We need socialism badly

We need socialism badly...

National socialism...

I hate midgets

Just because I have long legs doesn't mean I should be penalized

Why arnt they in the stands?

I hate people who wont pay to see a sporting event......

Cause they're socialist scum

why not just give them or their parents jobs with fair wages so they could buy a ticket?

>Why arnt they in the stands?
Brown skin . . .

because socialism supports freeloaders who dont pay for the tickets

those cheap niggers should buy tickets.

Socialism is for the lazy. Every person I’ve met who wants socialism doesn’t have a job and bitches all the time that they don’t have money. Capitalism is the only way a poor person can become rich. Work hard

Look, rich fuckers have enough money to buy poor working class citizens who can barely afford to eat....a ticket to watch baseball and thus forget about thier poverty for a few hours. Its the least that the rich can do for those poor saps that scrub toilets.

Why would we want Socialism?

So after a full day of cleaning toilets for a living, I can watch a damn baseball game without standing next to brown people on boxes!

We really dont. Socialism benefits the lazy. Would you put in any effort at work when it simply does not even matter as everything is equal. Should I the person that worked hard throughout school and uni to give a better chance at a nice life be treated the same as the guy that barely passed school.

I recommend you real Harrison Bergeron

You dont understand incentive do you?
IF they rich had to give there money to the poor 2 things would happen

The rich wouldnt work to get what they have because it would be forfeited to those who worked less

The poor would work even less then they do now because the less you have the more you get for free.

Only poor lazy fucks ask for handouts.

>people rejecting capitalism tend to be the most exploited by it
gee what a surprise

Fuck that. Maybe the poor should get off their lazy asses and get a job. Also here’s a god damn thought. If you’re poor don’t have kids

Losers need socialism badly

You're the reason that people who work hard for a living have to prepare their kids to leave the US eventually.

..because you have this notion that life should be "fair." Its not.

Fucking work. You'll get what you get. There will always, ALWAYS be someone with more. Even in socialism.. ..the only difference is the "party elite" will have it instead of those that work hard. You;ll still be fucked, stupid.

when 90% of all blue-collar labor is done by robots you will see

You're not, but short people deserve an equal opportunity to watch the game

said no-one over the age of 19

Or anyone who has ever opened a history book.

The left will argue with you that both men will benefit from hand-outs but what really bugs me is that no one admits that in the long run, the social benefit / minimum living wage hand-out cannot fund themselves.

they have them because their incentive to get free moneys. Same with single black moms. Theyre getting paid to get rid of the father.

Thats why you dont know your dad nigger, because youre mom is a lazy welfare queen

Why? Life isn’t fair.

>Pic related

>implying the big nog wouldn't just beat the shit out of the smaller nogs for their boxes

Hmmm... the spaniard may have a point....

Why are you calling me a nigger?

>We need socialism badly...
But then nobody with intelligence or talent will want to try. Why spend a decade getting a medical degree and training and then having a difficult job when you can take worthless college classes and be a human resources drone with the same eventual lifestyle.

I don't think capitalism is perfect, but socialism and communism ideas work against inovation and pushing ones self to be the best.

are you a nigger?

So its about niggers stealing in without paying. Niggers gonna nig.

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Socialism in practice would just have the fence built higher so now nobody can see the game.

>exploited
Go exploit yourself a job, fatty

Capitalism is indeed flawed....

But but but.... Universal Basic Income!

It sickens me that some people are so stupid they try to scale up a program that only works under very strict conditions in a small society. Social gimme-me-thats depend on money being put into the pot in the first place. Taxing the hell out of businesses is not a solution, neither is leaving the middle class out to dry.

TIL facts are racist.

Not if we make it fair. I feel sorry for you if you are so narrow minded that you can't possibly conceive of a equitable world.

Nope. I’m a white Irish, I know both my parents, and my mother hates welfare and people on it.

Look at these poor ass Mexicans trying to get free shit like always. These stinky beaners need to get a fucking job so they can buy a fucking ticket like everyone else. These faggots should be in jail or picking beans somewhere.

We need libertarianism

That's just being human.
The metaphorical sense would apply by transforming this into who's winning.

Hell, if i got a "living wage" via UBI as per all these socialist and communist fucks want to give everyone, I would quit my job and just sit at home in my free apartment eating my free food and using my free internet until i died because the path of least resistance is doing nothing.

/thread

I mean it is such a defeatist attitude, to not be able to think that we can achieve a world beyond resource scarcity, and cut throat competition.

you need to be killed badly

Is it fair if I work hard my entire life to grantee a good job and be treated the same as some guy who finished high school barely passing and just not giving a fuck?

Libertarian here. It won't work on a big scale right away. In a township, a small city, sure. Maybe even a county if really competent people are placed in charge.

But a country like US? Not a chance, not yet.

yes because muh socialism and muh feelings and muh disabilities and muh equality and muh self esteem

I watched the libertarian convention and that was some circus shit right there. They were debating on if you dont travel at night should you be forced to have your taxes spent on street lights. Dumb dumb dumb conversation.....thos libertarians

No I can conceive it I just know that would never happen. I’m a realist not a fantasy dreamer

>pushing ones self to be the best.

Okay, I can agree with that. But why did the recent tax bill increase the "death tax" exemption to something obscene?

Why are capital gains taxed at a lower rate? Why should return on investment be encouraged with lower taxes (i.e. rent seeking, as in sitting on your ass letting the money roll in), but yet manual labor taxed at the highest possible rate?


Something doesn't smell right, and it's getting worse.

no we fuckin don't.

If that's what you wanted to do with your life, you could do that. Others would not. Eventually, we will reach a level of automation that almost all rudimentary, non-thinking, non-creative tasks will be unnecessary. Automation is the future. We can then choose either UBI, or mass protest, oligarchy, and social unrest. Seems to me the logical solution would be UBI.

For real?

Socialism is great in homgenous nations where the socioeconomic divisions are minimal. Psychologically people will be fine if they see it as helping their fellow man. Smaller divisions means people will be taxed simillarly and more money is generated overall.

In more populous, diverse places (U.S) you see great socioeconomic divisions. Socialism would mean absurd taxation on middle and upper class citizens. Money that would go to almost all the people below a certain "threshold." In the end it is blatantly unfair to the people who actually earned money.

The alternative to Socialism would be a prosperous lower class, which is impossible due to the nature of the poor in a country like ours. Every hard working person I know is self sustaining. The poor tend to be concerned with other things (not supporting themselves), but still find thd time to complain about their situations.

Confronting free speech comes opposed to libertarianism, when the word itself means "freedom on-".
Better fix these neoliberals ruining it first.

ITT including OP: marxist faggots who think socialism and communism are the same

until automation hits a critical mass, there's a huge gap in the capabilities of providing and consumption that has to be met.

And with all the "jobs" that will be lost while the legislation sits on the hill as the automation ramps up, do you really think that a civil societal change will happen as easily as this fantasy that you hold portrays?

You're missing my point. The doctor may get payed slightly better in the socialist utopia you want to build, but is it worth the pain? In a society where anyone could claim to be disabled or on hard times and they will be given enough money to live a middle class life without doing anything at all, why would anyone spend so much time and effort to make only a little more.

In capitalist societies being anyone can be be a hobo and not work, but the governement hand outs are not enough to live anything near a middle class lifestyle. In the socialist society they can do the same amount of no work and live comfortably. Spending 10 years studying and then working a hard job for life to live slightly more comfortable is silly.

In the society where everyone lives above our poverty line, it kills so much incentive to do anything. I'd need to see a well thought out method for socialism to continue incentive and personal improvement. Its the doctors, researchers, engineers, people payed a lot, that make the major improvements in the world, not the janitors and hobos.

Still thinking small minded. We are capable of being more than just cogs in a capitalist machine. Human beings are more than what they can output to the market. Most jobs will be obsolete in the future. The only ones that will remain will require an IQ far higher than yours.

If you knew anything about socialists it's that we despise crutches like UBI that only perpetuate the immoral and hierarchical capitalist model by giving workers just enough to make them *feel* less screwed over.

Stalinism != Socialism. Socialism just means democratic ownership of the means of production. Many anarchists are socialists, for instance.

(You)
Confronting negatively*, obviously I'm not an amerifag.

You need a helicopter ride.

Why is it that the first two paragraphs are reasonable, and then the last one is batshit insane drivel?

Mental retardation thru the roof

"This is the way it's always been"

Yes, you will achieve a lot in life. I can tell.

>tfw to intelligent to reply to a bait thread

i'll achieve even less when i start getting my free ride.

>failing to understand in a more equalized society, that mostly only the top 20% of earners would genuinely be majorly affected by the taxes imposed
>top 1% would be the most effective

>not understanding that American global hedgemony and the fundamental values that allowed for the American dream to prosper happened in response to FDR's policies

>instead harping over black people taking a small amount of your paycheck after being ghettoized and force into lower-earning positions due to invisible ceilings in the workplace

>allowing yourself to suffer without benefits, or overpaying for things such as healthcare to support a dying system fed on racism

>not having traveled abroad to socialist countries such as Canada or Sweden, in which there aren't people screaming with gashes on their legs because they're not offered healthcare, and people aren't robbing each other all the time as a means of supporting their families

>seeing marginalized groups such as blacks as inherently hostile and employing fallacies such as fundamental attribution error to judge their behavior negatively instead of understanding the political and social structures in place for years that have kept them down

>thinking you've earned your money when your mom and dad paid for your college

hahahahhahahaha

stupid republicunts

I bet you don't think TRUMP sexually harassed all those women either. :P

Left and right only work when near the center.
Fact.

Then maybe they should go buy a ticket instead of watching from the fences

I’ve worked my ass of to get to $35 and hour plus a lot of prevailing wage(I’m in construction) I’m not about to give up most of my money for some asshole who barly works and is lazy as fuck. Poor people are always looking for handouts and free shit.

Opportunity, yes
Outcome, no

Lol.. well played, sir.

Unfortunately yes. We get the real screeching autists at our meetings, penny-pinching EVERYTHING.
A shining example as to why we as people just can't have nice things.

Libertarians at heart reject government interference in our private life. I am pro-gun, pro-choice, pro-drugs, pro-hookers, pro-gambling. If I fuck myself up, I am the only one who bears consequences, the state owes me nothing. Simple as that.
Personal responsibility and freedom of choice.

We are not truly anti-tax, we are for basic sustenance of community tax; but unfortunately that's not classic theory, hence the screeching about street lights.

Here here, extremism never work because it gives the other sida fuel to fight you with

Yeah I have achieved a lot in life due to being a hard worker and getting shit done. Fuck everyone being equal. Lazy shit heads deserve nothing

It's not a fantasy. It's an inevitability.

So your telling me I can improve the general quality of living if I go on a genocidal campaign where I kill all the short people? That way, their lack of height doesn't hinder the rest of us?

crickets

>But why did...
>Why are...
>Why...
Because republicans wrote the bill. They don't care about the finances of anyone below the upper end of middle class.

Personally I think the federal government should be massively reduced in scope and expenditure and the corporate/estate/gains should be reduced even further. The taxes on the all people should also be substantially reduced, particularly the lower incomes.

as to your question, no I don't think it will be civil at all. If you think politics in 2017 are stupid, just wait for the crazy stupid ride we are in for in the next 100 years.

Seriously fuck the poor. They are leaches to the system. Throw them all in the worst state and build a wall around them.

says the wage slave.

don't worry, you still don't make enough money to be taxed significantly, and even at $35 an hour your total income will be over a million, but you'll never be a millionaire as you'll never be able to stop working and live off the interest from your investments.

Op here... i just meant i wanted free tickets to the game. . ..........

Fine, the social benefit system works for societies the size of Canada and Sweden. That's population size, not the landmass size. Compare that to individual US states. Go ahead, please.

That sounds nice, but its an ideal that we are not close to yet.

Similarly I would love a libertarian world where we could disband armies and people help each other without a large government. I am smart enough to know that isn't remotely possible for some time.

You should have been the next caller

Either you are trolling or you are proving these socialists right, regardles gtfo

And yourself? Are you typing from the comfort of your own house, from a good-tier computer, feeling smug enough to call other people wage slaves?

Where did your sustenance income come from? Let's level the playing field here.

you need socialism*
im with you cant have my legs op. fuck off and grow your own

Cogs my asshole. I am not some slave. There is thousands of jobs I can potentially get, all of them competing with each other. There is not some magical conference to make sure the wage does now raise above a certain level. This is not in the future yet, Planning for the day that basically all jobs are auto- is dumb. We have no idea how it will look. Instead changing laws to adapt what currently is happening is better not changing things for 50 years in advance. (which is super different than what we think it will be)

fucking underrated satire m8.

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You can’t have equality of outcome because people aren’t equal.
That’s why Usain Bolt would beat me in a foot race every fucking time.
Socialism as a philosophy just means bringing everyone down to the same level. Its the philosophy of the weak cunt.