Is there any truth behind this, pol? I always see this argument that Asians invented more than any other race...

Is there any truth behind this, pol? I always see this argument that Asians invented more than any other race, but is it true or just their version of KANGS

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East asia invented more, that's factually correct.

But they didn't take over the world like Europe did.

Checkmate chinafags

Their version of kangz. While Asians are incredibly intelligent and have higher IQ than europeans, they've just historically not made even close to the contributions to science, art, or philosophy as europeans.

sandniggers did more desu.

Traditional Asian culture and their scientific advancements in the current era are something to be marveled and appreciated.

But have they done more than white people?

>The sandnigger astronomer meme.

you can tell that chart is bullshit just by looking at the x axis of their chart

Fuck your question, where can I learn to make adorable pastries like that?

Wrong, this is a European Easter bread and I'm sure they have been baking them as rabbits for a long time.

East Asia would have invented a lot more than Europe if they didn't keep getting raped by Huns and Mongols.

islamic golden age meme

explain

When you count in India as asian, which it is, it is correct. Also many of the same things were invented all over without people actually communicating with each other.

Khan did the most to unify everyone in actuality, even though he destroyed more humans per capita than anyone ever.

She's claiming they, as a race, have had more inventions than any other, aside from the whites.
That's true.

Europeans and Asians had advanced far beyond any other race or tribe.

>East Asia would have invented a lot more than Europe if they didn't keep getting raped by Huns and Mongols.
that's some nigger tier excuse

We also invented a lot of things but you should disregard anyone who talks about the Song Dynasty like it was yesterday

he's shitposting

asians can't complete with white europeans, for whatever reasons asians lack creativity and ingenuity, that's why they copy everything.

I've watched a lot of Chinese action movies. Whether it's set in 200 BC or 1600 AD, China looks exactly the same.
So much for all the talk about China and invention.

Historically no, but your reply was to someone who was talking about the current era. And it's true that they've progressed insanely fast (mostly due to peace allowing them to focus on education and self-improvement, as well as access to American universities where their young adults learn Western values)

>percentage of all persons mentioned
>units on x axis exceed 100 units

for example, according to this chart, UK has over 500% of all persons mentioned.

European inventions changed society because of the European failure to set up a centralized government and the European embrace of positive chaos. China in its entirety is the rejection of change, creativity and invention. Chinese "inventions" often turn out to be one-offs that were voluntarily self-censored to protect the status quo. Henry Ford has probably been born a million times over in China -- and stopped from rocking any boat every single time.

It's a real thing though.

Africans stayed stagnant for centuries, Asians didn't. They were constantly advancing their civilization and the big disruptions to that came from the fact that two of the most bloodthirsty warmongers in human history ran through them.

Shit, the Romans shat themselves when Attila came knocking on their door, they called him the Scourge of God. And he was just a tourist in Europe. Asia was his stomping ground.

>>percentage
yeah, you're an idiot

Nice education you have there f.a.m.

>Bosnian education

>excusing asian stagnation using a few percent of their multi thousand year old history

All these dumb niggers replying...

She fucking said besides white people...

>no counter-argument given
this chart was a product of some bored Sup Forumstard who done goofed up by mixing percentages and number of significant people

bullsht, the russians were raped even harder by mongols, still way ahead in terms of contributions than all gooks combined.

I really want to WHITE her fuck

im going to go rub this out

not according to kek there isn't

>Russians
>The period of Mongol rule over Russia included significant cultural and interpersonal contacts between the Russian and Mongolian ruling classes. By 1450, the Tatar language had become fashionable in the court of the Grand Prince of Moscow, Vasily II, who was accused of excessive love of the Tatars and their speech, and many Russian noblemen adopted Tatar surnames (for example, a member of the Veliamanov family adopted the Turkic name "Aksak" and his descendents were the Aksakovs)[10] Many Russian boyar (noble) families traced their descent from the Mongols or Tatars, including Veliaminov-Zernov, Godunov, Arseniev, Bakhmetev, Bulgakov (descendents of Bulgak), and Chaadaev (descendents of Genghis Khan's son Chagatai Khan). In a survey of Russian noble families of the 17th century, over 15% of the Russian noble families had Tatar or Oriental origins.


You mean Mongol rape-babies

She didn't say that they invented more you fucking mongol

Oxygen does slowly kill you, yeah know.

Why do you think "anti-oxidants" are good for you?
I dont understand why everyone posts this picture.

The only 2 relevant Races on Planet Earth are Caucasians and Asians. The rest are parasites and of no value. Exterminate all others.

how is it relevant?

You mean Mongoloids?

Because Arabs are Asians too.

It's not debatable that chinese and asians in general invented a shitload of stuff.

Sure they invented a lot
But they didn't know what the fuck they had.

>China invents gunpowder
>Tries to eat it to gain immortality
>Doesn't Work
>Tries to use it to propel a man on a chair into heaven
>Man blows up
>Gave up on practical applications for explosive powder and relegated it to just fireworks from then on.

"Superior" East Asians.

well she did say besides white people, but yeah east asia has a very long history and plenty of stuff was invented there independantly of europe sometimes beating europe to the punch by a significant margin. a few examples would be the compass, steel and gunpowder. which personally is just another reason why Guns, Germs and Steel falls apart

>they weren't looking to weaponize their invention
>this is bad
Come on.

>Invent an explosive
>Fail to use it as either a tool or weapon

Yes. That is absolutely bad.

>invented the most things besides white people
OP is a faggot who can't read or at least can't post pictures supporting his own statements.

europe had its share of disruptions aswell, if anything the hyper conservative intellectual culture of the far east was more of a contributing factor aswell as the existence of a more rigid caste system and a low social emphasis on merchants and commerce

Yeah, she's not saying anything outrageous. Outside of whites, the asians are easily second place in terms of technological advancement for mankind.

>implying it would have been bad for them to live peacefully with their fireworks
It's not like they had any niggers to invent guns to shoot back then.

Every race on Earth has had a sizeable contribution to discovery and science.

Except Africans.

Because Asian bakery is the best in the world.

Interesting how on that chart, the Arab world's contribution exceeds South and East Asia's, but in the present day, India, China, and Japan are putting spacecraft in Mars orbit, building fighter jets, and producing renowned scientists, while the Arabs haven't progressed past the middle ages and are currently clawing each other's eyes out over who worships Mohammed slightly differently

You missed
>as a tool

They didn't use an explosive for farming, or mining, or any practical use whatsoever.

And that, you Aussie Shitposter, shows their incompetence.

You just go back to obsessing over the practical uses of weaponry during an era of constant warfare as bad.

Looking at this graph she is right, East Asians are in 2nd place to white people.

Because it's not really the Arabs, it was the Persians and Turks.

Islam restricts science so after the introduction of islam the Arab world went entirely to shit.

It's a problem with history

there was probably way more and way earlier human contact between asians and whites than we know about

You know that Ancient Egypt was physically located in Africa right?

I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt and humoring your headcanon up to this point but the chinese absolutely did use gunpowder to create explosives and weapons. I'm not sure where you got the idea that they didn't from.

All technology before the Renaissance was basically trivial compared to what we have now. Europe, the Middle East, India and China all had similar levels of technology.

If our current level of technology is 100%, then pre-Renaissance civilisations were sitting around 1%. This debate is basically saying, oh pre-Modern China had 1.3% while the Arabs were only 1.1% and medieval Europe was 1.2%. Who gives a shit?

But East Asians will dominate the future, I believe. High IQ, stable governance, capitalism. All the ingredients are there. Japan and South Korea have already become powerhouses (for their size), and China will follow with its huge population.

It was probably invented simultaneously in all cultures with bread.

But Asians do seem to have knack for visual whimsy, so I get what she's saying. Calm down everyone.

>le chinese didn't militarize gunpowder meme
Chinks used gunpowder to propel arrows from tubes as early as the 10th century and later moved on to more sophisticated firearms alongside Europe.

Arabs used to be smart, but over 1000 years of marrying their first cousin made them the inbred retards you see today.

During certain eras it was pretty close.

>stable governance
>capitalism
>china
>CHINA
>CHYYYYNAHHH

too much conformity and collectivism. you need people who dont give a fuck about anything to push the boundaries.

>The arabs stole everything from the white Persians

Fuck off with this we wuz-tier shit. Is it that hard for you to fucking give credit where it is due?

Regardless, I don't see either the Persians or Turks contributing anything today, so it isn't germane.


Learn2history, their achievements were after they were Islamized. They were ahead of everywhere else in the world in some fields. And point out to me any kind of doctrine in Islam that "restricts science".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age


Pakistanis, though Islamic, are not Arab, and they have produced some fine modern scientists. Arabs haven't done anything relevant in science or tech for centuries.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdus_Salam (nobel prizewinner)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Raziuddin_Siddiqui
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishfaq_Ahmad

They also are the only Islamic country able to produce nuclear weapons and supercomputers, etc.

It's almost as if people use science and tech in response to needs and changing conditions, and not "we iz genetically the most inventive race n shiet".

Inbreeding does not necessarily lower IQ. Ashkenazi are inbred as fuck and are more intelligent than everyone.

Chinese here.
The end of the dynasties killed Chinese culture.
Now mainland is trying to be as Russia as it can get.
Chinatown in California is more Chinese than China.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder_crash_bomb

Can you read?

>After all, it only makes sense as we invented the most things besides white people

>besides white people

as in second place.

They were less TURANED than every single other civilization near the steppe.

Quantifiable fact. There was never a Turkic Czar, but India, Persia, Egypt, Anatolia and China all had centuries enduring Turco-Mongol dynasties.

Why would you try to emulate Russia? Russia fucking sucks

once humans start selectively breeding themselves for intelligence, we will all be geniuses and we can stop bragging about which race (races that developed randomly in nature) is the smartest.

Compare China to France right now. Of course there is the 'China will explode any day now' meme, but I don't see it. China is highly homogenised now and the demographics are getting too top-heavy for revolution.

Liberal capitalism is not the only kind of capitalism.

That's horse pucky. Russia was only ever a tributary state. The Chinks were literally absorbed into the Khangnate.

>we invented

No you didn't stupid bitch. I hate this meme "we".
No, maybe your ancestor, but not you.

Mainland only sees order in old Soviet structure. The fall of dynasties and the empire lead to social chaos.
The people adopted communism out of fear of western imperialism.
They've been fed the same stale propaganda for years.

Keep talking shit and we'll arm Japan with nukes, Chinese pig dogs

the arab conquests changed the ethnic makeup culture and religion of the middleast, this is indisputable fact

Why is the islamic golden age a meme? Serious question.

Funny you should mention that because while China pursues eugenics and human genetic modification as a state policy, progressives in the West will refuse to even consider the possibility of genetic determinism and will actively shut down any scientific research and attempt to criminalise such practices. So that's just another area where we will get dominated due to our own decadent culture.

> not having a connection to your ancestors and working together across generations for the betterment of the nation

What is France doing right now that's so great? Becoming a colony of Africa/part of the new Caliphate?

I do agree though, with China's huge population and reportedly high IQ, you'd think it would be the center of technological and scientific innovation, but it's barely Japan in the 1980-1990s productive tier.
My bet is on India becoming big and Russia/Eastern Europe making a comeback at this point.


Not even their ancestors. I hate the meme of "my ancestors", referring to everybody who ever was in your race. Your ancestors are your direct ancestors, and 99% of people's direct ancestors were peasants who never amounted to shit and didn't matter in the course of humanity one iota, not Isaac Newton, Henry Ford, Neil Armstrong, or Thomas Edison.


Explain further?

At this point does really fucking matter, jesus christ. It just looks like shit heads taking credit for things other people did.
I like you.

lets put it this way
>start civ 5
>view tech tree
>what modern tech wasnt pioneered in america
>fuck off

>invented the most things besides white people

Reading comprehension m88s, she's saying whites #1, azns #2, which is accurate

They certainly invented more than blacks, jihadis, pooinloos or beaners

the Chinese take pride in teaching their children about their 4 great inventions: an early printing press, gunpowder, the compass, and paper making.
gunpowder and the compass, to my knowledge, were exclusively invented in china, however paper making was also invented by the Egyptians.
honestly it is true that they invented more than niggers or sandniggers, but they emphasize their accomplishments as much as WE WUZ.
also, their little pastries taste like shit imo

>What is France doing right now that's so great? Becoming a colony of Africa/part of the new Caliphate?

My point was that authoritarian, anti-democratic "will explode any day now" China is much more politically stable than liberal democratic France where degenerate leftist rioting has shut down the country.

>I do agree though, with China's huge population and reportedly high IQ, you'd think it would be the center of technological and scientific innovation, but it's barely Japan in the 1980-1990s productive tier.

Yes, China is where Japan is a few decades ago. That's not a bad thing. If China achieves Japanese productivity per capita then they will dominate the world. The reason they are a few decades behind is basically an accident of history, but they're on the right trajectory now. Japan was ahead of Korea too, but Korea has almost caught up. There's no reason China won't do the same.

>My bet is on India becoming big and Russia/Eastern Europe making a comeback at this point.

I doubt it. Indian average IQ is too low. There are high IQ productive castes but they are few in numbers compared to the low-IQ masses and won't be able to carry the country on their backs. China on the other hand has a homogeneous high-IQ population.

This individualist logic is a sure sign of a mediocre intellect.

The question: why should people take pride in the achievements of someone else from their tribe?

The answer is because achievements are heavily dependent on luck. 1000 scientists will each research different things, and none of them have any hope of knowing which topic will prove fruitful (check your hindsight bias before you wreck yourself). Yet only a couple of the topics will prove fruitful, so most scientists will achieve nothing much in their careers due mostly to having unluckily picked the wrong topic. If those scientists could not take pride in the achievements of science in general, then few would go into science as the probability of success is too low, which would hinder science.

The same applies to civilisations in general. It's very much a 'throw lots of people at the wall and see who sticks' kind of thing. If the 99% of people who don't stick can't take pride in the 1% of people who do stick, people won't consent to being thrown in the first place. Tribal pride is beneficial.

This is why cultures where failure is not shameful, and risk-taking and entrepreneurship are encouraged succeed.

they have a list of a few hundred things that they invented before the west that the west kinda pretends the west version is the first instance while admitting the chinese did it first

how so? the iron age. is the best example. the period of time that every book you will find in the west is hundreds of years after china did it

the west has a larger volume of inventions but you talking about many countries . america has contributed a lot to the modern era and so have others but china is one of the few who isnt white that have contributed

WE

>besides white people
learn to read

WI

>Yes, China is where Japan is a few decades ago. That's not a bad thing.

When you have literally 10 times the population and land area of Japan and live in an age where there are a million instantaneous ways to get information between everybody, yes, it's a bad thing. It suggests something is seriously wrong.


>I doubt it. Indian average IQ is too low. There are high IQ productive castes but they are few in numbers compared to the low-IQ masses and won't be able to carry the country on their backs. China on the other hand has a homogeneous high-IQ population.

The IQ figures quoted for Indian average I believe to be suspect, as the scientists were known for fudging/approximating the data in a lot of areas in many countries, and there are other factors like disease, malnutrition, etc which they are currently trying to eradicate. I saw an study of Indian immigrants to the UK(where there is far more and less selective immigration than to the US) which placed them in the low to mid 90s average IQ wise. For comparison, Serbia's average IQ is 89, Russia's is 97, and the Soviet Union was quite productive. Most slavs are pretty dumb but some of them(enough to get shit done) are very smart, seems to be the same case with Indians. And what is a society if not vastly reflective of the ability of its elite? If you took 100 average IQ white Americans and dropped them on a deserted island, they wouldn't build jet planes and wireless communications systems and escape the island.

And BTW, China is not homogeneous. Maybe moreso than India, but definitely not like Japan, Korea, or Great Britain. There are many different dialects, cultures, and peoples there.

>When you have literally 10 times the population and land area of Japan

I meant on a per-capita basis. China has already surpassed Japan on an absolute basis.

I can't say much about the validity of the studies. The estimate of Indian IQ I read was mid-80s, possibly rising to low-90s with better nutrition and so on, which is significantly lower than China's 105 or so.

And when I said homogeneous I meant genetically. In India there is a lot more genetic diversity than in China, and there is a drastic IQ difference between castes. In any case, China is much more homogeneous than India in other regards too. While there are different dialects, they're closely related linguistically, and share a writing system. Also, Mandarin is the only language taught in schools or used in the media AFAIK, and the younger generation is basically all Mandarin, so the government's policies have been successful in that regard. There are actual linguistic and genetic minorities but they are irrelevant and marginalised compared to the enormous Han majority.

And yes a country is its elite, but if you define a country's elite as the percentage of people above a certain IQ level, then the size of that elite is going to be determined by the size of the population and the average IQ. So China has a double advantage in having the largest population as well as one of the highest IQs.

The Chinese are rice niggers. Historically useless peasants.

>I meant on a per-capita basis. China has already surpassed Japan on an absolute basis.

Regardless of their raw production power/income per capita, their shitty culture I think is what prevents them from becoming a 10x version of what Japan was. They have the hivemind/insect like mentality of the Japanese, yet with none of the real collectivism that the Japanese have - they have no concern for human life or well being of their own people. Also, 0 culture of quality or innovation. They don't lead the market in any industry, really, besides manufacturing shit for other countries.

>I can't say much about the validity of the studies. The estimate of Indian IQ I read was mid-80s, possibly rising to low-90s with better nutrition and so on, which is significantly lower than China's 105 or so.

Except IQ doesn't really matter that much in the big scheme of things when you're not nigger-tier. As everyone has been talking about in this thread, the west's productivity far exceeded East Asia's until recently despite their higher IQ, as did the scientific output of Arabs for a time. Russia, not even one of the highest IQ countries in Europe, lead the space race in the latter half of the 20th century(so much for "slavs aren't white").

>Except IQ doesn't really matter that much in the big scheme of things when you're not nigger-tier.

Not really true. See pic related. IQ is more or less linearly correlated with outcomes.There is no point where IQ becomes 'good enough'. Each extra point of IQ helps.

>They have the hivemind/insect like mentality of the Japanese, yet with none of the real collectivism that the Japanese have

I'm sceptical of any such narratives. China has historically dominated Japan. That in the 19th century conditions lead to Japan Westernising before China should probably be seen as an isolated event.

>As everyone has been talking about in this thread, the west's productivity far exceeded East Asia's until recently despite their higher IQ

White IQ is only a few points behind East Asian IQ and IQ is not the only factor that matters. The scientific and industrial revolutions happened in the West, which in the non-globalised world of the 18th century set the West far ahead. Nowadays all the benefits of science and industry have spread to the East so there is no advantage left. And if a similar intellectual revolution happened tomorrow, it would spread to the East in an instant, so no serious advantage would be accumulated.

>besides Whites
>BESIDES
What is the fucking point of this thread? I've never heard an Asian claim this. They all seem to admit the massive contribution of Whites to the modern world, they emulate us, after all.

>>China invents gunpowder
Actually that's KANGZ too, no real evidence for this.

Roger Bacon, an Englishman, is the first guy who wrote down a recipe for gunpowder, at least that we can prove. If the Chinese had gun powder, one would think it would be mentioned ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

musketeer.ch/blackpowder/history.html

Ctrl + F "Chinese"

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