What is Sup Forums's response to Socialism?

What is Sup Forums's response to Socialism?

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Dumb as fuck

socialism rocks!

Do you even know what Socialism is?

National Socialism is the solution, the final solution.

*dabs*

it works

No, it's not.

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Only when there is good leaders.

Social Security, Medicare, Affordable Care Act.. all are socialist policies. Actually the majority of things we pay for in this country can be constituted as socialism. However America's political juggernaught is of course Captialism which is now in a post Capitalistic spiral where Marxism/ Socialism/ Communism would be the only next step based on my above average knowledge of political philosophies of the world.

Embrace it

socialism is where stalan killed all of his people using no food tactics and then everyone hated him

socialisnm doesnt work you fucking retard lol

Seems plausible.

good in moderation but no one likes a wellfare state except those who control it

it doesn't work do to self interest

No, you're retarted. You cant spell for shit. and Stalin was a lunatic.

>political philosophy that has resulted in the death of up to 100 million people
>muh superior knowledge
At least fascists never say "that wasn't real fascism".

There have been tons of bad leaders in history.

Er, it is.

your so dumb

if it worked we wouold be using it right now stupid

but we arent huh

Can you even read English?
And Socialism has a bad reputation because of greedy people.

Based on the struggles of the working class and their disconnection from their work and ultimate worth in life.. eventually a revolution/revolt will occur which will morph into a form of socialism where the working class takes back their land and production for the people. However as mentioned this has never worked out the best in practice, the concept is pretty sound and its inevitability. Capitalism is not sustainable sorry /b

>Social Security, Medicare, Affordable Care Act.. all are socialist policies
they would have been socialist policies in 1800s but now they are just common sense

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Socialism is a failed system it will not ever work nor will it ever be implemented into the United States.

Because Socialism is good if it's done right. i.e. not Russia, Not Germany

I'm sceptical if 90% of Sup Forums's US posters even know what socialism is.

while using a telephone fiber network built by the government, taking a shit into the government-constructed sewer system, and having been (supposedly) educated in a state-funded school...

They're "common sense" because you don't have any idea what personal responsibility is.

Capitalism has killed way more people and you fucking know it.
All the wars and Colonial endeavors for monetary gain have cause untold death and suffering.

Do you even know what Socialism is?

>Capitalism is not sustainable
not if you dont factor in the state as an expression of class society. preserving capitalism and private property is its main duty and it regulates capitalism from destroying itself

Yes it is conservikike

Socialism is where workers own the means of production.

Communism:
Economic and social system in which all (or nearly all) property and resources are collectively owned by a classless society.

Social Democracy: economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, as well as a policy regime involving a commitment to representative democracy, measures for income redistribution and regulation of the economy in the general interest and welfare state provisions. Bernie sanders falls under this.

Corporatism is not sustainable. A true free market can facilitate the freedom to the worker you wish for without the inherent slavery and theft that socialism brings. Das Capital is a dreadful study on economics like ignoring the place of demand in 'supply & demand'.

What the hell does conservikike mean?

socialism isnt public infrastructure, its an economy and society entirely ruled by the working class.

Fuck off you scumfuck progressive fuckwit. Probably a fucking nigger or a kike.

>personal responsibility
explain it to me then but only if you are willing to listen to me explain social responsibility

Shut up you nonentity. You're going around and spewing memes as if they are factual, get out of here. Absolute cretin.

I fall under Social Democracy too, but I didn't want to say because people get more pissed off when they hear the word Socialism by itself.

It's by far the most evil and easily corruptible system of government ever devised, and it has killed hundreds of millions of people in the last century. It'll totally work this next time guise, I promise.

Socialism works great, until you run out of other people's money.

Do you even know what Socialism is?

Socialism
Works until you run out of other people’s money to spend.
Seems millennials and cunts think they’re woke if they discuss it

And capitalism has killed more....
What is this meme?

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And you're fighting wars you can't win.

Says the pea-brained faggot. Suck more nigger cock so you're more full of shit. You sub-human cunt.

o'brien fell hard after DS9 ended.

>place of demand in 'supply & demand'.
actually deals with supply and demand but i guess you havent read it

Over a much longer time frame in a lot more of the world than socialism has managed, if socialism was global for a longer period of time then the death toll would be greater. Furthermore colonialism is not capitalism it's still state control of the lands and means of production with a little of it going to private elites, not a free market.

Nice to see some heavy thinkers on here. Great points however the sustainability I am alluding to is the great fundamental differences of Democracy and Capitalism when interwoven as one, it will unravel as one. (Will they say the great user minds on B envisioned the next great society?) ehh anyways... The populace believes we are in control through the votes we place every year, two or four... however Capitalism is driven by corporations which are driven by profit, at any cost even destruction of our nation, profit reigns above Jesus himself. The Board of Directors control the corporations and the shareholders of those corporations control the votes the Boards make. If essentially business is the only driving factor of commerce, and the richer you are the more shares/votes you possess that is going to crash into the weak minded Joe who believes the guy hes voting for is actually going to help him.

How do we know you're not a nigger or kike?

Capitalism

im more of a heavy drinker but i was involved in some serious marxism-leninism when i was a teen

You are devoid of all rationality. Not a modicum of civility or shrewdness resides within the dead mass inhabiting your head. Stop speaking and stop writing; you are an insult in human form.

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I have, it's a great counter point to Keynesian economics. Which is why it fails because Keynesian economics is complete bullshit. I don't think it acknowledged the place that demand has in a free market adequately and assumes supply can be maintained to outpace demand which it can't for all supplies. It also tramples on any concept of individual rights for the good of society whilst forgetting that a society is a group of individuals, that dichotomy is one of the many reasons it isn't a maintainable system prone to abuse.

Fuck poor people

You sound like Trump.

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You still haven't answered my question.

Sorry, socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

tl;dr socialism is a giant piece of shit

Am I meant to be beholding to Lenin's worldview?
Because I'm not.

And what's wrong with that?

>regulated by the community as a whole.
>community
Gee, I wonder where the word "communism" comes from?

>And what's wrong with that?
see

If you wonder where it comes from, you must be retarded because you cant put 2 and 2 together.

>Keynesian economics is complete bullshit
except it was somewhat successfully applied
to stabilize capitalism after the great depression. the demand in a free capitalist market is as marx points out proportional to the wages of the workers. supply and demand just one way of measuring values in an economy, they are not as some people think "rules of how the economy works". as for society vs individuals, marxism is very collectivistic but marx himself wasnt

Bring it! The rich have socialism already in massive tax rebates for corporations. Then they tell us its a bad thing because it will lead to, gasp, tyranny and inequality. But more likely it would mean a more equal distribution of the wealth. More resources for working people. Any ideology that the corporate media spend so much time attacking has got to be worth thinking about.

Confused retardation

Things like shareholders and boards are a result of government trying to regulate free markets. Whilst shareholders may have a place in a free market they belong more in an area of providing a loan in return for a share of the profits, not as some sort of God that the board bow to. I agree about the heavy thinkers, it's a relief to see some socialists around these days thinking of more than 'hur-dur muh free stuff', unfortunately that's how a lot of people will approach socialism. From my perspective a more libertarian society can afford the space for people to choose to either live communally or break out in their own, whilst not allowing for a corrupt governing body to just ruin shit for everyone.
Yep, that's how I got here too

Venezuela

it's shit.

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I'm pretty sure it speaks for itself: you cannot sustain a country that will be as advanced as others when you have a failing reward system.
People need to be motivated by something, anything, in order to work more than just to survive.
Whatever you may think, pure capitalism pushes people to find more ingenious ways to make money, and that often means innovation. Of could, pure capitalism is stupid as shit and has problem of its own, hence why you can't have a sustained system.

Oh really because it seems like Canada, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, New Zealand, Ireland, and the Netherlands are doing fine.

66% of Venezuela's economy is private.

only stupid people still argue about it like it's not already happening

Who the fuck wants to be any of those shitholes?

hard lines for small minds

What about if you have good leaders?

Shitholes?

>What is Sup Forums's response to Socialism?
We fap to it.

In my country there are 26 million people. The labour force is 12 million. The people who can vote outnumber the people who have to work and pay tax. The people who don't pay tax want more benefits so they tax the people who work more.

Tell me how this is moral? Tell me how you justify the slavery of the working class to keep your socialist policies running

exactly, maybe one day you'll be smart enough to understand basic economics

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>Social Security, Medicare, Affordable Care Act

Yeah those programs are going broke so thanks for proving the point that socialism doesn't work

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Controlled economies don't count. Socialism kills by direct policy of death and class starvation, imprisonment and purges. Capitalism kills through the individual being too pathetic to compete in the market. Individuals who can't compete can get better - usually before death. We built a safety net for those people long ago.

I'd disagree there, short term Keynes ideas work out but more bailouts and state investment end up being required until it turns in to behemoth that leads to further recessions/depressions. On Marx/Marxism and individuality I suspect this would be due to a view from Marx that he's an individual amongst sheep, which is just my guess and not something I can solidly back up, I think that lead to his approach of treating a group of individuals as a singular social unit. It's when you inevitably get bad leaders that's the problem

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Every type of government sucks ass.

Anarchism is probably the best in theory, you could just localize different governments in the same country. At least that way you have a choice what kind of rule you want. If you want to live in a monarchy or a theocracy, in an anarchist state you can.

However, the issue I can't see the solution to is, how the hell do you solve civil disputes? Say you go to the hospital in an anarchist state. Perhaps you have insurance, doesn't really matter. The hospital takes one of your kidneys without consent. How do you sue the hospital unless you both acknowledge a higher authority?

I think the best type of government theoretically might be a dictatorship. You simply need the correct dictator. Someone that values freedom and low taxes. It's the most efficient, there's no bureaucracy.

But.. power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So back we are to democracy and once you concede democracy, you need social programs.

So.. Socialism, in spite of how incredibly inefficient it is, it might just be a necessary evil for civilization to work.

and this proves my point
how's America looking now

selling shares is a simply a way of raising funds in exchange for a share rather than interest, its not invented by governments. boards are appointed by shareholders, not governments. mu approach to socialism is that of studying economics and class warfare but the goal is still 'hur-dur muh free stuff'

wew, thank god I'm going to be alive when my body want's to die. sounds like fun

Your body doesn't want to die of malnutrition and disease you stupid fuckstain

>+/-10 years at the very end of your life.
topkek have fun with that