Why are amerifags so afraid of socialism? I'm not talkin about communism here, i'm talking about equalizing society...

Why are amerifags so afraid of socialism? I'm not talkin about communism here, i'm talking about equalizing society. Why is some guy paid a million/year, when clearly nobody need that much, while others working equally hard, if not more barely survives, just that he didn't have parents that could afford putting him through college. So he, and all his descendants are stuck in an endless loop of poverty..

What is bad about free schools, free healthcare, decent minimum wages and working conditions? America is supposed to be the land of the free, the land of opportunity. It's not. Be born wealthy or be fucked.

Now i haven't lived in your reality, but here everyone get to study, nobody is limited to pursue any carreer they want by money. Nobody dies because they don't have health insurance. Water is free, unrestricted. You are allowed to walk freely in any forest in the country, trespassing only applies to your house and surrounding lot. You can swim in any lake (we have 4400 of them).

This is freedom and opportunity. Make america great again, the rest of the world need you to live up to what you once were.

Just stop please.

Too many that don't deserve it at all would benefit from it.

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Faggot, I work my fucking ass of to make the money I do, You wanna try to take that away from me. It's bad enough I already fucking pay 14k a year to the fed. Socialism wants me to pay more and work more for less. Kindly go fuck yourself you commie fuck wad.

not everyone has equal value.
take op for instance.

You know faggot, I use to work with someone like you. They are unemployed now because they refused to work. Socialism creates a lack of incentive to try and better oneself.

I mean it sounds like you're attacking a strawman of American politics but I don't blame you if you haven't lived here. In America it's really not as bad as you think and I reject the benefit of some of things you proposed. A lot of social programs don't work and burn money that eventually falls onto the taxpayers. With socialism, you get a few good years before everything goes to shit. Also, we can't even start talking about "free college" or "free healthcare" until America pays off it's 20 trillion dollars debt.

Cannot you into entrepreneurship faggot?

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I'm all for free healthcare and education and whatnot, but first can we focus on our debt (which would include cutting services, but hey every party has a hangover) and work on cutting costs. University auditoriums don't need copper sculptures around the whiteboard. They don't need the latest in European furnishings in the lunch hall. Just cut the out of control spending and putting it on the everyday working man.
Not saying that's the cure-all, but I feel that's a great start.

Also fuck, everyone wants to get into top universities cause they think it looks great, but there are so many smaller and less expensive universities they don't even consider that will land them the same job.
I paid $10k/year including board and I got an engineer career same as everyone else.

That and the access to capital is amazing here. If you really want to start something it's abundantly more possible here than anywhere else.

>if atheists just understood the bible, they wouldn't be atheists!

No, they just don't believe in your kike religion

We trust our government less than we do the free market

>Trust
>Government

Socialism has really worked out for the eurotrash hasn't it

why wouldn't i want what's best for me?

Most of is work.
Ain't no such thing as free.
Someone's always paying, and we know its us!

So fuck off with this noise!

Im simply a nihilistic soziopath

>I'm not talkin about communism here, i'm talking about equalizing society.
You're fucking stupid if you can say a sentence like this.

That's what fucking communism is.

Equality is only ever achieved among the dead.

>Why is some guy paid a million/year, when clearly nobody need that much,

It's not about what he needs, it's about what's necessary to incentivize him to take risks. Paying people to get their hypotheses about production correct is how you actually figure out what to produce by what means.

> while others working equally hard,
"Working hard" doesn't mean anything objective. Work that is valuable enough for people to willingly pay a premium for it is objectively measurable.

>What is bad about free schools, free healthcare
They don't exist

> decent minimum wages
A minimum wage is merely a prohibition on employing the least competent. It has no other function.

>Now i haven't lived in your reality, but here everyone get to study
If by "study" you mean "go to a good school" that is objectively false. There is no nation in the world with a 100% admission rate to its top tier colleges. You are a fucking moron.

>Nobody dies because they don't have health insurance.
No, they just die in the waiting room.

>Water is free, unrestricted.
There is no country matching your description fucking idiot. Water is a fucking scarce commodity everywhere.

High school kid or bad bait.

Either way, 0/10.

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What about the employers overhead, material cost, and taxes?
As if they risk nothing, and bring nothing to the table.

Where do you live, country-wise?
With 4400 lakes to choose from, I'm thinking Canada.
Just curious, that's all.

How's your first semester of college so far, kid?

There is a reason America is such a powerhouse. Socialism is not that reason.

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serioulsy , i dont understand myself but i'm not american . I can't imagine my country without free healthcare and free schools but i cant understand why amerifags thing this kind of things is costly

for exemple my country , France , use 10% of it's GDP for healthcare (free , one of the best of the world , etc) when USA use 15% of it's GDP for expensive healthcare , drugs who cost too much , etc

WHY ARE YOU THINKING USA?

Proly why you got invaded first

Schools in the US are already free. What are you talking about?

Please tell me actors. Singers and athletes get paid way too much.

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Schools are certainly not free. Landowners pay for schools through school taxes. Renters indirectly pay school taxes via their rent that the landowners use to pay the school taxes.

>Why are amerifags so afraid of socialism?

Decades of propaganda, and generally low intelligence.

>literally everyone else does this around the world

Yes, that's what we mean when we say things like Free Healthcare, Education, etc.

Americans are too stupid to understand what's in their own best interest, they vote against it all the time. They're dumb and duped.

And the fact that literally every communist and socialist state has failed and resulted in the deaths of millions.

Except, there's nothing "free". Someone, somewhere worked and paid for whatever someone else got without paying. Some people, the producers, don't really feel happy about providing for the non-producers.

This is the mentality of the working poor. They would rather remain poor, uninsured, uneducated, etc than let some freeloaders benefit too.

It's a loser's mentality and it's the reason they'll remain poor.

>Calls something free
>Isn't actually free
B-but you don't pay upfront so that's free, right?

Not realizing that capitalism makes you have to work more for less.

How's that $600/mo health insurance working out?

What are you talking about? Not him but I don't pay for healthcare. It's a perk I get for having a good job. It's a little thing called insensitive.

He thinks ppl paying for his shit means things are free. Kek. Typical beggar

On a side note though, my water comes from groundwater, so it is free. All I’m paying for is electricity for the electric pump, but that’s paying for convenience not water

Average state run college education: 12k/yr

Average for profit college education: 30k/yr

That's how capitalism works. You get fucked. The rich get richer.

Haha...not understanding that you're paying for health insurance indirectly. You realize your company could afford to pay you more if it wasn't shelling out upwards of $1k/mo for your coverage, right?

They use the tax money Europe use for healthcare for their military, so it’s true that they can’t afford it. Most of Europe have shitty military, some practically none

Of course USA can decrease it’s military budget, but they’ve pissed off way too many ppl at this point, so that’s a very risky move

>europoors being autistic and not understanding the political definition of free

Of course it's not literally free. The point is that it's paid in taxes by everyone so it costs less, not in bulk up front.

I can't tell if you guys are just joking or if you actually can't comprehend this.

>you would literally be doing this same thing if you were living in Europe but just by paying taxes

You have to be trolling.

Capitalism in action:

Your health insurance premiums have risen steadily for a decade.

Health insurance companies stocks have risen steadily for a decade.

Enjoy making the rich richer.

See

That's different than me paying for my own health insurance. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I'll take my quality healthcare and pay for it over your shitty "free" healthcare any day.

not falling for the "greater good" lie.

Socialism only works when people areny lazy and complicent accepting handouts. Nuff said

>Socialism is about living in a dream world
>Capitalism is about living in the real world

I'm American. And wealthy. Just pointing out the stupidity of the average lower to middle class American.

They could get so much more out of life if they weren't so damn dumb. Instead they let the rich run riot.

all stocks have risen steadily over the past decade moron its called a healthy economy in a growth cycle

The working 'poor' as you say, at least earn it. No I'll never be rich and I don't really care.

Neets, illegals, meth heads and ghetto trash don't deserve a penny.

Whose dream? Not mine, I don’t dream about being in 90% tax bracket

nothing is "free".

lrn2economics.

Yet the health insurance companies whine and cry and lobby the government to be able to buttfuck you even more. They're making record profits every quarter.

>And the fact that literally every communist and socialist state has failed and resulted in the deaths of millions.

Yeah, RIP peace Canada, England, France, Germany, Scandinavia. never forget.

Deserve? Definitely no

But they should definitely get some or they’ll either rob or riot. Most likely both. That’s what social security is for

I didn't know the mandate of heaven was talking about you

Really? What would you propose we do Daddy Warbucks?

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They’re a fucking publicly listed company you beggar, what do you expect them to do? Give free handouts?

You realize these freeloaders (illegals, lifelong welfare recipients, etc) are already mooching off the system and you're paying for it, right? I mean if a meth head goes to the ER, they're not turning them away. They're adding in to your bill indirectly.

With nationalized healthcare, at least you'd benefit too.

Sup Forums lives matter gtfo

>Canada, England, France, Germany and Scandinavia are socialist and communist states

Gave me a good kek user.

So if we dont give them handouts they will riot. Thats like saying if we dont let a phycopath kill occasionally they may become a serial killer.. no, just no.

The communists right beside Best Korea looks pretty bright from space. I agree

Not communist but definitely socialist countries.

>rob or riot
That's what prisons are for. I'd actually like to see welfare reduced to $50 per month, per person with no housing, just shelters with 8pm curfews and mandatory employment.

its ok, he hates corporations, but doesnt understand economics, just give the ignorant a pass.
(kidding)

Starvation
Murder
Corruption

The difference is in numbers user. That’s all that is. Whatever’s the efficient way to control them. The goverment looks at you as numbers and statistics, not individuals

this has been one of the dumbest analogies i've seen today
and i was on a vegan thread where op tried to compare humans to cattle

At this point, there's not much we can do. America's sold its soul for profit and it'll reap what it sowed. For profit healthcare, education, prisons, etc. Everything is for sale.

The poor will continue to get poorer. The rich will get richer.

>Canada, England, France, Germany and Scandinavia are socialist states.

I take it you didn't finish school.

you're a fucking moron mate


do us all a favor and educate yourself

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Not only are they socialist countries, but the quality of living far surpasses the U.S.

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Yep, pretty much. It would take a massive war to upset this perfectly rigged system.

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Let me explain some economics to you. There's no trickle down. The end.

Prison’s more expensive than the handouts tho, because you need to pay extra for the guards and security equipments. On top of feeding, clothing, and housing them

Very shitty food and clothes, for sure. But they still cost money

> Why is some guy paid a million/year, when clearly nobody need that much

Why is it always poorfags that says this?

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lol, just proved my point, you know.. nothing.

Nothing but vague generalizations, obviously you just found out that bitching at your mom is not a marketable skill

simple solution is to move out and live where you can afford it

Competition.

All that needs to be said, you fairy tail lazy fucking fag. Stfu and be bottom half...

They very much are socialist states you fucking toolbag. They pay high taxes and have many social programs which benefit their society as a result. Get a clue.

Or you could just have country that bases its economy on a system that tries to find balance between the two and be far superior to either capitalism or socialism.

He means uni you fuck

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But its cheaper lrn2sucklessdicks