Communism means I don't have to work, right?

Communism means I don't have to work, right?

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Yes.

I'll nibble. No it means you work for penny's on the dollar but get free shitty shit. Free health care does not mean good health care.

It's a bourgeois capitalist money making scam.

No, it means you get to work, and not be paid. You get "free" shit while supplies last, and if you are willing to stand in line for hours in the hopes of getting your rations.

You pretend to work and they pretend to pay you.

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Well in the old Communist system you were forced to work, otherwise you would prob be sent to a gulag/killed.

No work = bullet to your head or salt mine

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If you are fortunate enough to belong to the Communist Party, yes.

Nice meme

I'm pretty sure in all Communist nations NEETs are forced to work.

>Capitalism: You work or you die, there's an elite ruling class

>Communism: You work or you die, there's an elite ruling class

This. It's still the law in countries like Belarus and North Korea. No welfare and no neets in actual commie countries.

DELETE THIS

In capitalism man exploits man.
In communism it's the other way around

In a communist society, if you don't work you don't deserve to use the communal goods.

Welfare is a capitalist invention.

venezuela is capitalist

Because it wasn't communism, you fucking retard. Learn your definitions

OMFG THIS FAGGOT AGAIN.

Actually it is the opposite, you HAVE TO work.
I'm not talking about the corruption-nepotism-favoritism but as things stands, everyone must work.

You can't live off inheritence, you can't sit on your ass and just mooch welfare, you can't become a NEET. They will force you to work, Neets are thrown into gulags.

Not saying commies don't have corruption nepotism. But it is Capitalism that enables and normalizes people who never work.
I thank tengri for it, I can just live off my rent bux like a neet, outsourcing the property management to some company.

Well, fuck communism then. Is there a system where I get everything for free and don't have to work?

Nah, you'll be forced to work some shitty job that the economy or society has absolutely no use for, your wage will be pathetically low but it doesn't really matter since you couldn't spend it on anything anyway.
The only use you get out of your workplace is that you steal stuff that you can hopefully barter for useful things like food, tools, working clothes or gasoline that other people stole from their workplaces.
Since you're a socially inept awkward fuck, the secret service will soon take notice of you and they'll recruit you with a combination of blackmail, intimidation and petty favors. Many people will suspect that you're ratting on them so you'll be even more isolated than you were before and the few people that can't help being around you will treat you like shit.

Capitalism. In a few years, maybe 2 decades, capitalism will force us to enact UBI. So wait until.

see my post above,
if you own capital in a capitalist society you can live with work. though shit if you are a wagecuck tho.

You don't HAVE to work today in most real first world countries, why do you work if you can live off NEETbuxs?

Work becomes a pleasure, if you're not mentally crippled, after all mundane tasks become automated

no, communism means there is ALWAYS work

source?

>source?
being part of soviet union for almost 50 years, there were no NEETs and everyone worked, stupid american kids dont know shit about communism

USSR wasn't communism. Communism by definition is a stateless, moneyless society. USSR was state capitalism, or state socialism.

And by my experience, people who actually lived under the USSR almost always miss the regime.

t. alberto commiebosa

>USSR wasn't communism. Communism by definition is a stateless, moneyless society. USSR was state capitalism, or state socialism.

Just fuck off already. I can't even tell if you're real or just a parody of every dumb hippie ever.

just get a job you enjoy, then working is fun.

by the time sunday rolls around I'm eager to get back to the office.

>pic related

>muh feels teel me what is communism and what isn't

Here you go jolly little friend

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Yep. It also means the nation will make stuff and give it to you for free!

>implying Communism has unemployed people when country provides jobs
Socialism would give you almost any job you applied for, while Communism would theoretically give you any job. In Capitalism of course rich people and bosses decide who they hire or place as next boss. Unemployment wasn't a problem during Socialism, you could even be part of Socialistic actions to clean up environment or help dig stuff. Everything you needed to learn you would be taught at workplace, there was no such thing as educational pre-requirements for job.

source?

No, that's socialism.

The source of my wisdom was my dubs, had you checked em you would have known.

it means you have to "do your part", in other words work hard for a low standard of life while those who played the inherently flawed system (the political and industrial elite) get to sit around and drink wine and eat fine cuisine, as always. the opportunities for social mobility are completely negligible, and in order for the system to work in any way punishments are severe for even the slightest transgressions. this is how every implementation of communism has worked so far, so it seems to be par for the course.

no, you could not be NEET as your family would be unable to support you and the state would not. you would starve to death.

This.

The only reasonable alternative is Social Democracy.

>asking for source on a joke
just what fucking subreddit are you from?

Well, at the moment a communist society isn't feasible.

Under socialism you would work, but the working week would be vastly reduced. I think 25 hours with full employment and automation could be accomplished tomorrow, but capitalism won't allow it.

Eventually, under communism, the goal is to work towards the abolition of work and labour, so you can develop yourself however you see fit.

>Be me
>Be wage slave
>Not even mad at NEETS
>They're making dank memes for me to laugh at when I get off work
It's a nice trade off really.

>USSR wasn't communism. Communism by definition is a stateless, moneyless society. USSR was state capitalism, or state socialism.
doesnt matter, its the closest we got to communism and going further isnt possible
>moneyless
>stateless
literally fairytales
>And by my experience, people who actually lived under the USSR almost always miss the regime.
they miss the glory not the regime, if u think u work now in the slave capitalistic system wait till communism will arrive, ull work 6 days a week

Nope, you'll have to work, it will be a law. If you don't work, you're either à membre of the party and you'll be fine, or you're not a member and you'll end up in a labour camp

So that means so long as Im in the know, I can be a card carrying party member and enjoy these benefits?
Welp, guys im a#hillshill now

explain.

>industrial elite
>socialism

There is no such thing in a socialist society.

Well, if we took out the right to vote from the long term unemployed, retired, then yes, i could back that out
I actually never been to reddit other then the links here and when i google something and reddit appears. I don't like the upvote system. And i never understood the clinical paranoia you guys have with Reddit. No, i'm not raiding your safe space ffs

>venezuela is capitalist

And the sky is beneath the earth's crust.

>job mobility is a good thing
Since when?

You are complicating shit, i'll explain to you like to a baby:
Capitalism: people with money decide who gets promotion and jobs.
Communism: everybody gets a job and promoted based on work he has actually done.

There is no bank secrecy in Socialism, so really you can't hide money or steal money without everybody knowing it.

>doesnt matter, its the closest we got to communism and going further isnt possible

The Paris Commune and Catalonia in the Spanish War were much closer.

You people forget that early attempts at capitalism in the 16th century failed miserably before feudalism collapsed under its own contradictions. Capitalism will go the same way. The endless crashes and stagnant economies are evidence enough.

Who here ready for democratic socialism?

>There is no such thing in a socialist society.

Here we go again. You don't get tired getting btfo do you?

yeah if u think its bad now with capitalism, wait till communism will arrive, it will be worse

Social democrat is a political opinion, not even a political party, not to mention a system called Socialism.

Only weak fucks support communism

>doesnt matter, its the closest we got to communism and going further isnt possible

Debatable. Israeli kibbutz is a much better example.

>literally fairytales

ok, i may aggree, but we can both aggre that USSR wasn't communist.

>they miss the glory not the regime,

Didn't the living standards drop after the break up? Don't some of the old republics only catching up now , 20 years later, with their pre break up economic numbers?

>if u think u work now in the slave capitalistic system wait till communism will arrive, ull work 6 days a week

Source?

>member of the party
>communist society

Communism is a stateless society

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

Name me one of this that Venezuela does not fullfill

What do the stronk fucks go for?

Then why do you suck king's cock and getting fucked by niggers and Muslims?

Laissez-faire of course you fuck face

Boy you two sure live in a funny world

In a socialist society workers own the means of production. It's not some obscure point Marx makes, it's the fucking central tenet in wich Marx describes it's ideal society

Because?

Not an argument

>weak people support changing the status quo

>memes

There's something inherently wrong with you as a human being if you don't want to work, I'm certainly glad you won't be propagating your retard genes.

No.
You'll be forced to walk by an authoritarian dictator so people can insist that the broken system of government works.

Millions of people will die to be made an example of and force you to work without literally whipping you.

On top of that anyone who doesn't meet the required standard level of output is put in a prison that would make you prefer death, yet if you do reach the almost impossible levels of output targeted by your government - your reward will be not being killed.

Enjoy.

>Didn't the living standards drop after the break up? Don't some of the old republics only catching up now , 20 years later, with their pre break up economic numbers?
>This will be the 7th time just myself has shown you this easily looked up information

>waa waa I'm a virgin living in mom's basement
>okay I'm a filthy commie now maybe something changes without me doing anything

Not an argument.

Oh boy, we sure live in this fine Americanized world where hamburger with cheapest and most shitty ingredients is the top brand of the world and beer where Irish pee into is considered golden standard and the best drink in the world, just to be topped by deep fried butter fish and chips. Wonderful is this degenerate music you produce, so much Christian spirit and gay in one combination. I could almost fuck your wife with elephant and horse, but i have to wait few more capitalistic years to be legal. Praise Jesus while priests molest kids and rape half of Vietnam and Africa to secure the race. Logic, nah, that's illogical in Christian capitalism, what matters is sucking those salty balls of bosses to gather enough money so you can buy a giant black dildo for your anus while Jamal from around the ghetto block isn't doing it. Ghettos? How did that happen? Because American cops are much better at doing a job than during Socialism when we had 0.3 crime rate. Capitalism high-end logic: Jesus is all we need, after all Jews need our money.

Romania/GDP per capita
9,499.21 USD (2013)

Hungary/GDP per capita
13,480.91 USD (2013)


Poland/GDP per capita
13,647.96 USD (2013)

Bulgaria/GDP per capita
7,498.83 USD (2013)

until someone decides they don't like you and exploits the system to discredit you (likely resulting in a severe punishment) for something you didn't do, but is believable. don't forget this can happen at any time and for no particularly good reason.

>There is no such thing in a socialist society.

haha holy fucking shit

you do realise factories can't be run by a cooperative of all the workers, right? even then there will be an elite among these workers, some will be delegated more important tasks than others, and some will be mentally or physically unable to do some tasks - and there you have it, there is a power structure present and it is no longer pure socialism, not everyone is equal. giving people roles that suits their abilities leads to an unequal society, as no matter what political system you choose you cannot change human nature with any amount of subversion.

see above, the method of giving people tasks based on their ability will always lead to inequality, then you end up with a class system, again.

>Didn't the living standards drop after the break up?
what standards? long lines for bread? empty stores? waiting years for an apartment or car? corruption not only in high but also local level, for instance to get a little bit extra food u needed to know a guy who knows a guy, in capitalistic country u need to know a guy who knows a guy for weed or some shit
>Source?
if u didnt know about the 6 day work/studying week u dont know shit about USSR/communism, at one point they even got rid or wanted to get rid of Sundays so they can work without free days

i like how its always the westerners that support communism, i hope u get it someday

>There's something inherently wrong with you as a human being if you don't want to work

You unironically enjoy working? Are you masoquist or you simply don't have anything else better to do with your life?
source for it. And i was talking about pre break up ('91) levels with today levels. Not pre revolution compared to the end of the eastern block

Why do americans need to make an ass for themselves?

Forgot
Czech Republic/GDP per capita
19,844.76 USD (2013)


Seriously you're a colossal monumental faggot for even thinking such an ignorant easily disproven idea.
Even after it being directly shown to you god knows how many times and everyone on here should filter you just on this one principle alone

Class system is when you allow salaries of some people to be much higher for same job, it's also called fraud, but that would hurt billionaire's feelings.

Not technically but you can pretend you work and government will pretend they're paying you.

It means that failure to work gets you sent to a forced labor camp. Enjoy.

until you kill off half the population because they didn't work hard enough. either that or you give up because no one wants to work again

It means you have a job but you don't have to be productive. And because of this it also means you will be poor because no one has incentive to produce and generate wealth.

>Source
>Literally Google gdp of x nation
You're a lazy lying nigger and we both know this

and that's why marx was a delusional fucking hack, he didn't even realise, or rather chose to ignore that the workers cannot effectively control the means of production as it is at best incredibly inefficient, and at worst won't work at all. not everybody deserves an equal say, and yet understanding and accepting this undermines the basic tenet of socialism and communism.

true socialism is a monumental step backwards whatever angle you look at it from. ironically, progressives are the ones who wish to return us all to the stone age, technological progress would cease in a socialist society as nothing would ever get done.

BUT THIS TIME, THIS TIME WE WILL MAKE IT WORK

"We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us"

>you do realise factories can't be run by a cooperative of all the workers, right?

That is up to you to think. I also don't really understand how it would work out, because i haven't read any socialist works.

> even then there will be an elite among these workers

Sure, and the workers would have to decide if those deserve a higher share, or if not. But it would be the workers to decide.

>and there you have it, there is a power structure present and it is no longer pure socialism
everyone is absolutely equal != socialism. You think Marx didn't think about that?

It means that you work until you die and it doesn't mean anything.

>government owns industry, government gives you a job
Somehow in little retard Christian head that means government doesn't knows what you doing, while billionaires that nobody monitors are all honest workers. Gotta love the amusing retardness of Christian retards.

BRING COMMUNISM BACK AGAIN

>true socialism is a monumental step backwards whatever angle you look at it from.
Not to mention literally impossible
>Socialist have been utterly impotent in answering this problem since the early 1920s and the arguments made have been vindicated with every real world example of socialism being implemented
mises.org/library/end-socialism-and-calculation-debate-revisited

Communism can't work but authoritharian socialism works. At least for some time.

You are latvian, so your opinion on USSR will be bad purely by nationalistic reasons, and i can absolutely understand that.

>USSR/communism

The again i have to remind you that USSR wan't socialism/communism.

>i like how its always the westerners that support communism
I don't. And don't patronize me. You most likely didn't lived in USSR, since you are underage most likely.

I like to put effort towards goals and shape reality through my efforts and feel like I have a purpose, yes. Let's not pretend that NEETs are fucking enlightened and that everyone who works makes french fries, come on m8. The feeling of accomplishment at a job well done is better than a life of passively consuming media and shitting out irrelevant posts on a Vietnamese cutlery forum.

How is paying someone more than someone else for the same job fraud? it's your choice what to do with your money

oh no, you silly. It means you HAVE to work.

Not being productive makes you a parasite and therefore criminal scum

>have democracy and free market
>be prosperous
>have enough of everything
>TIME FOR SOCIALISM
>it goes great for some time because you have all that money and shit from times you were not commie
>suddently no more shits left
literally everytime

based ww2 bro?

>or rather chose to ignore that the workers cannot effectively control the means of production

they already do, you fucking retard. management are workers too.

Not this time. Since it only happened a handfull of times.

Paying somebody more or charging somebody more for same thing is the definition of fraud, you are just too deep into propaganda that they convinced you otherwise.

>shilling this hard
>that means government doesn't knows what you doing
>implying that they have cameras installed at every possible shop so that no one can pretend to work
are you retarded?
>while bilionaire yada yada
He never implied or even talked about it faggot

Yea, but everyone will be poor, including you.