AR or shotgun?

AR or shotgun?
What breed are you?

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But those are two shotguns...

pistol for edc defense against assault and mugging
shotgun for home defense
rifle for defense against invasion and unconstitutional government action

You already know what I'm all about.

Have some bonus points

AR stands for ARmalite a weapon manufacturing and design company
not for assault rifle

AR for pretty much everything except concealed carry; then a handgun, of course. Very few things a shotgun can do that a rifle can't do better except shoot birds.

Also, I'll take shotguns anyday of the week. Given the flexibility of the ammo its the smarter choice.

No one said it did.

We know this faggot

so you want to know if Sup Forums prefers armalite weapons or generic shotguns?
that is a retarded comparison
and I would rather have a small rock than anything made or designed by armalite

Context you fucking spaz. Its inferred that OP meant the AR-15 platform vs various shotgun platforms.

No one in their right minds uses *AR when speaking about Armalite Rifles/Company anymore except asshats wanting to sound smart on the interbutts.

Aside from intimidation, what advantages does a shotgun have over a pistol for home defence?

Wow..who would have thought a bunch of autistic faggots would show up.
“Rifle or shotgun” is what faggot op was asking.

Master race coming through

bird shot has lower penetration meaning you can kill an intruder if you hit but won't kill your kid in the next room if you miss
you could get shot loads for your pistol, but those tend to fuck up rifling and you lose the intimidation factor

Im having a boner

>kill intruder with birdshot
Fuck no. Please stop being retarded.

Please go be an idiot somewhere else.

Do you wake up at night from a nightmare in which you correct no one in your sleep?

birdshot has enough penetration to kill a person across any room unless you live in a warehouse

sturdy ol' m1 garand
or mosin go innawoods

Can be done. At really close range. However its far more likely you'll just knock the fight right out of them without the loss of life.

>activeresponsetraining.net/bird-shot-for-self-defense

AR-15 no doubt for home defense.

My 12g is good for hunting critters and taking down trees for firewood.

Ahaha yeah absolute safe fucking kill... why dont you just throw marbles at him?

>shoot a guy with birdshot
>won't penetrate wall and kill your kids in next room

tfw i can put my fist through sheetrock but a shotgun won't penetrate
feels good man

and, it stands to reason, overpenetrate

dumb argument is still dumb

less lethal rounds make less mess when putting an intruder out of action
but it opens you up to criminal charges and civil suits in many localities

>cutting trees with a shotgun
>being serious
Wow. You are another level of retarded. Why would they let someone like you have a gun? You are obviously not responsible enough to use one.

it will penetrate both layers of sheetrock
but it will lose most of its punch making it less likely to cause a fatal injury to an unintended target

Then start building your houses of stone and not wood and paper... americans are fucking weabos living in paper houses.

I modified my AR-15 so it fires .22 long rifle rounds.

What do I win?
>pic related

Neither. An early 20th century surplus service rifle is all I would need for any target shooting or hunting, and using guns for self defense is a crime here in poutineland

This. Alot like being a field over when someone is hunting quail or dove. You sometimes get shot raining down on you but nothing that causes an damage.

Shotguns tend to be preferred by middle eastern and africans as far as combat goes (outside the standard white arms enthusiast)...while rifles are usually preferred by brits and asians (outside the typical white preference). indians prefer pistols and natives usually go with crossbows.

Absolutely nothing? Why would you do this and not just buy a .22lr?
Fucking nerd.

what about shooting a robber in your house in the middle of the night close range? with kids and dogs at home you really wanna spray the AR all over the place Rambo style right? I guess you will be just siting at your window knowing beforehand and sniping the bad guys till SWAT arrives and kills you

Yeah no. No. 1 buckshot barely meets fbi minimum penetration requirements. Even thats questionable.
Your site says its damn near useless for defense unless your defense is to scare them away.
People have been hit with birdshot within 10ft and just walk that shit off.
youtu.be/_F_KuFzjOGA

You can use birdshot for defense all you want. I dont believe its intelligent at all. Many tests show handguns with frangible rounds or 223 will penetrate less walls than buckshot or even standard handgun rounds while also stopping a BG.

Do as you like though.

I did it to increase the range and stopping power

Not user but I built one to introduce my nephew to the AR layout. Still take it out every now and again to plink.

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Whats retarded about it bro? one shell of steel load can take down a 5" thick piece of wood. Way more fun and quicker than using an axe.

Do you know the difference between falling and getting shot? No? But Birdshot knows it and i'm pretty sure it would penetrate your empty skull while falling, if it only had the energy.
Protip: you could fire a 50bmg into the air and the falling projectile would barely hurt you.

i love me a nice .22 gauge shotgun.

Wait... why do less lethal rounds make it easier to get prosecuted due to self defense?

ever heard about tornadoes? stone is more expensive and will submit to the wind either way

What rail?

>triggered /k/ommandos will fall for this

>Your site says its damn near useless for defense unless your defense is to scare them away.
I know. Thats why I linked it. And bothered to state the whole 'knock the fight right out of them...' thing.

In certain States you're better off just scaring them away. And if you absolutely need to shoot them its better to use a less lethal option and wound them than show intent to kill and wound them. Sadly I'm in one of those states.

a true master of the blade has no need of guns

>to introduce my nephew to the AR layout
Why would you introduce your nephew to a shitty outdated gun, that has a german clone superior in every way? Are you one of these retards who prioritize their patriotism over the safety of his family?

some states prohibit them all together
every where else there is enough judicial precedent that using less lethal ammunition shows intent to cause grievous harm rather than self defense
and if the intruder lives then he has cause for suit, although the case will most likely be dismissed early. but it does mean you need money for a lawyer and court fees even if you win

how do i thumbs up comments on this site? I like this one.

SLR Rifleworks Helix.

Probably the thinnest/lightest rail that isn't sharp on the hands and not outrageously expensive.

No it wont idiot. Why do you think all the stonehouses still stand in the destroyed areas after a tornado? The roof and the windows are gone, but not the house itself.

Damn that's sucks... Also thanks for the info

Passing through 2 layers of sheet rock and wood pretty much guarantees #8 shot won't have the energy to inflict anything but superficial damage.

it wouldn't be the first time when the trespassing individual gets even a financial compensation with a good case and a good lawyer team, better just use shotgun which makes it almost impossible to survive the encounter

Yes. But also 3 layers of thick clothing prevent it from stopping your opponent

that would be the basement, only if you wish to live in a hole with stone walls, you can call it a win with a tornado

put a hashtag then the post number and write "+1 Internetz"

this is also why you can't (legally) booby trap your house

too bad that AR is a .22

ARs are garbage. They can't hit shit unless you're firing into a crowd. Shotguns are a gentleman's firearm, useful for hunting all manner of game.

>2017
>not packing your walls and subflooring with sandbags

explain hunting traps all over my properly (land) that you need to pass before you get to the front door, there is a fence and warnings, if you proceed either way that is all on you

Because its the gun I am most aquainted with. Just like my father taught me to shoot on a 30 Carbine and M1 Garand. I'm sure the boy will be teaching his sons or nephews on some other platform yet to come.

Quit drinking so much Koolaid.

is the post number like something on their profile?

/k/

>why did you shoot mr criminal
He broke into my house
>yes but was he going to hurt you?
I was in fear for my life
>then why did you use less lethal force?
????

Some state will completely fuck you over for this. Its a nice thought and very few people actually want to have to kill someone but you would be better off in most of the US if you shoot to stop the threat.

Very very few states are like that, but its better overall if you do scare them away, that said its objectively worse than pretty much any other situation if you scare them away by shooting them.
And no you are also much much more worse off if you shoot them to injure them than shoot to stop. I.e. your better off shooting some one 5 times center mass than trying to explain how your life was in danger but you had time to try to aim to shoot them in the leg, because you clearly werent that worried for your life.

I dont agree with that logic but thats exactly how a prosecutor will set up the situation to the judge/jury.

Just because you assume something to be a certain way, it wont automatically be case.

>not taking a Remington 870 police edition
>taking the 870 and loading it with anything except 000 buck

If it ain't gonna blow a hole in his chest big enough for a wooly mammoth to fuck, it's basically useless

I was looking at the slr rails and the battle arms rigidrail. I havent quite decided which I'm more after.

>sandbags
>EF5 category

Kek

more a thing for earthquakes where I live

that has nothing to do with my argument, posting a random picture of a housing structure, that could be damaged for what I know by flying ducks, send a stone house directly hit by f5 tornado where the occupants are safely siting in the living room and enjoying a play of monopoly

for a self defense arguement a reasonable person in the same circumstances would need to believe there is a legitimate threat to life, limb, or eyesight
if there is someone in the house, then it is easily argued that the intruded intended to kill or harm the occupant
if there is no one in the house, then self-defense can't be argued at all
and by setting the traps before there is a threat you are demonstrating intent to cause grievous harm instead of self defense

I like them both

Well that scenario escalated quickly.

Also, checked.

I use .22 ratshot for home defense

Doesnt matter.

Same way if you own a pool and you retarded neighbors fuckhead kid drowns in it even if they were trespassing you can get royally fucked in court.

>i use a shitty gun cause murica tells me to
>my father was just as retarded as i am
>hopefully my nephew(cause im unable to procreate cause fucking gay, fat and soft mikropenis, so i'll never have children lol) will be a fucking retard too when he grew up
I hope your family gets exterminated soon.

get those turkshit guns off of my board. begone roaches

other than having a giant ball of cement half covered in the ground, there is not much of a structure to withstand such force

I use a .177 air gun. Your going to kill someone on the otherside of the walls with your set up.

The correct answer is submachinegun

>german gun
You mean the shit that melts?

Reverse image search it if you dont believe faggot. Im not going to show you shit. You are claiming shit to justify your 3rd world lowlife-ass living in a ruin. You go ahead and prove your fucking point you highschool dropout.

>Soviet March soundtrack intensifies

>not sure if serious kek or retarded kek

A dirty AR. Enjoy cleaning that nasty gas tube.

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forgot SMG for guerilla warfare in the third case

how do you know if I am home or not? having a dog to patrol the property that can kill you is also a self defense and for the traps, those are for hunting, to kill other animals, if you step on a bear trap, well yes there is the harm and likely death but this trap is set to kill a bear not you and you ignored the warnings

I'm talking about hk416s and i dont know what you are talking about.

Mossberg 500, pump action, 20 gauge. Cheap, reliable, practically indestructible, shoot shot or slugs, and even unloaded is a formidable weapon. Practical for most situations (excluding concealed carry and long range hunting, which the AR also sucks at).

AR is for tiny dicked rednecks with a gun military (or mass murder) fetish.

the federal government owns some lakes, if you drown in one of them, the feds are liable to compensate for you life

More likely first shot incapacitation. Shotguns are the most likely to kill with the first shot, even against actually high powered rifles. They cause highly effective and borderline untreatable traumatic injuries.

You make alot of assumptions there. None of them right. Your b8 is tasteless but I must feed.

Shaky hands often miss with a pistol.