Who is responsible for the Trump presidency: American voters, or Russia?

Who is responsible for the Trump presidency: American voters, or Russia?

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The same people that always decide these things.
No coincidence the presidential elections have gone republican/democrat/republican/democrat for a while now.
If one side goes "unrepresented" for too long, makes it harder as a whole to keep the public anger in check.

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Russia and American retards.

It's looking like you Boris

American stupidity.

The majority of the country voted for her.

A mix of stupid people, foreign interference, propaganda and apathy.

You might want to check the population density.

this is the most retarded thing i've ever read. the reason presidential elections go "rep/dem/rep/dem" is because its a 2 party system, there is no alternative you moron, and by the way, 8 years of Obama disproves your rep/dem/rep/dem theory

god its american stupidity of this level that created trump, and im glad, you retards deserve him, after ww2 your leaders realised you were violent retards and used psychoanalysis to make you buy shit instead of shooting each other and fucking your cousins

still crying

Stupid assholes, whoever they are....

If everyone who said "third parties can't win" voted third party, we'd have a third party president right now

The media parrots the "third parties can't win" line because they have vested interests in maintaining the two party establishment

Well, I voted for him in a state he did not (and was never going to) win, on purely moral grounds.

So I guess I'm a Russian or something.

If you want to go the while route of russia won the election for trump then...
Both.
Sure russia may have ran massive smear campaigns about hillary. And done all they could in their power to help trump.
But hillary lost because not enough pwoplw voted where it mattered. People that usually voted left didn't because hillary was basically republican. Ontop of that her whole campaign was a cringe fest.
Dongo "big bongos" Trump. Won because he was a good talker. Because he knew what he was doing when it came to running a campaign. Something hillary didn't know.

Or the fact that the Gary Johnson couldn't even name a single current foreign leader during the 2016 campaign.

Trump called for the waterboarding of innocent civilians, yet tens of millions voted for him anyway

>B-but Gary forgets shit sometimes and Jill Stein is a treehugger!

The white trash of America. Russia just utilized their raging stupidity and ignorance to egg them on. They were going to vote for trump with or without the russians. The loser white trash in America decided they'd fuck everyone else up since everyone with success made them jealous and angry.

i'm not american so i couldn't vote, but even your third parties are shit. your system sucks, the sooner people realise that the better. you vote for a president, essentially voting for a personality, for a certain look, a certain tie colour. your country's election is like reality tv, even before Trump, its just so unbelievably fake, where are the policies? where is the serious scrutinisation? people keep arguing dem v rep but you both need to band together and overhaul your system

You need to relax and put your helmet back on. I never defended Trump, I was just saying that 3rd party is in most cases as stupid if not more stupid than a Dem/Rep vote.

this guy

I didn't imply that you were defending Trump. I'm saying that if Trump can get elected after saying such ridiculous shit, it really shouldn't be a problem that Gary Johnson occasionally forgets the names of foreign leaders. I guarantee our current president couldn't name them, either

Trump was the 3rd party candidate you mongrel.

is republican the 3rd party? after democrats and who?

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>thinking voting third party is wasting your vote but voting for the two party establishment elite isn't

are there truly people this retarded?

Obama and teh insane Left.

>Trump can get elected after saying such ridiculous shit
Like what?
>Gary Johnson occasionally forgets the names of foreign leaders.
Forgets? lol

The electoral college

>Like what?

Got me there user! Trump has never said anything stupid

I was all in for Gary Johnson until he stepped on his own dick and proved autist.

The Republican establishment didn't pick Donald Trump you idiot. The people loved him and the establishment fought tooth and nail, they wanted Rubio or Jeb.

>implying I said it was a waste of a vote
The only waste of a vote is not voting

You said it, the least you could do is back up your statement.

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I'm not saying that third party candidates are perfect, or even close to it. At the very least, they're slightly preferable to the mainstream party candidates, if not purely because they break the Dem/GOP cycle of corporate warmongers

The reason trump won is because for some reason in 2015 the far left began to cannibalize the rest of the left.
The far left became a cesspool of trannies, gays, and blacks. Who all hated white people.
The far left started to attack all who didnt agree with their shit and agreed with more traditional democratic views.
The far left was completely different from the alt right. Which was the far right. But it worked well with its party. It didnt try to fuck it over.

I completely concur, and my bad, I get kinda triggered when it seems like people think I'm siding with that piece of shit. And my main point is, there was a more qualified candidate, it wasn't like it was Trump v Johnson where both of them knew jack shit about politics and foreign affairs, there was a former sec. of state who could have been president. So in my eyes it makes no sense to then side with Johnson to combat Trump.

U r dum

hahaha you dumb fuck

Do you mean the "far-left" social regressives? I consider myself to be farther left than the Democratic party, but on policy. I support single payer, universal college tuition, raising the min. wage and chaining it to inflation. Most of the Dems in congress are not on board with those things.

The Russians are just this year's 'hanging chads'.

The left simply can't admit that America would choose anyone but their candidate.

It's for this reason that I thank God for Putin anytime I'm around one of those idiots.

very simple, its the poor treatment of the general population, Trump seemed like a huge change from the status quo, get all the jobs back, fuck China, fuck Mexicans, fuck Muslims, NAFTA and TPP are dog shit, the wars are dog shit, etc, and he that resonated with a lot of people, etc, thats why he won

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Both. Russians influenced stupid and easily manipulated American voters.

The thing that really turned me off is whenever he got caught forgetting or not knowing, he turned fucking delta and starting lying. He should've just said "Fuck you, I will have advisers for your pleb shit."
Also, I had a real beef with his "borders" ideas.

Explain

Great rebuttal user, I clearly stand corrected and must be retarded...

Trump and Putin, equally pedophiles and disgraces in the communication age.

He didn't even win the popular vote, so yea, America did choose the Democrat

Who told you this?

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Congratulations on your moment of clarity.

I voted Trump. I wanted to hear all the whiny PC bitches cry and complain. This year has been bliss...keep it coming libtards...

i asked you a question, you didn't answer it, instead gave me an excuse why Trump is a Republican president but also a 3rd party candidate, which, yes, makes you retarded

You're on the far-left communist side. Like, alt-right, alt-left, antifa, KKK far-left.

I've never understood why the Dems are choosing to chase a phantom Russian menace that's taking years to investigate and may not even pay off instead of going after something tangible like Trump's conflicts of interests with foreign nations or admitted sexual assault

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Every single intelligence agency in our country, and numerous other intelligence agencies in ally nations.

>He didn't even win the popular vote

You're right. I don't count the millions of illegals allowed to vote. They don't count and will soon be gone.

Thank God for Putin. All hail Trump.

The problem with you lot is that you place "progressives" who want progressive economic policies and don't care about identity politics in the same category as "Antifa". There's a lot of FDR-types on the left who want to do a New-New deal and don't give a damn about SJW shit

Unintentionally, HRC
Prove me wrong

Which is why there's an electoral college. No mob rule you nigger.

>Russia?

You are totally delusional.

Your question looked quite rhetorical to me user. As anyone with 1/4 a brain can see, the Republican establishment DID NOT want Donald Trump, he had to fight the repubs to get his seat is all i was getting at while you're being extremely vague when acting like hes just another GOP establishment pick.

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>Illegals allowed to vote
Provide evidence

they didnt hack all crowds

>No mob rule

I agree with you on a local and state level. That's why we have local and state representatives, that only citizens of said state can vote for. I would be against people in California voting for a senator in Kentucky, for example.

But the President is a different matter. Their job is to represent ALL Americans, therefore all Americans should have an equal vote.

>Every single intelligence agency in our country
Actually, that's not true at all user. Have you ever heard of Fusion GPS?

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>Provide evidence

Don't need to. Trump is president. Illegals will soon be gone.

what the republican party wanted doesn't mean anything you fucking retard. you honestly believe that in politics words mean more than actions? this is why i laughed and ignored you

Trump over-performing with the white electorate is what got him into office. That being said, I don't believe that he'll be able to drum up the same kind of support he did this election, because if you really pay attention to things he is not fulfilling the mandate given to him by the voters. Neither is Congress, which is no big surprise, because Congress doesn't actually ever do the aforementioned - they just do whatever it takes to get elected. 2018 is going to be blue as hell because of this. The GOP in general needs to attempt to bring in more of a minority vote, because looking onward past 2024 over-performing with the white part of the electorate isn't going to be enough to win elections. Also the whole Russia thing is a fucking meme - it's literally all speculation and hearsay.

I don't know who "you lot" is, but you're all in the crazy slot. I don't wan't any more reforms, programs, benefits, nothing. The New Deal was a complete failure. Why do you leftos never look at history and see that socialism and redistribution is always fail. Progress goes nowhere.

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I am

3 intelligence agencies have "confirmed" Russia "hacked" our elections (without actually providing tangible evidence available to the public). One of those agencies was the US Coast guard.

Tell me, if our intelligence agencies have indisputable evidence that Russia hacked the DNC/whatever, why don't they release the documents?

The majority that matter voted Trump.

its actually a bunch of autists. that is, the american people

i don't think you understand what communism is if you think what the other user wants to be passed is communism, they're standard beliefs from progressives that help the majority of the population

>New Deal was a failure

Said nobody who lived through the Great Depression

>what is wrong with american politics

this guy believes
>words mean more than actions

therefore he has an
>irrational attachment
to the Republican president Trump

and is arguing using
>useless information

Is this the excuse the dying left is going with?

And a lot of Americans think Hillary Clinton is a fucking criminal but nobody will let any sort of investigative process near her in any way, shape or form; she is totally above reproach, despite doing shit that most actual criminals in jail could only dream of doing.

What of the people who fear her, hm?

I guess fuck them because huhuhu trump and he totally cheated the entire system and Hillary never did amirite tho guize

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>what the republican party wanted doesn't mean anything you fucking retard.
You were the one lumping him in with the Establishment right above, not me. You were making generalization above, not me. Stop projecting user. Donald Trump has always been a social democrat, were you born yesterday?

We like Trump he's a solution to the failures of the left.

Australia. We did it mate cause we love the cunt.

>Progress goes nowhere

what did he mean by this?

>I CANNOT INTO GREEN TEXT

"Innocent"

Waterboarding worked. Ksm gave up critical Intel.

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As somebody who didn't vote for Trump or Clinton, I think the anachronistic electoral college system should be done away with, or at least amended so that electoral votes are distributed proportionally, and not so some people's votes end up being worth more than other's.

I think he may be coming out as retarded.

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