Whenever I hacve a discussion about Feminism, I try to bring up how feminists are angry persons who hate men and masculinity.
This always gets the reply:
>not all feminists are like that. In fact, those are a tiny minority who are just noticed because they scream the loudest.
How do I revoke this?
What are some quality arguments against feminism, that can't be refuted?
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not all nazis killed jews
some of them fought on the front lines (to them war might not be inherently, objectively wrong (oh wait))
>inb4 holocaust didn haben
that's not the point, just use it for that discussion. they'll understand that example
Thanks! Sounds like a good plan. One could adjust this to many other examples.
Any other ideas? Not to my example of a conversation but in general.
There's no point. For some people, "feminist" means a normal person who thinks men and women should be equal. For other people, a real feminist is the stereotypical insufferable SJW. Anything in between is also possible.
Unfortunately the SJWs will always be able to be insufferable cunts in the name of feminism, while falling back on the "all feminism means is that I think men and women should be equal!" thing if they ever feel like they might be losing. Any feminist who's clearly nuts and hates men will of course be just an outlier and not all feminists are like that. Hell, that might even be true, it's not like I know "all feminists" or even a tiny fraction of them.
It all adds up to a huge waste of time trying to argue with them. Easiest thing to do is just accept that feminism is shit and not worth arguing for or against, and ignore them. There's plenty of stuff you can find on google if you just want to circlejerk about it, but all that will do is make you mad for no reason.
I can't really avoid discussing it, since the topic is always brought up over and over again.
You cannot do anything about feminism. It is simply a natural extension of female entitlement and gynocentrism. It is not a "political movement" as people claim it is.
Really? Like in actual conversations with people you know? You have my sympathy
In that case it's all the more reason to hide your power level desu. It's just not an argument that's likely to win you many friends.
Why are you attempting to explain abstract concepts to toddlers?
Oh, wait, sorry, I meant to write, why are you having discussions about feminism?
Replies, replies, everywhere and not an argument to be found.
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My point was, you can't argue against it.
Unless you want to be seen as a "lesser man" because you shun chivalry and don't want to """protect""" women by """giving them rights""", there's nothing you can do.
Fine, I'll give you one.
> If you have a feminist political issue you like and want to do some activism, that's good for you. But if feminism is a big part of your personal identity like people tend to make it, then you're making a mode of thinking that's clearly centered on anger, frustration, resentment, and division along the most personal lines that can be used to divide people. It's bad for your mental health.
Pretty much unassailable, any feminist with any experience with feminists will see the truth in it even if they'll immediately tell you that you're mansplaining and faking sympathy for their feelings and mental state in order to be an ass and discredit their fundamental beliefs.
Try living in Washington, Literally went on a date and her Icebreaker is Bernie Saunders and white privilege.
The State of Washington is just a giant game of whos the biggest victim.
Thanks to intersectionality feminism is about as nebulous a term as "racist" is. Everyone has a different meaning for the word. There are a few ways of shutting it down:
A) Find a way that supposedly tame feminists share radical pre-suppositions with the radical SJWs
B) Destroy the entire notion of equality between anything at all. No two individuals are alike, let alone the two entire sexes.
Something helpful for you OP
"Well the vocal minority is extremely toxic and if you care about how your cause is viewed, you should fight against them"
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>what is feminism about
>equality of sexes
>name one thing feminism has done for men
>uuuugggghhhhhhhhhh rape!
I don't think this has been posted in a while.
Also, if they say that they're looking for equal rights, ask them what rights men have that women don't, and watch them squirm.
I love this image
it's a good argument OP if you HAVE to argue go with this, memorize it word for word
Saved this gold. Thanks user.
I like these threads.
Most people are optimistic idiots.
Adding to this, they treat blacks like children and whites like adults. If a black man kills a black man, you excuse it like it was a child hitting a friend and blaming the "parent" (whites) for not stopping an autonomous person.
When a white man kills a black man, it must be racism, after all a black can do no wrong, a white kkk member must have slain this poor "child".
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I work with children and this is just fucked up. You tell a 5 year old they are a girl, they will believe you. "'Mommy said it so it is right" is literally the entirety of their thought process.
Shaping a kid to be LGBT because you want a "trendy" kid, a trophy, a "look at how tolerant I am other suburban people!" Toy is one of the worst things you can do to a child.
Sorry you have to raise a normal kid, sorry your life sucks, but making a kid into something they aren't just because it is trendy is really fucked up. This is akin to when gang members tattoo their kids with their gang, at least a tattoo can be covered up, emotional pain is forever.
this is why shitposting is the best. you sometimes find gold to be treasured forever and its magical what people can come up with
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wow, pic related is gold.
Damn our government is full of cucks
Yeah, I hate that chick
kek, someone give this kid life time pussy
I used to have a workup for this one explaining the supposed pay gap that showed that these higher concentrated male jobs pay more and that men are the ones taking these programs in college while women all go to school to be nurses and teachers which are very low paying
>emotional pain is forever.
This is too real right now
I hate this shit let kids find for themselves who they are. If they grow up gay so what, same if they come out straight . Sure they are gonna have to some soul searching and its scary but its them finding who they are and not who they are told to be. this sounds cheesey as fuck but its what I believe.
>A rapist
>40 womyn
>Why don't you believe the womynz?
Child care/kindergarten (and earlier) teacher here.
There is open discrimination in the child care industry against men. Some places seek out men (a father figure! They think) others openly refuse to hire men ("just throw this resume in the garbage, it's a male name"). Most will accept a male but only if women don't apply.
I doubt "boiler maker" has that problem with women.
>gender is a social construct
In order to prove gender is not a social construct, you just need to look in your pants.
I don't believe that people who actually believe that gender is a social construct exist, no one can be that stupid
especially look at the percentages around the 80% men. every engineer is a man, every one that goes to college for engineering is a man, engineers get paid more, I found your missing 25 cents or whatever it is feminists
Never bet against humans being stupid
and yeah obviously you can't get a male elementary school teacher, he'll rape the kids!
Not really surprised, I suspect the same thing happens in primary (or "elementary") schools. Might have something to do with the media only ever showing male pedos and how "it's always someone you think you can trust!!"
Thank you for the contributions, everyone!
I'm glad to see that not every thread on this board is cancer.
has anyone some clear examples of how feminism actively worked against men? For exmaple: Make a law that discriminates against men.
>How do I revoke this?
You can't, because it's true. Normal ordinary feminists can't shut up the screechy ones. Should we abandon feminism just because those women have tainted it? If we form a new movement those harpies will just follow us there and keep screeching.
Damn, you beat me. Have a Pepe.
Pretty sure feminists are busy fucking up the UK. They made a whole bunch of laws about the porn they can make and watch. They also redefined rape so that forced to penetrate doesn't count. A few other things like that.
Then there were the social media things. The dude who got abused for wearing a shirt that had women on it when landing a fucking probe on a moving comet, and the guy in Canada who couldn't use the internet for 3 years because a bunch of feminists decided it would happen.
I do not, but I have a few more
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They forgot 'President' at the bottom of the list
>Should we abandon feminism just because those women have tainted it?
Yes.
Next point: I often hear the following pro-feminism argument:
>if feminism has been hijacked by men-hating women, it's your job to call yourself a feminist and clear the word from it's negative associations.
Note: I've never ever ever called myself a feminist. However, I often hear the argument:
>even if you're not admitting to be a feminist, if you stnad for values like equality between the sexes, you're automatically a feminist.
Feminists should know that no means no
>They also redefined rape so that forced to penetrate doesn't count.
First, does that really make it "impossible" by law to rape men? Wouldn't it be, that any sexual act aginst the other parties consent counts as rape? That SHOULD include men as well. Do you have a source that proves how male rape victims got no justice in court because of that law?
just say that you don't think of yourself as a feminist because you see everyone is equal. if you ever see someone not being treated equally you stand up for them because that's what's right, not just because they're a woman.
their heads will explode. they'll tell you that all women are being treated unfairly and you have been brainwashed not to see it. then just say I don't see men and women being treated unfairly I just see people that are, and I help them.
LOL. I remember that day. Many a kek was had.
Any ideology that cherry picks someone's problems based on a characteristic of their identity inherently ignores other problems of society to the detriment of other groups.
Women are not without their problems. But men:
>Are 6x as likely to commit suicide
>More likely to be in prison
>More likely to be a victim of violent assault
>Have little to no support resources for instances like rape
>Die earlier
>Have more health problems
>Are noticeably less well off in regards to mental health treatment
>Comprise 96% of workplace deaths
>If a man and woman commit the same crime a man gets the longer sentence
>Are less educated
Saying this doesn't meant we should ignore women's problems. But I think it is better to work towards solving the problems of society without fighting for any one ideology or labeling yourself into a tiny intellectual pen.
I have a bunch of stuff but I really don't feel like posting it all again
If you are a feminist, you are not for equality or being equals as men.
If the wage gap is do to wage negotiations, then its your fault, grow a spine and negotiate.
If you didn't want me to stare at your chest, WHY THE FUCK do you have a logo or some type of writing across your shirt or no shirt on?
Why is it ok for women to call men pigs and rapists but men cannot call women sluts?
Why are you complaining about the way a female videogame characters is designed but not about people like Kim K, Minaj, and others have their ass out and cleavage showing?
Why are you not complaining about men being shown shirtless with muscles and handsome, but you will complain about women with a bust or in a sexy outfit?
Unequivocally BTFO
Post it.
Give me a minute and I'll pastebin it, I'm too tired for all this shit
I have an argument. I used it once, and it was semi effective. Note: I was arguing with a woman.
I was presented with the following claim:
>There might be bad feminists, but the original movement has good values. Therefore, the bad feminists should not discourage you to call yourself a feminist.
I countered this as follows:
>There are also other political movements that have good values, for example conservatism (never change a running system, preserve what has proven to be good.) However, there are people among the conservatives who want to ban abortion. Would you call yourself a conservative, even though there are people among them who deny you your right over your own body?
What do you think of this, guys?
Because less than 10 living people have ever held that job. These stats are only for a few years anyway, so maybe through 2 presidencies? Maybe.
So 2 people isn't exactly a job market.
They probably don't get anything done ever.
>to come out as straight
lol wat
Awful
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If there was an 11th commandment it would have been this.
This is really fucking real
Thing is, those kids haven't grown up yet. Soon enough, they'll enter adult life, and get completely fucked in it. I can imagine that suicide rates will skyrocket, and the ones who don't an hero will end up in Sup Forums, on our eternal ride.
This is very good, thank you for posting!
I thought about the following: When you're arguing with a feminist, you make the claim that feminism has focused on women and has never done anything positive for men. Calim that feminism is sexist towards men.
I guarantee you, for 100% that your opponent will claim that feminism just seeks equality between the sexes, which includes men as well.
They move on to ask what your opponent's opinion about the following issues:
>male circumcision
>males committing over 90% of all suicides
>males being the victims of over 90% of all deadly workplace accidents
>boys being told they're worth less than girls in primary school (this is actually a thing here in germany)
Your feminist opponent will then probably admit that he/she doesn't know jackshit about those issues.
After that, you deal the final blow:
>How can you claim that feminism cares about men's issies, when not even you, as a self described feminist care about them?
What do you think?
Why? Remember, I don't believe those things about conservatism myself, I just tried to trick her into giving into my point with an issue that she (as a feminist obviously) cares about.
Go away Molyneux.
It means that men can't rape women legally.
On a phone, so could be difficult to find a source, sorry.
Well you can always try (but I don't recommend ) that you attack the premise on which feminism is built.
Men and women are equal so they deserve equal rights.
The easiest way to prove this one wrong is using two simple facts. Men are stronger than women, men are more expendable.
As such men face the draft, something women don't, and they are better soliders than women so conscription only affects men. As men have less rights it would only be fair that they get more rights or privileges to compensate.
I get you, user. The video provides a good evidence for your claim. But the question i have is:
Why?
why would the CIA do a project like this? Is it like a new mind control program(like MKUltra)?
why? social control muthafucker. destroy the family unit, then female against male. divide and rule.
This x 83930289842809
But which role does the CIA play? aren't they supposed to protect the USA? I feel like feminism is a huge threat to not only the US, but the whole western world.
It is. Especially when you keep in mind that feminism and leftism has merged into one single movement.