Hey Sup Forums I lived my whole life as an atheist. SO convince me there is a god. I open to the idea of god i just need some proof or a good argument for me to believe.
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Colton Cook
You're not a true believer if you ask for evidence. Faith is all you need.
Brayden Martinez
no shit im not, make me one faggot
Dylan Collins
"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
John 11:26
Thomas Ramirez
doesn't mean shit to me. act as if im a native you are trying to convert
Connor Lewis
>act as if im a native you are trying to convert
Do you mean like telling you that you're doomed to eternal hellfire simply because your parents didn't teach you this?
Evan Jones
Kill yourself and find out
Nathan Brooks
Well, OP, that is one way to find out.
Grayson Richardson
yeah sure be convincing.
Joseph Harris
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Xavier Diaz
No need for a theological argument. Tradition, order and community. That's what religion has always been about. Faith is for protestant faggots and that is why Islam is conquering their countries.
Connor Martin
>black ones more dangerous than the white one
not an argument
Austin Morris
How would you convince a blind man that color exists?
Nicholas Evans
Depends if he was born, or was made blind. Kinda like the faith
Ryder Morris
because the Catholic head of state is so alpha right?
Anthony Carter
>Kill yourself and find out
>Well, OP, that is one way to find out.
Not neccesarily.
This is implying that supernatural shit inherently means an afterlife for humans.
Jason Jackson
yeah like old testament gods fucking talking to people and angles for killin people left and right. WHERE ARE THERE NOW CHILD STARS OF THE 80s
Juan Thomas
Not an argument.
John Brooks
Catholicism has not had a valid head in decades.
Ethan Edwards
To me it's hard to believe that humanity and this giant universe happened by accident and for nothing. It seems fucking retarded to me to assume everything just blipped into existance accidently because the universe wanted to. I find the idea of the universe creating itself akin to the idea that i made fun of in religous studies that the Egyptians believed Ra gave birth to himself.
Jose Martin
>SO convince me there is a god.
do you closeminded stupid asshole really think that there aren't metaphysical forces or anything with a godly attribute that lead to the accumulation of a primordial universe in the first place? why do you think things even exist then?
what is the foundation? what is the base? where does everything come from? besides, physical laws are set and bound in a certain way. we can measure them from 0 to 100 and the go from A to B. Why? tell me what set the boundaries for these laws? if not by something supernatural that is just really far away. what else would that kind of thing be that forces things into existence in the first place?
Atheists are fucking retarded manchilds and literally autistic. Now Sup Forums should somehow step up to help you think things through. you're being an asshole if you truly expect that from anybody just because you can't grasp the concept of a creator.
Cameron Robinson
Hello dear atheist.
Let me tell you of an acctual religion and not some fairytale like the semitic shit.
Paganism is the way to go, if you want to be just a pagan like every other, there you go, just follow the ideas of pic related.
Or you can meditate and with enough passion and faith, you can acctually get the proof that there are gods. I allready felt my own soul mutliple times and twice I felt external energys.
One more thing I didnt ever expirience myself but heard of, that there are people that can read your thoughts without a problem and even ignite candles with easy fingersnipping.
tl:dr meditate and you get your proof.
Sebastian Rogers
i also have trouble coming to grips with the idea of the universe just creating itself out of no where. I dont really struggle with the idea that the universe is infinite and time could be cyclical but a circle just existing because(why not?) seems like a cop-out. but if there is a god why wouldnt it let all of us know of its existence ?
Benjamin Sullivan
Tyler Gutierrez
>why do you think things even exist then?
0/10 troll
Jose Watson
>Pantheism is answer.
Joseph Diaz
>but if there is a god why wouldnt it let all of us know of its existence ?
it doesn't have to or need to because it probably doesn't fit the rational scheme of a "sentient being" or animal. and it's nothing anthropomorphic either since it existed far longer than mankind. it likely doesn't mean it has no power to find a way to let us know about its existence though.
Oliver Collins
Because revealing its existence would cause panic and if everyone knew there was a God they would know they had to follow it's rules eliminating choice from the equation.
Blake Stewart
The whole christianity thing here is a meme you dingus this isn't fucking funny go back to fucking tumblr and learn how to masturbate to furry porn like a good goyim you retarded 14 year old pan gendered fucking faggot. We only want fat sheep for our slaughter.
Aiden Garcia
>0/10 troll
very funny. come back once have a point.
Ethan Stewart
Categorizing my argument as a logical fallacy isn't an argument.
Elijah Anderson
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Dominic Kelly
>Hey Sup Forums, I lived my whole life as a solipsist. So convince me you exist and are conscious just like me. I'm open to the idea of other people, I just need some proof or a good argument for me to believe.
We all have blind faith in many things like this and we don't require proof. In fact, there is no possible proof. Really, when you accept that other people are as real as you, and act on that faith, you don't need any proof. It's self-evident.
Even if God appeared (which He did as Jesus) and performed miracles, your rational mind will tell you it was a hallucination and you need anti-psychotics, or you will suddenly wake up and realise it was all a dream and dismiss it.
God is not an existent thing with a physical appearance. He "created" existence itself and completely transcends it. There is no chance his infinitely infinite nature can appear to you in a finite form that will convince you of his reality. Even more so than with other people, who at least you can see, your connection to Him is through faith.
Have faith and you will come to know that God is real. Faith precedes everything else.
You might need to drop your faith in science. Its usefulness is all it has going for it.
Isaiah Hill
this.
Ryder Sanders
Categorizing your logical fallacy as a logical fallacy isn't an argument you're right.
I only argue with logical, rational points.
So please correct yourself and repost.
Jonathan Campbell
>I can commit logical fallacies and it still holds because it's all I've got
no. go away.
Connor Flores
But the universe did just expand out of nothing.
And you know what?
You're right: That does not make any fucking sense. At all. It's as far fetched as a theorethical physical phenomena could possibly go.
But then again: What universal law states that all the physics of the universe have to make sense to humans?
i.e: We went our first 200.000 years just wandering the desert and seeing the sun as a hot object an immesurable distance away. That must have made no god damn sense at all. It's only in the last 100(?) years we've figured out how the sun even works.
And even if we never did make any sense of it, it's still there, glowing away. And actually physically there, not just in some strange "I belive it's there" way.
Owen Moore
>I only argue with logical, rational points.
>God exceeds rationality and you literally can't grasp it.
no, John, you are the fallacy memes.
Chase Myers
So basically what you're saying is you don't actually have any arguments and you don't argue with my (non)arguments ... Why did you even post again?
Brayden Evans
alright go back to your non-stop talking about jews controlling the media but also being scum and how leftists are fascists but fascists are cool. Gay faggot need some dick detected
John Rogers
>no. go away.
I won't. don't make me laugh. you have no point loser.
Grayson Flores
>God exceeds rationality
lol. please look at global rule 2 before posting again.
I'd love to have a discussion with you. But your entire premise is flawed.
Please understand exactly why you've committed a fallacy then post again without the flawed garbage.
Jeremiah Morris
God isn't some old man sitting on a cloud sending you to hell if you are a faggot. Its a universal field of consciousness that every one and everything is connected to. That is what the creator is, consciousness. That consciousness steers evolution if there is a rapid change in environment and it was allows species to adapt so fast when their environment changes.
Just take a pillow or a chair and go sit and relax in a dark room while you contemplate on that. Make a conscious effort to connect with god/source/infinite intelligence or w/e you want to call it and it will come to you. This is not something i can prove to you, its something that you have to prove to yourself.
Taking mind altering drugs like mushrooms, certain strains of cannabis, psychedelic plants etc might help you with this but its really just a crutch and its not really necessary.
Connor Lewis
So how can you fucking believe if there are no empirical evidence? just do it?
Grayson Young
Well I guess what I'm trying to say is that if the most scientific version of how the universe came to be doesn't make sense to me, I might as well go with something more personally satisfying like the belief in a creator and an overarching purpose.
Tyler Cox
Didn't take too long for the religious butthurt to come shining through.
Why can't you guys ever actually have a rational discussion without committing multiple logic fails in each post?
Is it even possible for you?
Do you even understand why fallacious arguments are bad?
Ethan Ramirez
I dont like arguing with people who quote others' logic and then sit back and wait for me to make another argument they can point out the errors in, meanwhile never actually making an argument in the first place. So I'll just ignore you then faggot.
Lucas Brown
Huysmans went to Christianity toward the end, not because he believed any of the dogma, but for aesthetic reasons.
You can't deny that secularism has made the West an ugly place.
I -- like many of you -- never grew up with a strong religious foundation. I'd entertain it though if it'd turn Western white women back to being chaste housewives instead of the cumdumpster amateur pornstars making a duckface for Tyrone on Tinder (while holding their kid in "muh single mom pride" pose in the bathroom mirror on the next photo when you swipe).
No going back though. I don't think any white men can respect the church too much after it's been sodomized by this commie pope kissing niggers' feet.
Ethan Thompson
If you start to see random dimes everywhere, come back here.
Blake Thompson
>God is not an existent thing with a physical appearance. He "created" existence itself and completely transcends it. There is no chance his infinitely infinite nature can appear to you in a finite form that will convince you of his reality
Thats being dank meme there, starting to convince me
Aiden Rivera
God was alone.... We know what being alone is like. It sucks. We love other people. We strive to create children for ourselves with people we love. God created everything because he was alone. And he made it so he wouldnt know himself. Why would he? That would be a lame perspective to experience... He hid himself and made human nature so we would be unable to understand our beginnings. And im not talking about "we all come from our sun hurr surr we are the same". God had to create the sun as well... But not only all the shit we see all around us. He had to create the laws of physics. This is where most people fail. They ask for and expect proof of god. No such thing will ever exist because proof is something we made up. Well god made up physics. How can you prove something like that? I dont think you can. But sacred geometry is a good start to look at. Ieverything is god. Everything has the urge to recreate itself and other life. Our lives should be spent learning to love other people and thats enough preaching for today
Daniel Lewis
the battle is always with yourself.
battle #1: stop being spiritually lazy. (sloth)
pick up the bible and read it.
read it right. grain of salt. take the good and leave the bad. take le wheat and leave le chaff.
its all about that spiritual shit.
you have to figure you out first.
dig through all the religions you can.
its all relative.
Jesus is a good start even if it doesnt take.
research all the spiritual stuff you can.
you will end up back at Jesus.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
Bentley Price
>So how can you fucking believe if there are no empirical evidence? just do it?
There is empirical evidence everywhere. The fingerprints of the creator is in every flower, tree, seed, animal and human.
Joshua Flores
i am now a believer
Liam Lopez
Its not evidence in that sense. But I agree swedish brother. It should be obvious from looking at nature what is going on.
Joshua Collins
>I dont like arguing with people who quote others' logic
It must happen a lot then if you don't like it.
Here's an idea, if you hate it that much, stop making illogical arguments.
>then sit back and wait for me to make another argument they can point out the errors in
Well I'm not going to waste time arguing a flawed point.
If you think arguing with someone who has made a flawed point is a good thing to do you're dumb as dog shit.
>meanwhile never actually making an argument in the first place.
Because I'm waiting for you to make a cogent point so I can offer a rebuttal. How are you not getting this?
10 year olds in debating classes could tell you this.
Zachary Kelly
1. There isn't evidence that the universe created itself without some sort deity that transcends physics. So why believe the opposite. IMO in the end it comes down to faith in which you rather believe in. Faith in atheists belief that the universe created itself, or faith in theists belief that a god created the universe. If you really think about it... neither explanation is more logical than the other.
Owen Williams
Not a single thing in that picture requires a 'god'.
The 'golden ratio' is a man made concept too.
Sebastian Lee
user no, don't fall victim to the fairytales
>inb4 tips fedora
Joshua Thomas
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Tyler Rivera
>battle #1: stop being spiritually lazy
Ya know, i do feel pretty normie when it comes to actually thinking about god. Im pretty drunk though
Joshua Martin
There isn't evidence that the universe created itself without some sort deity that transcends physics. So why believe the opposite. IMO in the end it comes down to faith in which you rather believe in. Faith in atheists belief that the universe created itself, or faith in theists belief that a god created the universe. If you really think about it... neither explanation is more logical than the other.
Ayden Flores
We are not the ones to ask, OP. Seek God and you shall find him.
Isaac Sullivan
You are claiming naturally occurring geometric shapes are man made? The fuck are they feeding you guys down there?
Luke Gomez
I lel at people like you that think arguments require some sort of set of rules as if there's a point system and you lose if you disobey one of the rules. Unless you can provide your own thoughts on the subject instead of hiding behind the thoughts of others, I'm really gonna ignore you.
Zachary Hernandez
Forget everything you ever heard on this issue.
Cogito ergo sum
I'll break it down to you quickly:
I think therefore I am.
Descartes claims that the only thing you can truely know is that you do in fact exist, since it's self evident. You perceive your own perception directly. Anything else might be an illusion.
Look up the definition of the universe.
Then compare traits that are usually acribed to the universe with the ones usually ascribed to God.
You will see huge overlaps.
Also, underatand that the universe is not a proven entity, but a defined one. There's no proof for an entirety, we just define something no one has explored as such.
Also ask yourself wether or not you want to believe that your consciousness just popped out of nowhere.
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After having processed all of this you will come to the realization that everything extending your experience of self is not proven but belief, the universe is a common belief, the terms god and the universe can in most cases be used synonymously and that the universe must be spiritted in order for you to be spiritted.
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In the last step ask yourself why Tengriists worship the sky (or the face of the universe) and of the impact that belief made (see for example: mandate of heaven in China).
Julian Scott
Jesus said, "I am [...] the Truth". If you believe that truth exists, you believe that He exists. If you have faith in the truth, you have faith in Him.
Nicholas Williams
Are you mentally ill? Do you have issues understanding basic english?
That's not what I said at all.
Nathan Garcia
Its funny how the pagan and pantheism posts are ignore.
And the christian retardation is all over the place.
Luke Campbell
its just normal, bro
were all lazy on this shit to some degree.
its easy to put God before everything else in your life when you have proven to yourself that there is a God and you really swallow the youre-gonna-die pill.
Were born to die
Are we really alive?
How does one attain life?
Mason Walker
What if I say that I don't choose either explanation that seems to have no eveidence to back it up and just say "I don't know" when someone asks how the Universe was created? An a-theist doesn't have to believe in a certain other explanation, by definition all they have to do is not believe in God(s).
Michael Thomas
When did I say anyone 'lost' because they made an illogical post?
I want you to post again without the fallacy so our discussion can continue.
>I'm really gonna ignore you.
>Translation: I'm dumb as fuck and I don't even understand why my post is illogical so I'm going to pretend my argument holds water and it's someone elses fault
user please grow up. If you want to have an actual discussion I'm more than willing. If you think you can just shit out whatever nonsense you want and expect people to take it seriously, then you're mistaken.
Lincoln Richardson
To me its proof enough that we are all connected on a fundamental level. The closer you get to it the closer you are to perfection, its in art, music and everything. If you take a pic from a beautiful person you can be sure that they are closer to it then some one with a birth defect.
>The 'golden ratio' is a man made concept too.
How is it a man made concept?
Ethan Wright
>make me do something only I can do for myself
I'm sure there are seeds of doubt in your atheism already, if not why make a thread like this?
Here is something to consider, your enemies on this planet definitely believe.
Levi Morgan
Nah you said you wanted empirical evidence. Swedish guy posted a naturally occurring phenomenon. You said the concept of golden ratio is man made. Sure it is every word we have for something is man made.... the golden ratio still isnt man made tho. Man doesnt dictate nature. Nature follows rules. Who do you created physics? Or did physics create itself? Or was it created by nothing and without will? What do you think frieND?
Noah Collins
Saying "I don't know" just seems like a cop-out to me. It may be the most logical way to look at all the lack of evidence for any one explanation and decide that you can't intelligently make a decision... but what do you do from there? Just wait for the right amount of evidence to convince you one way or another? Or just push it out of your mind. I find it a lot more intellectually satisfying to actually pick one explanation and extrapolate from there.
Bentley Davis
Believe or don't man, it's a fucking personal thing, you're looking at it like a way to join an elite club.
Look at the universe, if you see the divine will of an almighty God then start believing in the guy.
If however you look at the universe and see the interplay of cosmic laws without the need for a creator that's probably because there isn't one.
Connor Price
>How is it a man made concept?
Errr? How is that even a fucking question.
You do realise that mathematics is a man made concept? And physics...
Do you think that me saying physics is a man made concept means I'm saying that gravity was invented by man?
>Nah you said you wanted empirical evidence
Bull fucking shit. Point out exactly where I said that.
Josiah Peterson
>Who do you created physics? Or did physics create itself?
Let me guess "muh gawd did it"? lol prove your claim.
William Ross
it sounds all smart n shit but thats pretty much the dumbest shit ever.
gaythiest detected.
Cooper Murphy
>but what do you do from there? Just wait for the right amount of evidence to convince you one way or another?
Yep, some ideas can be interesting to think about sure, but at the moment the most truthful answer I can give is still that I don't actually know.
Evan Walker
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Liam Campbell
Mathematics isn't a man made concept, it's a set of rules discovered by man which accurately reproduce and describe concepts and actions we have observed throughout the universe.
Alexander Wood
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Aiden King
I have no way to prove my faith. But I always suggest in these threads that people go look up sacred geometry and read for a couple of hours. It hashes out a way a singular holy spirit can discover the rules of physics.
Jaxon King
Incorrect.
Maths is 100% a man made concept. Do you have evidence to the contrary? I'd love to see it.
Dylan Taylor
>I have no way to prove my faith
Therefore by defintion it's completely irrational to believe in it.
Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.
Dominic Barnes
If god was real, and has moral laws such as written in the bible, he sure the fuck wouldn't pick the Jews as his chosen people.
Gavin Ortiz
If god is real how come he lets my country be continually mocked by everyone else to a point where I can't have a civil discussion without some Australian posting
>A FUCKING LEAF
Carson Martin
Lol what. Huge leap retard. Look up some geometry like I told you instead of saying "Ah no proof. I win again"
Josiah Long
I can see where your coming from... But to me it seems pointless just to say "i dont know" the evidence may never come in your life time, and to me not deciding would make me feel like life is pretty pointless. I'm a theist but i rather be an atheistfag and assume there's no higher power and no punishment for doing whatever you want than go around wondering. I rather be decided, so I can live accordingly. Idk if that makes sense or if I have adhd.
Blake Cruz
There's a reason it's called "faith". You have to put your belief in God's existence. This isn't an easy thing to do; to believe something without hard evidence.
Read the bible, research some criticism of the Scriptures. Look into the lives of biblical scholars like Thomas Aquinas. He and many others struggled with the fact that they believed in God without having any proof. And if afterwards you're still not convinced, that's okay. It's interesting stuff anyways.
Landon Evans
Leo Carter
The whole thing about God actually le sky daddy has this sort of problem. What issue would we have if it is just clear about God? Somehow it isn't.
I'll post this. After you seen it it will be more clear and improved compared to what is now generally known.
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One if not the best functioning church at the moment. In Africa: that is how it is not suggested they have to deal with these issues. Of course a longer story why this all like this.
Just proof about the existence of God:
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Andrew Diaz
this is going to keep me busy for a while
lol thx bro
Ryan Foster
Not everyone requires faith. Thats a losing argument. You have no proof god appeared as jesus. Silly goose.
Anthony Kelly
Again, you dumb fuckwit.
At no point have I EVER claimed I was correct or I'd won.
Do you understand what a burden of proof is? Do you understand how believing something you can't prove is irrational?
I will believe absolutely anything if you can provide compelling evidence for the claim.
So until you can provide compelling evidence for something you believe in, it's completely irrational for you to believe it, and I'd be even stupider to just take your word for it.
I'd like to know how you think I think I'm correct when I haven't made a claim.
Asher Carter
Alright, nigger. Hold on to your shorts...
Now, I'll assume you're familiar with basic probability, so we will skip that math lesson. What I want you to do is go find a coin, any coin. Done? Good. Flip it. What'd it land on? Heads? Tails? Whatever. What are the odds of it landing on that side? 50/50? Let me tell you that you're wrong, cap'n.
Forget the coin for a moment, what I want you to do now is count up every atom, molecule and sub-atomic particle in the entire universe. Done? Good. Now, calculate the odds of them being in the exact right spot at the exact right time for any event at all to happen. Done? Good. Now, calculate the odds of every subsequent event happening as a result of that initial event in a cause and effect relationship, all the way up to you flipping the coin? Done? Good. You probably got the odds of Infinity to One against reality.
What this means is that according to basic probability, that coin does not exist and neither do you. But you flipped the coin, so obviously there has to be an outside force that either caused an initial event to happen, which lead to the coin flip, or caused the coin flip itself. A "God" if you will.
Now, I'm not saying that this is the God of the bible or whatever and that he doesn't want you to beat off and is watching you at all times. Merely that there is, in all likelihood, a creator. You're welcome.
Brayden Roberts
DON'T LET THE CHIRSTCUCCKS TELL YOU THERE IS ONLY THE JEWISH VERSION OF GOD OP. FOR ALL WE KNOW THERE COULD BE MULTIPLE GODS IN OUR MULTIVERSE.
Dylan Peterson
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