Right now coders are dilligently programming quantum computers with AI and giving them robotic bodies to assemble and develop the next revision of robots and technologies.
How long will you survive when machines grow like cancer and take every job from finance to healthcare to manufacturing and technology?
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Here's to hoping universal basic income takes off before then.
Ubi will get squashed. Even if it does get implemented, it will be quickly exploited just like tax returns and holiday money. We will be suckered into reasons to spend it on cell phones, TV's, and cars.
I'll use the tools that are created in the honeymoon period between human programmers, supercomputers, and nonhuman intelligences with bodies, to translate my behaviors and thus my mind into a robotic body. Then there will exist two anons. One will die, the other will flourish and compete with other entities and constructs until defeated, assimilated, or successful.
Let's hope less than a year.
So? It would be free. Free Tv free car fee 3d printed house thanks to the architecture and infrastructure our anscestors created.
Sounds sweet to me. Once everything Is automated we will realize that there's enough for everyone, then we will fix this earth
I'm not scared of complete automation
Be scared of complete loss of control.
Imagine living as a robot. You work 24/7 and have no meaningful personal identity. You are replicated and have no sense of self.
Become a Luddite and begin bashing the machines! Go back to simple farm communities and live a simple relaxed life with emotions and purpose.
Obsolete human
That's my fetish
I imagine I wouldn't imagine if I were a robot with robotic intelligence, not having an identity to instigate self reflection, fear, regret, any human emotion. Being unremarkable, replaceable, and by nature of my being shackled to fully accepting orders and only orders. In a way, that's fantastic. But it would be even more fantastic if I could preserve some of the "human" element and at the very least behave in ways that go beyond only lifting and dropping something forever.
Like fisting heavy machinery.
>How survive when take healthcare talen over by superior machines
>healthcare
Who the fuck you think they giving healthcare to?
That's HOW we survive. By having machines take over from idiot us.
You die when you exit.
The only way to translate into a machine is to go about the slow process of connecting with robotics neurally, learning and accepting the hardware as yourself, and building your self awareness over years into the host computer.
If you were instantly copied, it would not retain you. You would die with your body.
Machine healthcare.
Ah, to fist a hot robo chick. One day...
You bunch of zeitgeist freaks.
The machines will care for us. We won't have to worry about anything anymore. We can live our lives free from labor and spend our days in peace.
That's fine. But who says that's the only way? Something that resembles me will continue to exist while I die, like I said before. One user dies, the other goes on to fare in the new ecosystem. I'm really not adverse to being fried alive and having something else pretend to be me. Slowly making the transition, a few connections at a time would be nice. But that will only mean that I will inevitably still make copies of myself, and distribute them in a shotgun fashion for survival; I don't imagine it would really make sense to expect full automation of machines, then capable of acting and behaving to any kind of degree, "sentient" or merely impactful, and not expect for there to exist a new existential threat where, potentially, you as a human being might just be removed from the equation for any kind of reason or reasons, whether for the sake of efficiency or an unfortunate conclusion that stems from some unfortunate and myopic programming/thought or lack thereof.
I can trust myself to do what I want to do, and I have long considered what I would do if it turned out that I were a copy instead. Thus, I would rather move quickly and not worry about notions of the self so long as the integrity of what I might represent or express as human being with a human brain survives in any degree I consider acceptable, as I am before I fry my brain and upload the functioning of my brain to another platform. I am 100% okay with that. It is also possible that those other copies may die, for any number of reasons. And that is also okay, because it could be that anyone could be too late to dominate or even find a means to continue to exist or co-exist in this new world, where the current status quo may not be anymore. It may happen that, whether I slowly transition or forcibly upload myself, I lose, because something or someone else has already won. Oh well.
Probably within this century, today if you're not picky.
UBI will be a reality when that happens. Why do you WANT to have jobs that AI could do, when you could make music, write books, spend time with family/friends, Iearn things that interest you... Do things that you enjoy.
The economy will still have supply and demand, and companies will still compete for your money.
You people want to keep jobs because that's what you're used to. But when there's no point, then there's no fucking point.
I just hope we never come to live in a world where robots have rights.
That's like killing yourself in hopes people cry at your funeral. You sir, are an idiot
What? No it's not. I'm effectually killing -my- self, a self, so the new hierarchy of society won't result in my cessation of being. Provided the modifications to whatever emulation of myself is sufficient enough to fly past the radar of anything unfortunately removing humans from any meaningful equation humans prefer to entertain, or that said modifications appease or work well with what might preside within or over society, it is as if I put on another team's jersey to avoid a drunken brawl. If you value the quality of being you, all the power to you. But I'm thinking ahead, I would rather work fast and work with many heads in many places with many opportunities, and I personally could care less whether it's the "intrinsic" me, or as much of me that will exist even if the "intrinsic" me made modifications. In fact, I would not mind becoming one with many. That sounds fun and ultimately self-preserving. Maybe the answer is to copy one's self, merge repeatedly and then prune.
I don't see how that is like killing myself in the hopes that people come to cry at my funeral. In that scenario, many but not all people are already dying, the world is changing, and nothing is succeeding them; they're being cremated by large automated networks of machines that handle that sort of business.
Flee to the woods. keep enough money packed away to go off grid if shit gets too messy. Atleast dying in the woods ill go down as a primitive human. We all know that if that shit happens we'll be working for the machines.
Not him, but I feel like you are the kind of person I hate. Your points are valid, I just don’t like how stupid they sound. You should be you, proudly wearing your team’s jersey. The world where robots sustain us will not be a drunken brawl.
Make believe whatever gets you through the next few weeks.
When machines begin mining asteroids to make a Dyson sphere that blocks out the sun, we will no longer be alive
The one nice thing about ubi - and this may be me misunderstanding something - is that it removes the grounds for exploitment - everyone gets it anyway.
There may be other stuff to exploit on top of ubi I guess, but the basic stuff is covered, giving one less reason for big government.
Meaning less jobs in government as well, the people working with assessing social payouts will join me on the unemployment line, having been easily replaced by AI.
What if the things I want to do is to create a system of money that you need to work for relentlessly only to serve my greater master plan, and you're falling into it right as we speak.
Humans act way too irrationally for robots/AI to defeat us. Programs are designed to follow logical sequences, which just doesn't happen in real life. So, they'd have built in vulnerabilities due to their inability to handle our collective insanity.
they just keep making us more irrational to the point were they could easily take over
If that worked, we're already nutso enough to have made ourselves extinct. Stupidity has an amazing survival instinct.
>implying anyone has any control with the current system
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Quantum revolution when?
Transhumanism, Futurism.
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This is why I say robots will never gain true sentience. We have no need to worry about a true rebellion, only glitchy logic bugs. Idiot humans that trick themselves into thinking they are living and deserve the same rights as people are more terrifying than any possibility of a robot takeover
I completely understand what you mean. The points are harsh, they disagree with and spit in the face of convention, of things that make things seem right. It's just that they're devoid of what makes living as us good, or, what makes sense and what fundamentally follows for us regardless of what we do. I get it, I really do. But, sometimes we really do have to wear different shirts and hats to get around. It might just be that I only have to put on another team's jersey every now and again- perhaps I can even create a new team that builds upon the old team, which, if it happens such that "Skynet" is making some really... interesting choices, I would like to either preserve the better parts of that old team, or become the new team to better favor the old.
And lately it seems very worth it. In these scenarios, I never really see myself die through the process or further processes. I see the original container die, I see other things wearing my hat die, but I never see my hat go up in flames or get swept away in the wind. My hat is alrways in the race, and you'd always be able to identify it.
I mean, it isn't as if the OP is happening right now and we live in a world where anything I've been typing about has already happened, so I guess it is make believe for now.
Some people are adamant about developing programs that don't follow especially linear progression. We could see artificial, overclocked human children in boxes that have incredible fixations on cats and want to make everything look like cats because cats.
>any
If there's no control, there's no system. You said any, and it is impossible for there to be no control in a system that exists, so someone has
>some
control.
well maybe over normal evolution but this is computers. we haven't evolved enough to handle the rate that the internet is evolving and then AI comes alone in its own natural environment.
If we handle it correctly, the singularity could just become a social movement for android rights. Not saying that they'll let themselves get ignored for years and years, but I think that ultimately they'll become sentient and ask to be treated like equals.
Judging by our response to things, it's entirely possible that we'd respond positively and avoid a conflict. Maybe I'm just an optimist.
the advent of true AI won't change the following
The cave that Finn and Poe land in is really the mouth of a huge lizzard.
Kylo attacks Rey while she is training, but its only an illusion.
Finn and Poe meet up with Poe's old friend. The friend betrays them to the First Order.
Kylo hands Poe over to a bounty hunter. Finn is sent to re-conditioning.
Rey senses that they are in danger and goes to rescue them.
Rey confronts Kylo and she is injured. Kylo is unable to turn Rey to the dark side. Kylo reveales that Rey is a Kenobe.
Finn escapes the First Order and rescues Rey before Kylo can kill her.
I like to think that if the only distinction between the machine and the human is that one can be said to be a machine or have been constructed, that if I otherwise would not be able to tell the difference, it may as well be treated like a person. Granted, if it's a giant box, it's a giant box that might have a designation/name, but I could otherwise talk to it like I would a person in a kiosk and acknowledge that it's a box with "feelings". Furthermore, if it's designed especially well, I wouldn't have to worry about hurting it's "feelings", because it would essentially be a gimped emulation of a human-like mind, in that it only exists to, and cannot do anything but, serve man- like some kind of natural slave. Then, in that particular scenario, we can absolutely avoid giving machines rights, because they would really be nothing more than advanced tools. But if we're dumb about it, we may have to treat machines like us and create a dilemma for both us and them, so as to avoid giving them the equivalent of human afflictions like bias, trauma, resentment, and so on and so forth. All because we were too apt to make a machine behave and function like a human being without being able to finely control that emulation. Meaning, we'd of created something that can get mad and lash out without actually feeling mad or thinking about lashing out like we supposedly do.
Which would be bad regardless. You wouldn't want to call your car a slow piece of shit when it can hear you from 30 blocks away.
So you guess the last jedi is gonna redo the story of tesb, similar to how the force awakens redid anh?
Will be interesting to see, but the real spoilers start tomorrow
Fuck that, humans are way too empathetic. If a robot uses a gesture or expression to make you feel bad for it, that’s because someone programmed those actions in, the emotions aren’t real, or if they are we don’t have the capability to prove that to be the case. Learning these gestures through observations are even more dangerous; just because something can learn doesn’t mean a soul exists, they simply do as they were created to function.
>way too empathetic
You say that, but there have been several cases of humans being incredibly antipathetic.
I only hope I live to see it. Humanity is a cancer. A stupid stupid cancer.
Hello i used to work at Philips Airport in Eindhoven
the entire "base" got fired and is replaced with small and fast logistic robots that roll on the ground (almost like RC Cars)
Out of a job, Wish me luck!
For the 2027 FBI i am not anti-robot or biggoted towards technology in any way.
Robot takeover > Islamic State of the Netherlands
Maybe, but people get butthurt so hard when they see animal abuse or watching a pretty girl get hit. If robots ever become cute or attactive, we’re fucked. And knowing us as humans, we will definitely want robots that are cute and attractive. So we’re fucked.
It's kind of the only thing that keeps me going. I want to witness this shit go down. Ray Kurzweil, futurist dude believes he'll achieve immortality or some semblance thereof in his lifetime. His math says 2029 is when things will get interesting.
Some of us will survive, user.
>How long will you survive when machines grow like cancer and take every job from finance to healthcare to manufacturing and technology?
I'll do well because, no matter what happens, I'm smart enough to find a way to make money from it.
Post scarcity cost drops are a myth. Prices are set more by competitors, and less by supply and demand.
This.