute power breeds absolute corruption. The Soviet security system created amoral monsters like Vladimir Putin, who went on to oversee a fascist revival in Russia. The security state oversaw an economic state that had never been fully decapitalized, because they hoped to develop the country quickly through state capitalism (socialism's surpluses usually go to the workers, and are not reinvested in capital, and the Soviets needed more capital especially at the start) and so the institutional development path they chose ended up being a state capitalist one. So the workers of the USSR and its satellite states "owned" the means of production in the sense that they controlled the government, but that worker control of government got weaker and weaker the stronger they had to make the security state. And so capitalism reappeared in the guise of the security state.

For the record, there is nothing the USSR could have done about this state of affairs except nuke the USA, and that would have been even worse. As the weaker superpower, and one that was feudal only a century ago, they were playing catchup and did not have the resources to preserve democracy AND a socialist economy against a worldwide capitalist onslaught indefinitely.

However, there's one country on Earth that if socialists overthrew its government, the CIA couldn't coup and the US military couldn't invade. If America goes socialist, there'll be no Cold War II because the other capitalist powers are far too weak. We won't have to choose between guns and butter, between a slow decay from within or a quick invasion from without. We could finally build socialism.

Maxi kek. I guess.
More like i know how ppl work, so I change behavior since I have no character myself.

I'm impressed that your 200 IQ lets you diagnose "big issues" via keyboard

>Capitalism is an economic system, not something that controls our lives.
That which controls access to the resources we require to survive necessarily controls our lives. Capitalism literally cannot exist without growth, and of late they have chosen to grow by creating new property rights in what once were freedoms.
>You can't control poverty.
You absolutely can, but it wouldn't be capitalism anymore because it wouldn't preserve the privileges of capital to create labor.
Nice blaming the victim.

>Does this mean corruption/greed occur only in large populations
I would say that it occurs in populations which are under resource pressure, whether that pressure is artificial or natural. Those communities that aren't breeding to satisfy the capitalist class expectation for returns tend not to get so greedy.
>The people required to lead a revolt and sieze power are not the same people required to run a government
Nobody said a revolt. This is just a human resources action. :^)
>It has happened a lot in history, a dictator is replaced by another dictator.
Then you keep killing them until the dictators run out. Eventually you run out. Then the people draft some terrified manager into whatever supreme leader position is required by the system in question, and I hasten to add that not all of them do, and things start actually working. There is no fall-from-grace narrative here. Those who are willing to lead a people need to be willing to put their own lives in the hands of those same people. Authoritarianism doesn't have much room to maneuver when the people can tell the authority to fuck off.

>how people work
Are you projecting your current experience of the world onto all people over all time? It's something that Westerners, and especially devotees of the Whig Theory of history, have a really bad habit of doing.

>unique to humans
You're adding needless restrictions, humans share large amounts of ancestors with other organisms, why does it need to be unique to humans? Regardless, does language qualify under your definition?

>Are you projecting your current experience of the world onto all people over all time?
I was talking about pre-agricultural cooperative tribal societies, so clearly not. You're the one who needs to stop projecting.

CNN is real news.

>Then you keep killing them until the dictators run out
That's how states collapse into civil wars and end up abandoning the previously established system completely

lol come say that in public oh wait no you won't because Nazis are cowards and we're kicking your asses in the reddest of states.

Say in public the shit you say on here and you will be doxxed, punched, and lose your job. Your own parents will disown you. Your feckless mewling on here is the sum total of the power of your movement. But then, the Nazis were racist losers too. The Confederates were also racist losers.

Just.
Like.
You.

Die mad about it.