>The Government Accountability Office said the Pentagon was one of several departments where "legacy systems" urgently needed to be replaced.
>The report said taxpayers spent $61bn (£41bn) a year on maintaining ageing technologies
>The report said that the Department of Defence systems that co-ordinated intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear bombers and tanker support aircraft "runs on an IBM Series-1 Computer - a 1970s computing system - and uses eight-inch floppy disks".
>"However, to address obsolescence concerns, the floppy drives are scheduled to be replaced with secure digital devices by the end of 2017."
I'm sorry our country isn't part robot like your's is, chingo.
Ryan Rogers
>"However, to address obsolescence concerns, the floppy drives are scheduled to be replaced with secure digital devices by the end of 2017." Ya secure just like Clintons emails and other things the Chinese have hacked, holy fuck we are screwed.
Isaac Morris
>However, to address obsolescence concerns, the floppy drives are scheduled to be replaced with secure digital devices by the end of 2017. I doubt the government is still able to do things like that.
Ian Young
I can't believe that in this current year we have to pay for the military extra to use Save icons
Austin Gray
If it works who gives a shit? Security is paramount so change for the sake of change is discouraged.
Matthew Howard
Oh let me use a computer that can be hacked!
The BBC needs to stop pretending that they're geniuses.
Hudson Baker
It's actually more secure than any modern system. New doesn't always mean better.
Evan Long
This is it guys. The US is fucked when they replace those computers.
Prepare for happenings
Luis Campbell
>and uses eight-inch floppy disks". and you post a 5 and 1/4 inch disk. I thought japs where good with technology.
Tyler Stewart
Yes, people in Japan still use floppy dicks.
Ryder Myers
i agree, lets move our nuclear launch codes to the cloud
Gabriel Sanders
Doesn't surprise me at all
There is whole factions of the government copying notes by hand and shit
William Green
And my phone has more computing power than most satellites in outer space. What's your point?
Proven and resilient technology > modern and flimsy bleeding edge
Michael Anderson
> Implying we'll all still be alive by then
Jeremiah Gray
this
Thomas Edwards
Fpbp They're full proof when it comes to security and everyone around the world never really had time to adapt to the tech and the ones that did destroyed everything related to them decades ago It's full proof really
Nathaniel Gonzalez
I think I trust the government to be able to change a floppy disk. I know they mess up a lot, but I really think we can do it this time.
Gabriel Sullivan
Don't space ships use ancient computers as well because if something does go catastrophically wrong you can fix it on the fly without being two hundred chinese children with soldering irons? I sure as shit wouldn't want the nuclear arsenal going offline for 12 hours because windows 10 automatically installed itself.
Elijah Johnson
All modern hardware is full of backdoors.
Landon Parker
Good. We let Russia into our computers on thumb drives.
Jonathan Reyes
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Brandon Morgan
Those old floppies were so comfy. I remember how amazing it was to save my little beginner's text-based adventure games on a floppy.
Alexander Sanders
>full proof
Andrew Thomas
>Sup Forums leaks nuclear launch codes >the nukening brings a giant wave of normies and international spies to the site
jdimsa
David Bell
pro tip:
any piece of technology being upgraded/introduced into nuclear systems have to be tested and tested and tested and retested to ensure that shit wont accidentally the midwest.
Ayden Allen
It's "fool proof" you dip.
Bentley Harris
Yep, spot on. No way to access the data on a floppy disk without getting your hands on it. More secure than keeping the info in a database somewhere
Asher Clark
Is it true that using these old computers is more secure? To hack these older systems, you would have to have physical access to them? Once the transition to digital devices it complete, would it be reasonable to think that they could be hacked without having physical access? Am I wrong?
Josiah Jones
It's a huge mistake. The closer to analogue the better.
Isaiah Powell
its a doggy dog world
David Clark
>Inb4 Windows 10 upgrade
Landon Garcia
There's also a reason SKYKING transmits on open channels. One Tine Ciphers can't be hacked, either.
Can't hack what you can dial-up on a 28.8k baud modem.
Mason White
There are no spies on this website. Please continue discussing this topic as planned.
Nathaniel Nelson
Right, it is fully functional and runs fine the way it is. Not everything is about speed and power, in fact a lot of new stuff I get like phones tablets and custom built PCs, things fail a lot and some things are still laggy as fuck...
Kayden Jones
Wow, we should really upgrade these systems. Connect them to the Internet and give all the silos their own twitter accounts so they can communicate better. Also they should all be running on foreign made hardware, what could go wrong?
Josiah Diaz
The PS2 has more computing power than an entire SSBN. so...yeah, fuck off.
Jose Ramirez
We use hydraulic computing as one of the duplicates for the control system of dead hand Dont think using modern electronics matter, it is not
Luke Kelly
i don't like the idea of aliens flying around with a bunch of ching chong tech workers. enough!
Leo Diaz
Basically they're "hack-proof," by the popular misunderstanding of hacking as unintended access, since the only way to mess with them is to already have access at the physical site and deliberately misuse them. It's not all progress, kids, some of it goes backwards.
Christian Adams
It's true. Modern hardware is designed to prevent airgapping.
Ryan Morales
Have to install 8.1 first
Maybe the disks contain a .txt file with all launch codes
Tyler Campbell
These days, hackers are a diamond dozen. It's opened season on our nukes for all intensive purposes
Jacob Bell
What kind of individual would laugh at that. I know, an uneducated one. Dumbass, magnetic tape is by far the most wear and age resistant way of storing data that we have right now, maybe soon they will develop some other way, but for now it is.
Zachary Hernandez
and?
does it STILL launch the nukes?
then what they fuck does it matter?
you don't want that in some kind of vulnerable format
why "modernize" it?
that doesn't always mean better you know
Jordan Cook
thats good very good
Levi Edwards
>security by obscurity
Christopher Price
why is everyone thinking this shit will be connected to the internet, it'll probably be isolated from other wireless/outside communication sources. i'm worried those "secure" devices will end up being simple USBs that will be hacked a few months after they are made
Brody Peterson
Why would they change it when it works?
Lincoln Johnson
reminds me of Battlestar Galactica
Christopher Nelson
>what is bit rot Sup Forums, stop mouthing off about shit if you don't know anything about the topic
Juan Reed
It's for hardest EMP ever, when your balls literally can boil, computer will still work.
Parker Mitchell
You need to move гвapдeйcкaя тaнкoвaя Кaнтeмиpoвcкaя дивизия AWAY from Estonia, NOW.
We see what you're up to. Don't try to take Narva.
Evan Sullivan
Have you changed your roational volicidencer lately? You really should.
Wyatt Butler
Not necessarily. The computers on newer vehicles like Dragon are modern.
Older vehicles like the space shuttle had computers that ran on 1MB of memory (after an upgrade in the 90s), because the thing was designed in the 1970s.
You don't actually need that much processing power to control a spacecraft. You do all the heavy calculations on Earth, then radio the commands to the spacecraft.
Jordan Hall
hold on, are you telling me, hold up, that the registry is getting rusty?
Tyler Morales
>Putting your nukes under control of Windont
Charles Gonzalez
it's actually better that way really, keep the super computers planetside to do the heavy lifting
Liam Myers
Floppies are secure. The best security us physical security.
A lot of business still uses em tape for backups too. Safe, secure, and high capacity.
Easton Richardson
>they're full proof >the real reason they still use the old systems is because they are a diamond dozen.
William Thompson
Leddit pls go.
Julian Ross
>tfw they'll use Chinese electronics with in the new system >Get hacked by China who will remotely launch nukes to kill their enemies and have the US get nuked for it
arr according to pran
Nathan Hill
Suomi, plz tell Marju I love her.
Julian Wright
>Indian dicks don't even flop
And in comes literally the only nation on the planet and in all of human history that has no vantage point from which to make dick jokes at Japan.
Zachary Peterson
Modern computers are just as hack-proof as old ones so long as they aren't networked. You would still need physical access in order to hack it.
Ian Turner
>full proof >diamond dozen
Cooper Peterson
Former database administrator here.
This is 100% true. Our worst fears were someone coming in with a USB thumb drive, copying information, and then leaving unprotected. 100% complete isolation from the network doesn't mean shit if someone can waltz right in and hook up a wifi dongle or storage drive
This is why a lot of corps are still using AS/400 even though it's "outdated". We had IBM 9404 systems. No USB devices. Most everything done with physical tape backup.
Jose Cooper
if it aint broke, dont fix it... pic related
Robert Wright
Can't be wirelessly fucked with? The horror!
On a tangentially related noted: As it turns out, our safest reactor designs are forty years old because those fuckers knew what they were doing unlike our current generation of No Child Left Behind fuckwits. They didn't get there easy, though. It took a lot of fuckups to clear the air and quit stapling Metal Gear engineers to the bunker ceiling. By Metal Gear, I mean we had several nuclear tanks in experimental phases before we decided to stop designing reactors like the Russians.
Landon Sanchez
We still use nukes too, so what?
Nicholas Hill
"full proof" means that the security of the system can be fully proven, you au jour.
Jace Smith
For real though, can you imagine some fucking Russian mole finally getting clearance to a high security area, rolling in with his super duper hidden USB device and finding a cabinet full of sleeved up floppies?
Levi Cruz
this so fucking hard. just god damn. having to account for human antics. fuck my life.
Nolan Rogers
Also; Imagine having to shelve a portable 5 1/4 floppy drive up his ass to get in and copy some material?
Levi Martin
military nuclear networks are an intranet, closed off from the internet. Its been built that way since the beginning of ARPANet.
Josiah Perez
>Mfw even drunk I an still aptly fuck with grammar whores You guys are more fun than a barrel full of monkeys No they've literally kept them because of how hard they are to just steal outright. Also >8" floppy's >A dime a dozen Let me know when you can find someone who will burn an old laserdisk for you cunt and then we can talk about the cost of making floppy's that literally had the shelf life of less than a decade
Leo Mitchell
>Implying they haven't already
Eli Smith
They use them for a reason.
This is the reason.
Connor Bell
Dude, i find so many unsecured mongo databases daily and its just simple connection on 3389 and switching to another database inside and you can take whatever you want.
Wyatt Rogers
RIP
Connor Howard
My ID wills it, TRANNY WAR NOW
Hunter Bennett
I haven't read the thread, so I apologize if someone has already mentioned this.
Projections for the federal budget use Fortran, a program from the fucking 50s. The government tried to move to a different program and it wasn't as accurate for some reason, so they just said "fuck it" and kept Fortran. I would not be surprised if the same thing happens with the DoD.
Blake Bell
why would you tell people this?
Kevin Hernandez
[gulags internally]
Sebastian Perez
If it is full proof I would like to see a fool proof deriving your conclusion. After all, it's a doggy dog world and posters are a diamond dozen.
Michael Wright
>tfw still have a bunch of shit from childhood saved on floppies but can't be fucked buying a floppy drive
I should eventually, before they disappear.
Also my Video Vinyl is worthless now that my machine broke. Buying a new one is so expensive.
Dominic Gonzalez
Just need a unit to copy from floppy to internal hard drive. Not hard to do.
Ada is still used for embedded programming in the aerospace industry. And many places still use COBAL, chiefly finance.
Nathan Richardson
>Millenial Russian mole gets in
>"What the fuck is this?"
>Desperately looking for a photocopier so he can copy the discs
But yeah, floppies actually sound like a good idea now that I think about it. Less space than tape, more secure than USB accessible terminals.
Luis Mitchell
This I have cassette tapes with programs on them my dad wrote from the 70s, The dye on cd's starts to degrade after 7 to 10 years hdd's WILL eventually fuck up but there no certainty when they will, flash memory only has so many write cycles and degrades slowly throughout its life. Tape Is still the best choice if you want to keep data intact for a long time.
Ethan Mitchell
Its COBOL. I'm worried I might need to learn it.
Brody Powell
>dead hand >not automatic
it's not really a dead hand... it just lets the military launch without any politicians input.
Zachary Hughes
How many write cycles are you realistically gonna use for nuclear secrets?
not many
Aaron Reed
See my post below that but;
Imagine shelving this thing in your ass cheeks.
Brody Walker
>Mfw my dad used to run ticker tape for TELECOM back in the 70's >Mfw where he worked they kept the info hub running but using magnets in the floor that basically created unlimited energy >Mfw that shit was built in the early 60's >Yfw you realize that the US solved the energy crisis back in the 60's but never told anyone because you don't make money off unlimited free energy
Jordan Wright
Honestly, things haven't changed that much in a decade. Just like my old company was still using an antiquated timelock vault system from the 1960's because it was more secure than a new "digital" system.
How many people nowadays can crack one of those old systems versus cracking some computer code?
Now I do consulting for network/data security and I move all of my clients towards "legacy" systems.
It's also a reason why you see so many businesses sticking within Windows XP.